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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | I purchased my choke heat tube sock from mcmaster.com .. They are like a grainger company .. They have Everything.
Big thanks goes out to keith boonstra for the tip.
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Location: bishop, ca | And for those of you playing along, at home; was re-reading the 12/04 MoPar Action, and came across an article
therein that referenced the Malory 29014 distributor re-curve hop up kit, which contains a variety of return-
springs in it.
Researched the intraweb for the 29014 availability and came up with this page, showing various suppliers and pricing for it:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AgBpBGop9bwysIog9JTjqtis0NUE;_y...
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | the page works neil . Good tip.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | I looked up pertronix site and found my ignitor kit for my 241 hemi 6 volt pos ground .
soon as I re-coop from the hemi build I will get one for the dual point .
part number 1383P6
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | update on the 241 hemi rebuild.
all machine work is done on the 241 hemi block ... decked to square up block , line bored , .010 cyl bored ,cam bearings , freeze plugs are in .
heads are finished and assembled.. just waiting for the crank to be turned .010 on all journals and a then I can assemble it.
crank should be done this week maybe .
getting really anxious now.
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Location: Perth Australia | Have you washed and painted all the brakets and stuff yet
Nothing worse than doing the good bit, but being held up waiting for paint to dry or having to clean/buff up bolts
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | ttotired - 2013-07-30 7:04 PM
Have you washed and painted all the brakets and stuff yet
Nothing worse than doing the good bit, but being held up waiting for paint to dry or having to clean/buff up bolts
I've been cleaning parts and painting everything .. and Geeeeeeeeeeeeee there are a lot of parts .
and this has been going on for almost 3 months .
even detailed the engine compartment .
Have all my ducks in order so when the engine comes back, I ready to go.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | update on hemi 241 rebuild .
got the heads back and reassembled them .
everything Brand new !
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | up date on the 241 reground cam
It's finished and I will have it wednesday next week.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | on the oil pump shaft issue ..
I think we figured out why my oil pump shaft was longer than the new one that egge sent me for the hemi....... pk 107 ........ shaft was 4.5"
Turns out my pump that was in the hemi was changed to that earlier conversion with the sb LA 318-340 oil pump previously , that is a difference of 1/4" longer in length . We'll see when the new oil pump kit arrives from egge. PN 108 .
hope it's correct .
getting sooooo close to Block assembly time.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | oil pump issue still
pictures >>
this is the oil pump I took out of the 241 hemi minus the main drive gear rotor.
the kit that egge me , the shaft is 4.75" and the oneI took out of the hemi is 5"
somone appearently changed something here ..
egge says that my 5" main gear is from a early 318-340...
that does not make any sense either beacuse the early style 340 pumps have a shaft that goes all the way down to the pump and plugs in there.. mine has the main shaft , then an intermediate shaft to meet it.
I think I'm going to order a complete new oil pump and be done with it.
All this mix matching things is not a good thing.
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Location: N.W. Fla. | That's not an LA pump, they have a pentastar plate, as does the 331-392 pumps. I'm not familiar with the Dodge hemi pump as to weather this is one or not. |
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | here are the cast numbers on my hemi 241 oil pump
body ------ 1618952-18
cover plate 1406255-27
date 4-11
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Location: bishop, ca | I think that your pump is OK... the Good Book only shows 1406 253 (1955 V/8), so that's probably 'fine' for your engine.
I also see P/N 1618 950, for the 'shaft'; its Note-1 refers to engines "P29-xxx" which is the 1956
Fury models.
Your 1618 952 is also not listed in the Good Book.
I've got the 1954 Dodge A.M.A. Spec Sheets, and they say nothing of any particular interest about
your application, except that your car's normal operating oil pressure is from 40-65 psi at 1,500 RPM.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Thanks neil
ok ...... we assume it is a 241 hemi oil pump . that number is for 1955 >>> mine is a 1954 241 hemi
now ........I just need the correct main shaft rotor and the intermediate shaft with gear that extends to the distributor.
don't know why previous builder would have changed the lengths of both shafts.. that is strange !
go figure.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Re: HEMI Tech: Oil systems- filters, pumps, pans
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Here we go .. tr waters has the answer we have been searching for
here it is. >>>>>>>>>>>
It was longer than the one from Egge because their listing is for the earliest Dodge pump that has the 2 inch thick housing. 1406253 housing takes the shorter shaft.
