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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-10 10:24 PM (#374602 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Wiz, we have great craftsmanship here, guys work almost with out proper tooling. those Teflon joints are designed for race cars applications when regular ball joints are not going to last. I convinced to this busy guy to do the job on my car because the rarity of it.




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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-12 3:39 PM (#374844 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		no much going today, weather sucks I'm ready to work on the axle.
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-16 12:42 AM (#375449 - in reply to #369578)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-16 12:45 AM (#375450 - in reply to #369578)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-16 1:04 AM (#375451 - in reply to #369578)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-16 7:00 PM (#375589 - in reply to #369578)
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d500neil
Posted 2013-05-16 7:23 PM (#375591 - in reply to #375589)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-16 8:02 PM (#375596 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		yes it is, I have another thread on trans section with questions about this rare sample.
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ttotired
Posted 2013-05-16 8:03 PM (#375598 - in reply to #369578)
Subject: Re: 1957 imperial frame off restoration



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Putting the overun clutch together was a challenge without the special tool, but did it by useing 10 3/16 screws to hold the rollers back

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60 dart
Posted 2013-05-17 12:12 AM (#375635 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		late 57 -58 cast iron torqueflites had 5 clutch plates , 10 plate total

59 and later had 4 clutch plates , 8 plate total


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ttotired
Posted 2013-05-17 6:41 AM (#375655 - in reply to #369578)
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5 in the front 4 in the rear

Does that meen that the front clutch assembly may have been changed?

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60 dart
Posted 2013-05-17 1:14 PM (#375706 - in reply to #369578)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-19 3:08 PM (#376028 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		slow advance, I finished the valve body and the clutch packs, (specially thanks for Phil for the data and pics) and of course to all members who always put some input.
weather is horrible, I can't paint the housing but I'm going to make an small oven to cook the epoxi paint, I can't wait no longer for the weather.
Last night I changed all the bushings, which was and accomplishment in itself, seems like a few rebuilders do that, is noticeable the reduction of the side play on the components, even that the bushing looks fine there is a considerable wear on them.




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Phil_the_frenchie
Posted 2013-05-19 6:28 PM (#376056 - in reply to #375591)
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Five clutch packs; heavy duty trannie.


All '57-59 Imperial had the five clutches assembly in rear clutch. Also NewYorker (and 300 !!). Front clutch has four discs.

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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-22 12:07 AM (#376434 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		slow advance today, weather still horrible.
My heater went down just a bit after I started, but at least I cleaned the trannie to perfection, I used a acid that converts rust in a brownish powder and grease in a white one. The job is completed by a wire brush, and the trannie is back to new again.
Tomorrow is paint day, no matter what. I need to get my heater back to life.






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Posted 2013-05-22 2:33 AM (#376439 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Perth Australia		Fun job isnt it

Why did they have to put so many little corners in the case

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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-25 9:28 PM (#377143 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Finally weather improved, and my heater is running.

Finished the housing with 4 layers of epoxy paint, but i used my own formula to make the cast iron color, since this particular tone is not available, came out good i guess.
I assembled the 1-2-3 units in to it and valves, i painted the aluminum pieces with four epoxy layers plus 2 of clear coat. Definitely this is an over restored trannie but look good.
If everything is good tomorrow the transmission will be done.



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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-25 9:41 PM (#377144 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Warning: the parking brake dust cover is a grease-dirt-oil nightmare to clean, just near the parking cable support. Took me a long time to get it done properly.
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Posted 2013-05-25 10:54 PM (#377153 - in reply to #377144)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-26 12:54 AM (#377162 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Thanks!

yes 2 weeks of rain! Very humid and cold! Winter is setting in...
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Posted 2013-05-26 7:03 AM (#377182 - in reply to #369578)
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Your silver is better looking than mine, but I just used aluminium engine enamel

Nice job

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hemidenis
Posted 2013-05-27 11:18 PM (#377439 - in reply to #369578)
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Good advance today, the T-flite is almost done. I need to restore the pan, assemble the parking brake and the torque converter and is done..... After 2 decades the engine and the trannie they are about to be bolted together again.





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Posted 2013-05-28 3:40 AM (#377460 - in reply to #377439)
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Posted 2013-05-28 3:21 PM (#377559 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: North Australia		No big deal, but I had to remove the park brake to remove and install the engine and gearbox from my 60. only just enough room to get the assembly out and back in! This was with the body on the chassis, and the box/torsion bar crossmember also installed.

Steve.
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Posted 2013-06-01 5:43 AM (#378288 - in reply to #369578)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-06-01 9:22 PM (#378454 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Thanks guys!
Lot of advance in the last few days the trans is done, with oil filter and pan installed. I also painted the trans adapters. A before and after pictures.



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Posted 2013-06-01 9:26 PM (#378457 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Thompson time.....




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Posted 2013-06-01 9:37 PM (#378459 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		I would just like to say that this is a perfect example of over engineering. This is basically a piece that could be in the SR-71, not in a car :). I had to build the special tooling required for the re assembly it, I also resurface the pumps, because they were very scratched. This nightmare is a double rotor pump, with so many thing that can go wrong in it. Phil can tell us a bit more about it, remember when his unit looked up.
No wonder why this aluminum nightmare was replaced a few years later.

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Posted 2013-06-01 9:42 PM (#378463 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		New bearing and home made gaskets, the bushing on the back is in perfect shape.



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Posted 2013-06-01 9:48 PM (#378466 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		This is the final result, I'm pretty sure is the right color combo, at least is the one showing in the shops manuals. Sad Chrysler never added a colorful decal on it.





