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Location: Sweden | Hi!
I'm trying to understand the data from the body number of my Chrysler Windsor 1957 (4 door, pillar),
I've read this post http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40655 but my body number plate does not look like that, does anyone have an explanation to this?
some info from this site http://www.ch300imp.com/dataplat_us.htm seams to be relevant, but still to much is unclear to me.
here's my data:
SG: 5
M3: 1
M4: 2
SO: 712
NO: 8100
MODEL: C751
BT: 1145
PT: HCC
TR: 053
(attaching a picture of the body number plate too, and of course a picture of my ride)
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Location: Under the X in Texas | I'm thinking that your car was built in the Los Angeles assembly plant - and that it therefore carries this unusual (to me) tag. Maybe someone else can say if this is similar to the '57 Dodge tag out of the LA plant? "WCD-LA" What does that mean... someone? |
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Location: bishop, ca | The P/T plate is similar to the LA-built Dodge's P/T plates, in the same way that the "Romance" languages carry
the same basic sentence structure, as compared to the Germanic sentence structure.
I could tell you how to interpret the above P/T plate, but I can't tell you what it is saying.
Just as there are common roots in the Romance languages, this P/T plate shows a "5" under "SG(Solex Glass)"
which would confirm all-tinted glass, but not a shaded-and-tinted windshield.....in Dodges, and, since we
have a photo of THIS subject car:..... in Chryslers, too.
The M-3 & M-4 codes would be way-different from the Dodge codes, of course.
"WCD" I always thought meant West Coast Division---L.A.
The LA assembly plant's cars feature those back-less screw heads on their P/T plates.
Also, in typical "LA-style", there was some small strip of masking tape that was applied across the
middle of the P/T plates, so that the cars' finish paint is not allowed to cover the entirety of the
P/T plates; 100% of the LA-built Dodges have this feature on their P/T's.
I'd like to know how much trouble it was, to remove the right-side back-less screw....just scrolled to
the far right side of the pic & noticed that!
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Location: Sweden | Thank you for that info!
Regarding the removed back-less screw, it was gone when I bought the car,
There is some rust under the black paint so I guess it rusted away or something, so I put a regular screw in its place to prevent loosing the plate when driving.
good to know about SG, so 5 means tinted glass on all doors-glass and back? and 3 would mean 2 door-glass and the back, I'm I right?
I've done some reading and I've read somewhere that WCD is West Coast Division, or if I just figure that out.
There might be some traces of the masking tape you talked about, there is black stripes above and under the numbers.
But I dont know, because it has been painted over at least 2 times, you can see the (i think original) blue color on some letters
and then a lot of white and then the last layer of black.
The main reason that I try to understand the number is to figure out what the original colors is.
it says HCC, and that would be "Mist Gray - Regatta Blue - Regatta Blue" (or Velvet Blue because this is the west coast)
and the blue color is right because there is traces of it all over the car and the interior is blue and turquoise.
But where would the Mist Gray be? my guess is the roof, and blue body and blue fins.
Can you shed some light on this? |
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Location: PL / EU | First letter indicates upper color, second letter indicates lower color, third letter indicates insert color
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Location: Sweden | Thank you for that, but I'm not too familiar with this
Is it how I think: (upper, lower and insert) is (roof, body and fins)?
anyone got the info of these:
SO: 712
NO: 8100
BT: 1145
TR: 053
d500neil - 2012-12-15 2:44 AM
I could tell you how to interpret the above P/T plate, but I can't tell you what it is saying.
Please tell me how to interpret at least and I might be able to go from there |
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, it appears that your car is of relatively late production (that's good, for quality of construction); built o.o.a. 7/12/57
BT describes the Body/style of your car, and TR confirms its interior colors.
Not sure about the 8,100 number.
For my Dodge "Solex" codes, I've got a station wagon with a non-shaded windshield coded in a "3".
A "7" would confirm all tinted, with a shaded-windshield; you've got a "5", there...non-shaded windshield.