Your pump takes a longer shaft because the housing is thicker. Your housing is thicker because it is a later style pump. For whatever reason, some Dodge engines were built using the 1618952 pump housing.
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Location: N.W. Fla. | A few comments, you have a rebuild kit for the OEM pump, not a purchased rebuilt pump, right? Do you have the specs for max erosion of the pump body? Even when you could buy rebuilt pumps they were checked to be "in tolerance" for a rebuild, but they didn't repair the erosion & that could result, from what I've heard, in a reduction of flow volume of up to 25% & still be "in spec" vs the flow of a new pump. |
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Location: bishop, ca | ..Whatever floats your 'boat'...or gives you at least 60 psi @ 1,500....
Since 1981, Horrie's gauge has registered 82 psi, day in; day out..
Just drove him, tonite, with probably too-high of a B.A. ; it was fun, and he enjoyed it.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Mopar one .. I have another o/p kit coming from egge with a longer main shaft .
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Getting closer to assembly time.
my reground hyd cam arrived today from chris neilson cams .. here are the specs.
lift > .385"
dur > advertised 252* ---- 109"@.050"
L.S.A. >> 190*
Also machine shop finished turning the crank . .010 on all journals .
So all this is left is Balancing the whole assembly and then I get it all back to assemble the engine .
It's been just over two months since I came the machine shop the 241 hemi .
can't wait !
john
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | dodge59 - 2013-08-02 7:57 PM
oil pump issue still
pictures >>
this is the oil pump I took out of the 241 hemi minus the main drive gear rotor.
the kit that egge me , the shaft is 4.75" and the oneI took out of the hemi is 5"
somone appearently changed something here ..
egge says that my 5" main gear is from a early 318-340...
that does not make any sense either beacuse the early style 340 pumps have a shaft that goes all the way down to the pump and plugs in there.. mine has the main shaft , then an intermediate shaft to meet it.
I think I'm going to order a complete new oil pump and be done with it.
All this mix matching things is not a good thing.
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update on the new oil pump kit from egge >
total length of the shaft is .006 shorter end to end.. this isn't an issue though .
this issue is though .
my machne shop notice is when the rotor and shaft are fit in the round hole . the clearance to the top flange is alittle less. meaning it sits down in the hole less than the stock one.. to the top cover . if it is not high enough to stock specs it will have less oil pressure.
so the plan is to shave off .004" from the main body so the rotor is closer to the top cover.. just too much clearance there .
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | ok .... made a type error on my above post on the new reground cam specs..
let me do this again .
lift is 385
dur is 252 advertised ..... 190 @ .050
lobe separation 109
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | dodge59 - 2013-08-08 8:54 PM
dodge59 - 2013-08-02 7:57 PM
oil pump issue still
pictures >>
this is the oil pump I took out of the 241 hemi minus the main drive gear rotor.
the kit that egge me , the shaft is 4.75" and the oneI took out of the hemi is 5"
somone appearently changed something here ..
egge says that my 5" main gear is from a early 318-340...
that does not make any sense either beacuse the early style 340 pumps have a shaft that goes all the way down to the pump and plugs in there.. mine has the main shaft , then an intermediate shaft to meet it.
I think I'm going to order a complete new oil pump and be done with it.
All this mix matching things is not a good thing.
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update on the new oil pump kit from egge >
total length of the shaft is .006 shorter end to end.. this isn't an issue though .
this issue is though .
my machne shop notice is when the rotor and shaft are fit in the round hole . the clearance to the top flange is alittle less. meaning it sits down in the hole less than the stock one.. to the top cover . if it is not high enough to stock specs it will have less oil pressure.
so the plan is to shave off .004" from the main body so the rotor is closer to the top cover.. just too much clearance there .
appears no body make anything right these days..
john
So.........my machine shop called elgin oil pumps and got the tolerance specs for a stock 241 hemi oil pump .... appears that the rotor sits too far down in the hole . suppose to sit flush .
this is the junk parts that people make nowadays.. nothing is made correct.
so .. to bring it up to the tolerances required , my machine shop will shave approx .008 of the body of the pump > so the oil pressure will be where it should be. and not lower if it wasn't corrected.
just waiting for the crank to be balanced next week and she is good to go..
time to assemble.
john
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Location: bishop, ca | See what a simple "rod knock" will do 'for' you?????