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Posted 2013-06-01 9:58 PM (#378468 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Trans adapter and torque converter housing. During blasting and the end result.



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hemidenis
Posted 2013-06-01 10:41 PM (#378473 - in reply to #369578)
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Phil_the_frenchie
Posted 2013-06-04 5:18 PM (#378978 - in reply to #378459)
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hemidenis - 2013-06-02 3:37 AM

Phil can tell us a bit more about it, remember when his unit looked up.

Ah, i remember this day, it was in july 2006 when i slow down to leave the highway !!! Suddenly no power assist, a lot of smoke from under the hood and this odor of burnt rubber !!! The rotor locked in the bore because there was a very tiny piece of metal and ruined the pump !!! Fortunately i had a spare but i need a trailer, i coudn't go home (40 miles) without belts (i had spare belts but i can't use them) which drive also the water pump.
Here is the thread http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11168&...

Since that i bought another spare unit !!!!


And yes you need a "special tool" to install the small tubes ... As i didn't have it (it was a long time ago, 1995 maybe), i used a lot of .... flat washers which gave me the correct height for each tube. Each tube needs different height, so 5, 8, 10 washers, etc ... The only requirement is that the washer must have just a smaller diameter than the tube bore !


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d500neil
Posted 2013-06-04 7:41 PM (#379004 - in reply to #378978)
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Location: bishop, ca		Phil shows a decal on his unit.

Not hijacking your thread, but the 57's have the Saginaw P/S pump; are there any obvious advantages of the Thompson guy
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Posted 2013-06-04 8:35 PM (#379016 - in reply to #379004)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-06-05 2:05 AM (#379055 - in reply to #369578)
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Posted 2013-06-05 4:44 PM (#379197 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Pau, S-W France		About the decal, it was in the set i bought (from Gary Goers i think) and i can't see any other location because it's a warning message so must be closer to the filling hole. About pump i always see Thomson on Imperial and Chrysler. And Vickers on other '57 mopar.
My '57 manual says:
pump 1733 496 (Thomson) : C75, C76 ,IMP
pump 1672 697: P30, D64, D72
pump 1733 496: D67 Can. built
pump 1672 610; D66 /70 /71, D67 (US), S27
pump (Vickers) 1826 158 : D66 /70 /71, D67 (US), S 25 / 26 / 27
pump 1730892 : S 25/ 26
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-06-09 11:26 PM (#380003 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		I spent all week working in my other project, this week will be time of the steering box, rear end and brake lines.
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Posted 2013-06-10 12:57 AM (#380009 - in reply to #380003)
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You didn't happen to lead a Navy Seal team on a small mission in Pakistan about 2 years ago,
did you ? This kind of precision work in a mess of dirt and chaos is very impressive. Please
allow me to tap on your shoulder when I decide to dive in to some of these jobs I usually have
others do.
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Posted 2013-06-10 1:59 AM (#380020 - in reply to #380009)
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Posted 2013-06-10 3:16 AM (#380028 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		I always enjoy read your post guys! Is always a pleasure to see when others members appreciate my hard work and push me to make the quality even better!
Doc, I trustfully admire your guts to be in the sandbox for this long. Hopping that my work make your day a bit better !!
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Posted 2013-06-10 4:50 AM (#380033 - in reply to #380028)
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so the days are real L O N G !
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Posted 2013-06-11 11:38 PM (#380399 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		I just finished all the brake lanes, I know that someone make the comment about copper lines, but is the only think I could find. I used AC type lines in which walls are thicker than regulars. I also re-use the springs shields.

Doc, I'm working in a surprise for you, I hope it will be completed over the weekend.
Disabled? It's a problem with your thumbs? I heard that 50 cal is really soft to push, I don't see any problem there



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Posted 2013-06-12 12:49 AM (#380414 - in reply to #380399)
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So, ... were your brake lines rusted away ? I have only needed to replace the VERY occasional
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Posted 2013-06-12 6:03 AM (#380426 - in reply to #369578)
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-06-12 7:12 AM (#380429 - in reply to #380426)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Thanks guys!
Doc, my pipes where a bit rusted on the outside, dirty on the inside too. Maybe still good for another 56 years of service but who can tell for sure.
Biggest Problem is that both sides where smashed by the upper arm suspension (due to a missing bumper stop) making the arm squeeze the brake line against the frame. It is hard too see on the pictures the magnitude of the encounter but the spiral dented the frame!
Talking about maintenance of the front end.... Who chek that rubber bumper? Well this could happen, believe or not.




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Posted 2013-06-14 3:38 AM (#380796 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Power steering time......
All aluminum unit, it was over sprayed on black on the outside. Just the part exposed to the engine bay.



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Posted 2013-06-14 3:44 AM (#380800 - in reply to #369578)
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Location: Northen Virginia		Took 12 ton of pressure to release Pittman arm of the PS shaft.....
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-06-29 12:48 AM (#383543 - in reply to #369578)
Subject: Re: 1957 imperial frame off restoration



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Location: Northen Virginia		Slow progress due to the long bad weather, the steering is just waiting for the restoration, but in the meantime I just finished the differential carrier assy with new bearings and seal. An important side note is that the differential cups listed on Timken website for 1957 imperial is not correct. The correct number is 25522.
Tomorrow will be the time to complete the axle with differential axle and brakes.



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57desoto
Posted 2013-06-29 7:40 AM (#383558 - in reply to #369578)
Subject: Re: 1957 imperial frame off restoration



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Location: New Castle PA		Absolutely astounding work! I would never tackle those rebuilds the way you did -- you're my hero!
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