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ToMopar
Posted 2012-12-28 7:31 AM (#352861)
Subject: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Hello Everybody,

I like to introduce me and my FL car here under like-minded people.
I bought it as a broken restauration, and I hope I could bring the car to its former glory.
Hope you support me a bit.

At the moment I sort out all the parts and bits to find out what is missing or wrong.

Tom




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FIN ME
Posted 2012-12-28 8:05 AM (#352864 - in reply to #352861)
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Welcome, Tom!

Very cool DeSoto you have there!

Please keep posting photos!

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earleebob
Posted 2012-12-28 8:25 AM (#352867 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: RE: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Hey Tom we finally get to see your car. No wonder you had a keen interest in MY 57 Flite. That wagon looks to have great potential. you are certainly in the right place to ask for FL help!!
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sidesho_bob1961
Posted 2012-12-28 8:59 AM (#352873 - in reply to #352861)
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I love it!!! I love wagons. It is looking awesome....
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Posted 2012-12-28 9:18 AM (#352877 - in reply to #352861)
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WOW!! Very cool grocery getter!!
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Posted 2012-12-28 11:16 AM (#352883 - in reply to #352877)
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Posted 2012-12-28 3:56 PM (#352916 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2012-12-28 5:03 PM (#352922 - in reply to #352861)
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As is, that baby is SHARP!!! Can't wait to see how she comes along!
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Posted 2012-12-28 5:09 PM (#352925 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2012-12-29 7:47 AM (#352981 - in reply to #352861)
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Tom, your car is looking great, as I knew it would. Wagon parts are tough to find, but I'll help in any way I can. Nice to have met you, too!
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horace
Posted 2012-12-29 3:30 PM (#353023 - in reply to #352861)
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I see you also have a CAR W/ STRIPES gOOD CAR fopr wide whites
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Posted 2012-12-29 6:30 PM (#353044 - in reply to #352861)
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Welcome, Tom.

Since the front finish parts may not yet be installed, is the lower front body panel painted in body color, or is it
painted in semi-gloss black-out finish, like the radiator core support is?


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Posted 2012-12-29 8:06 PM (#353061 - in reply to #353044)
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Very nice wagon, Tom, love everything about it!

Welcome to the site, Marty
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oldwood
Posted 2012-12-29 9:53 PM (#353072 - in reply to #352861)
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I've been off line for 5 days with bad weather here in Arkansas and up pops this thread. I love wagons. I must since I have 6. We like pictures!!!
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Posted 2012-12-30 7:00 AM (#353113 - in reply to #352861)
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Wow Tom , i see now your thread !! very nice !! how work proceeds?
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ToMopar
Posted 2012-12-30 3:27 PM (#353166 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: Re: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Thanks everybody for supporting. Some of you, I know in person, some not, but its good to have a platform like FL.net to share the hobby

@ Roberto, yes keen interest to your Flite

@ Kent & Peter, I will email you soon to order some parts I need

@ Ed, have to study your homepage a while, to have the correctness on project

@ horace, yes the other striped car could produce some smoke

@ Nick, is it's painted in semi-gloss black-out finish, I know it's wrong

@ Raffaele, I can not find a proper beginning
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-12-31 7:20 AM (#353245 - in reply to #353044)
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d500neil - 2012-12-30 3:30 PM

Welcome, Tom.

Since the front finish parts may not yet be installed, is the lower front body panel painted in body color, or is it
painted in semi-gloss black-out finish, like the radiator core support is?


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" .. lower front body panel .. " ????

There is an elongated valance (air duct) that goes side-to-side not shown in these pix that should be P&A Black.
However, as it is largely hidden from view once the bumper is in place, I would hesitate to call it a "body panel".