BTW, Dan; have you checked up/behind the glove box, and under the floor coverings, to see if the car's
Broadcast Sheet(s) might still be located/left there?
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Location: PL / EU | I think it means:
MODEL: C751 - indicates Windsor series, I think so C is Chrysler
BT: 1145 - indicates 4-dr sedan ( 4 is lower price group, 5 is sedan )
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NO: 8100 - following car to be build that day |
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Location: Sweden | Neil:
is the date 7/12/57 when they started using dual headlights?
I've been under the floor coverings, didnt find anything, but I have not checked up/behind the glove box, will do that next time I'm at the winter storage
RDP:
Yeah, the model numbers is in the service manual:
Windsor
1955: C-67
1956: C-71
1957: C-75-1
Saratoga
1955: -
1956: -
1957: C-75-2
New Yorker
1955: C-68
1956: C-72
1957: C-76
Imperial
1955: C-69
1956: C-73
1957: IM-1-2-4
Crown Imperial
1955: C-70
1956: C-70
1957: -
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Location: bishop, ca | I'm no authority on Chryslers, but, I checked the 70 Years of Chrysler book, and the author didn't say anything
about when the dual headlamps were fully instituted, during the 57 model year.
This is an interesting subject (and including state-discussions regarding their non-allowance of quad lights at the
beginning of the 57 m.y.)...that deserves its own thread-discussion!
Your car, being built in the L.A. plant, was intended for sale somewhere in the Western U.S., where the quad lights were (already)
permitted.
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Location: Sweden | Now I remember, it was wikipedia I read it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Windsor#1957-1958
"For 1957, Chryler cars, including the Windsor, were restyled again. This time with taller tailfins with vertical taillights, thinner C-pillars, and a wraparound front bumper. Mid-year, dual headlights became standard.[8]"
And that is from this book "Flory, Jr., J. "Kelly" (2008). American Cars, 1946-1959 Every Model Every Year. McFarland & Company, Inc."
But where did you get the date 7/12/57 from?
Btw, this car has been rolling in Washington state before it came to Sweden.
Well well, now I got some more info from the body numbers, and the main reason was the paint-code.
But I dont think I will go for the exact original paint, gray roof, blue body and blue fins, I want it to stand out more in the crowd |
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Location: bishop, ca | The SO number is 712, which would correlate to a Scheduled build date of on or around July 12th of whatever year that would be.
The car probably was built around that date (7/12/57). but the factory's IBM build card may confirm its actual birth day.
I say 'may', because some marques' IBM's might not confirm the actual build date on them(IIRC?).
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Location: Sweden | Oh, it was the SO number!
I'm gonna put all the info gathered here in the first post if someone else looks for this info
so they wont need to read the whole thread.
to bad it was not possible "You only may edit a message within the first 999 minutes of posting."
well then I put it down here
SG = Solex Glass
3 = non-shaded windshield.
5 = all-tinted glass, but not a shaded-and-tinted windshield.
7 = all tinted, with a shaded-windshield.
M3 =
M4 =
SO = Scheduled build date (Month Day)
712 = 7/12 (July 12th)
NO = Following car to be build that day
8100 = Car number 8100
MODEL = Car model
C67 = Windsor 1955
C71 = Windsor 1956
C751 = Windsor 1957
C752 Saratoga 1957
C68 = New Yorker 1955
C72 = New Yorker 1956
C76 = New Yorker 1957
C69 = Imperial 1955
C73 = Imperial 1956
C70 = Crown Imperial 1955 or 1956
BT = Describes the Body/style
1145 = indicates 4-dr sedan ( 4 is lower price group, 5 is sedan )
PT = Paint (First letter indicates upper color, second letter indicates lower color, third letter indicates insert color)
HCC = Mist Grey, Regatta Blue, Regatta blue (or Velvet blue as it apparently was called on the west-cost)
All colors-codes can be found on the color chart for 1957 Chrysler (search on google and you will find it "color code chart "1957 chrysler"") Edit: added my chart I scanned a while back
TR = Interior colors
053 = Blue and Turquosie (?)
Thank you guys and merry christmas!
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