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I agree
anyway ...........supposed to have the engine parts back later this week to assemble.
oooooh boy ... getting close !
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | The 241 hemi is going back together .. !!
got all the parts back home except for the pistons and rods. will have the rods and pistons monday.
crank and cam are installed. ...........went together like a dream .
more tomorrow with pics.
geeee.......... so relieved this hemi is going back together. been 3 months .
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | machine shop installed the cam bearings and checked all that .. they have built thousands of engine before.. they are Top notch engine builders. the best in wisconsin. built quite a few hemi's recently . they built a 392 for me a few years back. ran awesome !
" C&S Performance "
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | couple pics of my hemi rebuild .. crank and cam are installed .
block is painted too.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | pistons and rods are installed. pic
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Location: bishop, ca | All that work and you're painting the engine red?
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Location: N.W. Fla. | Sounds right for a Red Ram, better than Silver at any rate. |
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | the engine colors will be :
the block and oil pan will be Red and all the rest Silver .. Best of both worlds.
should look awesome .
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Location: N.W. Fla. | I'd do the heads & intake in red also, it's not like anyone would think they're alloy! :-) |
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Location: bishop, ca | John, if you are not resto-modding your car (in which case, all bets are off...) you
ought---I didn't say "should"..... paint your car's engine block in Corporate Silver.
Some things are just not done, to non-hot rods, or non-Chubbies.
You've come a long way, from a "Rod Knock"; please reconsider your choice of engine
paint (again, if-and-only-if you do not care about having your car look like it's a stock-restored
car).
This guy could have painted his engine in Metal-flake Chubbie, back when nobody
cared about history or provenance...but it's silver.
Somethings are just not done by people who appreciate tradition.
And, again, restomoddists don't care about tradition; that's Kool; I just thought that your
interests were in Sleeper-fying your ride, and not making it look like a candidate for Barrett
Jackson.
Correct engine block color is a point of honor to the car, and an identity to the rest of the automotive
world.
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | thanks for your opinions guys .
but i'm not restoring my dodge for concours shows .. just wanting to paint this engine with a llittle more red than stock .. I know this 54 redram hemi is suppose to be all silver with redram painted letters and black wire covers.. just needed a little more pop when I open the hood . haha. that's all.
I'm really likeing the way it's looking so far.
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Location: bishop, ca | How many Chubsters, of any age/size, are painted in Silver?
Answer; virtually none.
How many Hemi/Poly Chrysler engines are seen, painted in red (some 60+ B-blocks came in red) ?
Too many.
They'll love your car, John. They'll just think that you've got a Hemi head rat rod.
Of course, it could be worse; Chubbie engines get put into F-word hot rods, too often, too.
As the Navy fly boys ('Nam era) said: "Better a sister in a brothel than a brother in F15's."
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Location: N.W. Fla. | F-15s in "Nam? Seriously? |
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | I seen a rat rod at a car show that had hemi valve covers modified to fit over chebbie engine heads .. .. that was so funny. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Stand by my statement.
The US NAV certainly knew about the imminent production of the F15's, and had natural service rivalry.
I didn't say that the F15 was in service, only that the NAV fly-boys were disparaging the 15's.
Better dead than (Chubbie) red.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Update on hemi build
buttoned her up today.. she has new OIL pumped thru her veins and ready to fire up. can't wait.
She is ready to be installed into Car.
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Location: bishop, ca | Still not too late to de-Chubby-fy the engine.
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Location: bishop, ca | Guilty as charged.
Friends don't let friends paint their engines in Chubbie red.
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Advice from my engine machinist " If you get excited and make it run" (as if I wouldnt) "Dont let the egine sit. Run the cam in and make sure it is started regularly after that"
He said that its not un common for new engines to be destroyed or end up locked up because once started, all the assembly lube gets washed away and things have not fully settled into place yet.
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Location: bishop, ca | Color matters, if it look like a Chubster; yours doesn't, Mick.
You don't see Chubbie engines painted Silver.
Right-oh; upon initial start up, get the engine immediately to about 2,000+ RPM and keep it there....for about 10 minutes.
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