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daytonajim
Posted 2012-02-17 2:17 PM (#308250)
Subject: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Napa, California		Picked up a set of Long Rams at Turlock Swap Meet last month. As usual no linkage. I need to know the length of the long piece that goes to the carbs, not the short piece that attaches to the center pivot (bell crank). Any help? Thanks Jim
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alumcanTandThd
Posted 2012-02-17 10:34 PM (#308321 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia !		Hells Bells! There is someone on here re-poppin' the linkage,,,,,,,. Wasn't too long ago, I remember seeing the post
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61forfun
Posted 2012-02-18 8:49 PM (#308425 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info



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daytonajim
Posted 2012-02-19 1:07 PM (#308508 - in reply to #308425)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Napa, California		Thanks for the eBay tip. Good looking linkage but looks repop to me. Nothing wrong with that, thats what I want to do. But I want to copy some original linkage. Anybody got some rods I could "RENT"? I have the bell crank but need the rods from the carbs to the bell crank and the rod from the firewall to the bell crank. I would gladly send a large return deposit. I did a search of the site but did'nt find any repop linkage. Jim
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chrysler300c
Posted 2012-02-20 1:29 AM (#308601 - in reply to #308508)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: Twin Falls, Idaho		The firewall bellcrank is also different than a non-ram car.

George
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finsruskw
Posted 2012-02-20 7:51 AM (#308619 - in reply to #308601)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Eastern Iowa		George,

I think the only real difference is a slight twist
in the arm to point the rod towards the center of the engine
where it connects to the belcrank.
I know it's a real pain to get big fingers in there!!

By the way, I found out from Gil recently my green C was sold new in Omaha, NE

Dave S
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alumcanTandThd
Posted 2012-02-20 8:57 AM (#308622 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia !		Dave/George Is there anyway one of you guys could post a picture(s) 'side-by-side' showing the differnce(s)? Please?
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sonoramicconvert
Posted 2012-02-20 10:36 AM (#308637 - in reply to #308508)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info


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daytonajim - 2012-02-19 12:07 PM

Thanks for the eBay tip. Good looking linkage but looks repop to me. Nothing wrong with that, thats what I want to do. But I want to copy some original linkage. Anybody got some rods I could "RENT"? I have the bell crank but need the rods from the carbs to the bell crank and the rod from the firewall to the bell crank. I would gladly send a large return deposit. I did a search of the site but did'nt find any repop linkage. Jim


I used my original set to copy the slides and the bends of the rods and also the length. when they are side by side the only difference you can see is that the "bolt" that holds the slide, is a welded 1/4" hex bolt. and the original has a rounded head that was fused... not mig welded. when on the engine it is not visible or noticeable. these parts are black plated.



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daytonajim
Posted 2012-02-20 11:53 AM (#308650 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Napa, California		I just put a bid in on the linkage. Thanks all.
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60 dart
Posted 2012-02-20 4:40 PM (#308727 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		i'd like to see a clear photo of the fw. bell crank , with demensions , pretty please .-----------------------------------------------------------------------later
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finsruskw
Posted 2012-02-20 6:55 PM (#308770 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Eastern Iowa		Here Ya go, Chuck!
Hope these will be of some help to Ya.
Looks like they are made out of 1/8" flat stock.
The one w/the 180 degree bend is 1/8x3/4" and the other is 1/8x5/8"
Note the flat spot on the 180 deg pc to hold the square nut captive.
The oval hole/slot in the very top piece is the index hole for initial adjustmentl
It will line up w/the hole in the ram with a piece of rod while you set the
throttle/acc pedal angle at 114 degrees from the flat of the floor.
That is the 1st step in setting it all up.



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60 dart
Posted 2012-02-20 11:57 PM (#308843 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		absolutely great dave , thank you , but i was really meaning the the one one the firewall . i know it take a lot of your time but could you post the firewall one , if you have it --------------------------------------------later
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BigBlockMopar
Posted 2012-02-21 5:39 AM (#308859 - in reply to #308601)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info



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chrysler300c - 2012-02-20 1:29 AM

The firewall bellcrank is also different than a non-ram car.

George



I found out about that when I installed longrams on my '60NY.
Had to extend the original firewall mechanism a bit to the center of the car. I welded a 3/8" tube with a piece of flatstock attached to it.
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finsruskw
Posted 2012-02-21 7:34 AM (#308863 - in reply to #308859)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Eastern Iowa		Chuck,
these are from an extra tube that I have, the only one that
was w/the car when I got it back in the 70's.

The firewall piece is on the car. I don't know if I could get a good enough
picture of it with everything all together to do you much good.

Oh well, at least folks can see what the ram end liiks like.

