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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Is here anyone that have some pictures on the Imperial (?) rear axle control strut mounted in the car?
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Location: Under the X in Texas | I wasn't actually taking this picture to show the rear axle control arms but they are plainly visible just outside the mufflers and inside the frame rails, running from ahead of the axle to a mounting on the axle. Hope this helps. Car is 1960 Imperial limousine. A '57 I owned a while back looked very much the same if not identical.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Great thanks' a lot! Thanks to that picture I can understand that the brackets where welded to the frame on the Imperials. Is the axle shaft tube bracket also welded then?
Now, I'm still confused but on a higher level  To what belongs the BOLTED ON Rear axle control strut in the spare part manual belong then? Was it a Chrysler option or what?
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Location: Colo Spgs | Sevn
The Bracket that is attached to the Rear Axle Tube for The Imperial Division from the 1957 to the
end of every 1966 car is Welded On.
Contact "PG" in Sweden and ask him if he has one.
Change the Backing Plates/Brakes of the Imperial Rear Axle to the Chrysler Division Unit
also a thought.
Rodger & Gabby
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Location: Netherlands | wizard - 2011-05-26 11:02 AM
Is the axle shaft tube bracket also welded then?
Yes.
I've got a rear-axle of a '64 or 5 Imperial which has these brackets welded onto the housing.
Can take some pics if you want this weekend.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Cool Herman, thanks'!!!!! |
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Location: Netherlands | Just found these pics of a '62 Imperial.
You can make out the bracket on the axle here...
http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Exhaust/62Exhaust/1962ImperialEx...
http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Exhaust/62Exhaust/1962ImperialEx...
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Ahh perfect - in the last link/photo I can clearly see that the brackets consists of one welded to the frame and the other bracket is bolted to it. That explains a lot.
Now, did the struts actually helped or not? The Imperial has 6 leafs in the rear springs for a smoother ride (New Yorker 7 leafts) and I think that the struts was added for to give better roadability with the softer rear springs.
I was thinking - what if one mounts those struts on a Chrysler?
Or, is it better to use/build a Panhard strut instead? |
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Location: Netherlands | What are you trying to achieve?
Strutrods and a Panhard-bar do different things.
A (single) Panhard-bar does not follow the same direction of travel as the axle is 'supposed' to do, so it's not the ideal thing to mount on a leafspring suspension. The leafsprings already control the side-to-side movement. If that's what you want to control better, I would advice to install poly-urethane/graphite bushings.
The strutrods, as used on an Imperial, mostly prevent axle-windup during acceleration, as the pinion gear wants to 'climb' the large differential-gear. Excessive axle-windup would cause excessive U-joint angles. Perhaps the reason Imperial used these struts is because their driveshafts have those double constant velocity U joints?
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks Herman! I want to achieve an enhanced roadability with better cornering (It's actually good as it is, but I want even more). I have a set of poly-urethane bushings on my workbench already and I'll mount them when I mount the 7 blade leaf springs (one extra sturdier as no 2 just under the main leaf spring).
I think your explanation is very plausible for the control struts on the Imperial - that's what they do! Actually its a more cosmetic kind of traction bars then
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Location: Netherlands | I think you'll be very happy with the poly-bushings as they firm up the springs resistance to side-to-side movements. Be sure to liberally lube any metal to bushing contact-area otherwise they might gets noisy.
I have poly-bushings on all my cars. And with a lowered ride-height along with good shocks (I use Monroe Sensatrack 'Load-adjusters' to get some extra springrate) I can take corners sharp enough to surprise most passengers.
Only things I've never installed yet are rear-sway bars. Which will improve handling even more by countering body-roll.
I've got a rear-swaybar from a '78 Charger which I plan to modify/install one day.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Herman, do you have the front leaf spring bushings also in poly? If so, do you have a source for them, or do you make them by yourself? |
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Location: Netherlands | The bushings in the front spring-eyes are also 'poly' yes.
Just regular B-body poly bushingkits.
These kits come in 2 sizes, with 2 different front spring eye diameters. The larger one fits '60s Chryslers. Earlier years or Dodges and Plymouths might use the smaller version, but I've no experience yet with these models. You can also just turn down the bushings on a lathe to the correct size. |
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Location: Under the X in Texas | Someone have a part number for the "larger" poly bushings that should fit the '57 and into the '60s Imperials? I would like to replace the bushings in my '60 Imperial rear axle struts. Do you also have a number for these bushings in regular rubber? Thanks |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Yeah Herman - numbers and where do you buy them! |
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Location: Netherlands | For 2" spring-eyes,
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ENS-5-2106G/
For 1-1/2" spring-eyes,
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ENS-5-2105G/
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Location: bishop, ca | Sven, what I did, really to level out may car's handling, was to find some station wagon leaf springs and to stack
them onto my car's long-main leaf.
I've got 5-full leafs now (stock was 4 1/2) but four of them are from a wagon.
Its also got 2-way gas shocks installed.
Along with its optional HD torsion bars, gas shocks and HD front strut rod bushings (from Just Suspension, but,
now seen occasionally on the 'Pay, too), and, with the stiff-side-walled Diamondback radials, the car handles-corners
very nicely and flatly.
However, there IS a price to pay for that handling, and that is a harsh ride quality on any rough pavements.
On my D500, that's sort of bragging rights, but on your 59 Windsor vert I don't know if I'd want to have that sort of
ride quality.
On the plus side, tho, I can carry passengers in the back seat, and the suspension doesn't even (hardly-) react to that extra
weight its carrying.
If you've ever pushed down on a 57-58 300's fin, you'll know what/how my car's rear end responds-like, now.
Plusses/minuses.....
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Neil, the Saratogas has 6 leafs as standard and the New Yorkers has 7, at least the '60-'61 cars. Mine will be 6+one sturdier. Remember that there was a price difference between Dodge and Chrysler - this is one of the reasons.
I think you had too much of the saturday juice - Joakim owns the '59 Windsor (he has also added one leaf by the way) vert. My car is the '60 Saratoga.................... |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks' Herman! I'll check that out.... |
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Location: bishop, ca | ehhhh; I took a guess...wrong!
But, still; the fact remains: stiffening up ANYONE's rear ends (think Viagra/Cialis---I've heard, anyway!) has its
consequences!
If your car has a lower half-leaf on it, you can buy a (station wagon's) short full-leaf (extends across both sides
of the axle) and install that guy; you'll probably be happy with that extra measure of support.
W's IMP, above here, has a full-length lower leaf on it.
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Rear axle control strut? Pictures?