Other than that piece, all that is really missing from the nose is the bumper and inserts. The upper insert on 57's
was Argent, while the lower is a silver anodized aluminum sheet punched out to create a "mesh" of vertical/horizontal
open squares about 1/2" each with a "bar" between of about 5/16".
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Mopar1
Posted 2012-12-31 8:30 AM (#353253 - in reply to #353245)
Subject: Re: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Nice wagon, see you have a '68 Charger also! :-)
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-01-03 12:48 PM (#353734 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: Re: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Some question's about front section

In Parts calalogue Plate 13-7 (Fireflite/Firedome) are only 6 brakets of 13-64-32 but I have 8 of them, like on Plate 13-8 (Firesweep) ??
The both reinforcement's 7-16-46 like on plate 13-7 is missing, but on parts catalogue I couldn't find too for 1957
And what color should be the closure 13-64-26 & screen 7-16-11 of plate 13-7

is the split in my closure (Picture 2020.jpg) from OEM or is it broken





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57desoto
Posted 2013-01-04 7:31 AM (#353831 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: Re: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Just re-assemble things exactly as they WERE assembled, Tom, and you'll be fine, whether your car had 6 or 8 of those brackets. My Firedome didn't have the mesh reinforcement, 7-16-46 but my Fireflite did. I don't remember on the Adventurer, but it's been my experience that despite the parts catalog, and from what I've seen, SOME cars had the reinforcement and some didn't. The "crack" in that closure panel is most interesting, and I honestly don't know if it's really a break or from the factory, but each of my 3 cars has that exact same split. I assume, then, that it's factory, but I could be wrong. It's a small thing, no one will notice it, and I'd leave it there. From Doc's note above, " The upper insert on 57's was Argent, while the lower is a silver anodized aluminum sheet..." Paint the closure panel 13-64-26 argent silver, and if the anodized screen 7-16-11 can't be cleaned up on its own, I guess you'd have to paint it silver, too.
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-02-15 7:00 AM (#360099 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: RE: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Hello together, who can tell me whether this petrol - tank is original, or aftermarked?



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Posted 2013-02-15 9:34 AM (#360111 - in reply to #352861)
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My opinion is it is OEM but I could be wrong. Weirton was a big steel maker back then so that stamp is probably just their mill stamp for the steel itself and not a reflection of who actually made the tank.

Apparently, at one time, actual products like cars and steel and glass were made in the USA. Luckily, we were able to tear down those smelly factories and replace them with nail salons, insurance agencies, and ice cream parlors. If anyone dares to think that ANY country on Earth has better nail care options than the good 'ol USA I'll fight them to the death. No, actually I'll just sue them and splash my decaf vanilla light latte in their face then unfriend them on Facebook.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISG_Weirton_Steel

http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/570754/Steel...

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ToMopar
Posted 2013-03-17 9:16 AM (#365094 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: Re: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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I think to swap my rear axle into a "modern" mopar one. The reason is the very bad supply of spare parts, and the little 7" parking brake, which is not sufficient in an emergency case with the high volume of traffic.
Has anyone had made such a conversion, or has the dimensions of the 57 OEM DeSoto rear axle. I need the Dimension A, B and C of the 57 OEM rear axle


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PlymouthFury
Posted 2013-03-17 9:21 AM (#365098 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice wagon! I know that a 63 Chrysler 300 rearend bolts right up to a 57 Plymouth. It has the cable emergency brakes to the drums.
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Posted 2013-03-17 10:45 AM (#365111 - in reply to #360111)
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GregCon - 2013-02-15 9:34 AM

If anyone dares to think that ANY country on Earth has better nail care options than the good 'ol USA I'll fight them to the death. No, actually I'll just sue them and splash my decaf vanilla light latte in their face then unfriend them on Facebook.




Haha!! The wife heard me laughing out loud in the living room, as I read this!


Super nice wagon, by the way!
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-03-26 11:55 AM (#366402 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: Re: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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Another possibility would be instead of the whole rear axle only pull out the shaft's, and change the anchor plate & shaft's.
But I don't have any idea, if I could swap the shaft, because of length, diameter and amount/shape of spline. And no idea, if the later anchor plate fit's on the OEM bolt circle.

The advantage of this conversion would be a "real" parking/emergency brake, not like the OEM toy, and no more anger with the OEM brake drum (puller). In case I solve it...