Dave S.
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60 dart
Posted 2012-02-21 12:47 PM (#308901 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		thanks , fins , if you don't have an easily photographed one layin around it's ok .them's some good shots you took up above . i got some 64 chry. linkage layin around that i might use to fab one up . pretty much from what i've seen or remember the only real diff from the regular linkage is the length of the arm before it turns up to the linkage end ............................... i can remember a friends dad had a 60 plymouth with ram manifold around 1980 . it sucked so much fuel his dad JUNKED the whole RUNNING car . that was back when you could buy one of these cars , running , drivable , for less than they now bring as junk money -------------------------------------------------------later
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daytonajim
Posted 2012-03-07 11:56 AM (#311130 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Napa, California		Just got the long ram linkage from Sonoramicconvert. Nice piece of work! Thanks
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alumcanTandThd
Posted 2012-03-09 11:47 PM (#311525 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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sonoramicconvert
Posted 2012-03-10 8:05 PM (#311600 - in reply to #311525)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info


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i measure 3.5" wide on the standard bracket and 10" wide on the long ram bracket the rod from the firewall to the bellcrank is 12" when retracted.



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61forfun
Posted 2012-03-10 11:41 PM (#311624 - in reply to #311600)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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alumcanTandThd
Posted 2012-03-11 3:39 PM (#311683 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia !		Ohhhh, thankie, thankie, thankie! EXCELLENT help!
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60 dart
Posted 2012-03-12 12:13 AM (#311751 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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alumcanTandThd
Posted 2012-03-12 5:54 AM (#311766 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia !		Well there Wuckey. Looks like you and I will either hafta' 'make' one of those boogers, or go find one! Whaddyatink?
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-03-12 6:43 AM (#311769 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Netherlands		Here you go...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-61-Chrysler-300s-others-w-Ram-Maniflod...
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alumcanTandThd
Posted 2012-03-12 10:42 AM (#311791 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia !		THANKS there Eric! OK, what's up? The ebay pic/belcrank/linkage, doesn't look like "Sono's" pictures,,,,,,,,,,,?
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60 dart
Posted 2012-03-12 12:21 PM (#311803 - in reply to #308250)
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		don't look too difficult to fab up . neither one looks like the only one i've seen . the one i did see is like the regular factory one , the right side was a bend instead of a long bracket , long shaft , with the arm in the middle . now i'm wondering just how many varieties were made and what was correct to what . the ebay one , what holds the shaft in place on the right side ? --------------------------------------------------------------later

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finsruskw
Posted 2012-03-12 12:46 PM (#311808 - in reply to #311803)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Eastern Iowa		On the right side there is a seperate little bracket that uses one of the bell housing bolts for securement.
It has a slot with a nylon bushing where the far end of the bellcrank rod rides and pivots.
Also incorporated in this assly is a slot in wich you place a rod through the whole affair that secures the bellcrank
in the proper position for initial acc pedal angle, linkage set up and adjustment.

Dave S.

Edited by finsruskw 2012-03-12 1:13 PM
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61forfun
Posted 2012-03-12 11:24 PM (#311866 - in reply to #311769)
Subject: Re: Long Ram Linkage Info



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Windsor Wendy - 2012-03-12 3:43 AM

Here you go...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-61-Chrysler-300s-others-w-Ram-Maniflod...

This setup on ebay looks exactly like the one I took off a 61' non-ram New Yorker. I do not think this one is a correct example
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61forfun
Posted 2012-03-13 12:13 AM (#311870 - in reply to #308250)
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Location: Vancouver, Washington		here is a shot out of the issue #147 out of the Service Reference book MTSC. Page 10, shows the proper adjustment of firewall mouted linkage on ram car



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60 dart
Posted 2012-03-13 12:35 AM (#311873 - in reply to #308250)
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		ya buddy , the other one i've seen just has a bend up on the right side instead of a flat arm . the arm i have off a 64 linkage , if used will look real similar to that on . so far i'm understanding that 3 different units were built for the rams . at least in my brain ---------------- -------------------------------------------later
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-03-13 4:12 AM (#311878 - in reply to #311866)
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Windsor Wendy - 2012-03-12 3:43 AM

Here you go...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-61-Chrysler-300s-others-w-Ram-Maniflod...

This setup on ebay looks exactly like the one I took off a 61' non-ram New Yorker. I do not think this one is a correct example


Very possible but unit does look slightly different from what we have on our '61 Windsor...
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finsruskw
Posted 2012-03-13 7:26 AM (#311885 - in reply to #308250)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info


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Location: Eastern Iowa		I think the 2nd nd 3rd pic's in Sono's reply are of a homeade setup.
It looks pretty crude to me.
I'll get the F out in the sun today and see if I can get some good pic's.

Dave S.
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sonoramicconvert
Posted 2012-03-13 5:06 PM (#311949 - in reply to #311885)
Subject: RE: Long Ram Linkage Info


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this should be the correct sonoramic bracket as the one I had pictured earlier was definatley welded, but the bell crank was not altered. also this is a bracket for the end of the rod to hook into.



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finsruskw
Posted 2012-03-13 7:48 PM (#311967 - in reply to #308250)
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Location: Eastern Iowa		Right on!!
That looks more like it!!

DS
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