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JT Vincent
Posted 2013-03-26 2:38 PM (#366444 - in reply to #352861)
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I just discovered this thread. Very cool stuff. The screen on my '57 Sweep is gold. I never realized that was wrong.
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JT Vincent
Posted 2013-03-26 2:44 PM (#366445 - in reply to #352861)
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Also, that car looks like a resto someone stopped. It looks way more together than not. The fun part is putting the thing back together.
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-03-26 3:08 PM (#366450 - in reply to #352861)
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Yes, someone stopped. At the moment it's more apart, than on the first pictures. And I try do do my best, to finish it (with some modification's)
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2Jay
Posted 2013-03-27 11:40 PM (#366725 - in reply to #352861)
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Love the wagon! I also really like the looks of your shop, complete with the Scat Pack flag and 68 Charger - very cool.
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60 Finatic
Posted 2013-03-29 12:55 PM (#366938 - in reply to #352861)
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Is this the car Tim Bowers was working on? If so, know that his work is 'stellar'....
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-03-29 1:00 PM (#366941 - in reply to #352861)
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No, this car is not the Explorer from stellarrestorations, and Tim didn't work on it.
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-07-05 3:08 AM (#384348 - in reply to #352861)
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We found on left side the frame number 1675805 and the date of manufacture 3/20/57
Thats sensational after 57 years behind undercoatspray.
But wonder because couldn't find this number in the parts catalogue.





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The Baron
Posted 2013-07-05 5:23 AM (#384354 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice Goon Mate, It is good to see a long roof getting love to, not just the 2 doors.
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Posted 2013-07-05 2:00 PM (#384407 - in reply to #365094)
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I know that the '70-'74 E-body rear is a direct bolt in for my '57 Chrysler. I would expect your wagon to be the same. However, you will need at least 11" brakes on it to stop a big wagon sufficiently. Don't even attempt to use the more common 10.5" drums on it. It would probably be better to upgrade to rear discs. My '70 Satellite wagon has an 8 3/4 with 11" drum brakes and it works well most of the time. But when I have it fully loaded with 7 people and camping gear, it would definitely be better to have more stopping power there. If you upgrade your original axle with disc brakes, would that solve all of your complaints? I believe that a disc conversion would give you a parking brake and eliminate the headache of having to remove the axles on a regular basis.
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-11-11 5:21 PM (#409990 - in reply to #352861)
Subject: Re: 57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon



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so far so good, body is back on the frame, next step is painting the firewall





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Posted 2013-11-11 5:52 PM (#410000 - in reply to #360099)
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ToMopar - 2013-02-15 4:00 AM

Hello together, who can tell me whether this petrol - tank is original, or aftermarked?


That is a correct factory tank for Mopar '57-'59 wagons. It holds 22 U.S. gallons.

K.
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Posted 2013-11-11 9:20 PM (#410053 - in reply to #352861)
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could you post a pic of your 68 Charger?...looks like a very nice car
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Posted 2013-11-12 6:52 AM (#410107 - in reply to #352861)
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Tom, you're doing a GREAT job on your car!!!
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FIN ME
Posted 2013-11-12 7:57 AM (#410115 - in reply to #352861)
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Very tidy work, Tom!

Great progress!

Thank you for the latest pic's!


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Posted 2013-11-12 12:31 PM (#410179 - in reply to #352861)
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Very nice work. Great
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Posted 2014-01-02 2:02 PM (#419822 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice wagon Tom!!! Let's see if we can arrange something as soon as our wagons are back on the road as we are not too far away from each other! ;-)
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ToMopar
Posted 2014-02-02 5:53 PM (#425544 - in reply to #352861)
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The firewall is finished





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oldwood
Posted 2014-02-02 6:21 PM (#425546 - in reply to #425544)
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Now all ya need is a bunch of CHILLDRUNS as they say down in the hood here in the south. Great restoration.
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Posted 2014-02-09 3:39 PM (#426554 - in reply to #352861)
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Beautiful job and great detailing!
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ToMopar
Posted 2014-11-03 6:33 AM (#460871 - in reply to #352861)
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After the summer the project still going on



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Posted 2014-11-03 9:46 AM (#460881 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice work!! '58 Chrysler wheelcovers?
How will you replicate the rubber coverings in the rear compartment? Nothing is available as a good reproduction, afaik.
That's a conundrum that I faced with my '57 Sport Suburban, but I ended up selling it before I had to deal with it.
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Posted 2014-11-04 2:47 PM (#460999 - in reply to #352861)
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Wow!
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Posted 2014-11-10 1:41 PM (#461472 - in reply to #352861)
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Very nice job done!



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Posted 2014-11-10 3:18 PM (#461482 - in reply to #461472)
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Very great job !!
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