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Location: The Great Northwest | Take a look at the attached copy of my 61 Chrysler New Yorker window sticker. The orginal 'SHIP TO' and 'SOLD TO' dealership information has been expertly XXXd out by a very heavy typewriter. The car does show the Portland, Oregon dealership where the original owner bought the car back in January, 1961.
FURY MOTORS INC. ???
MARYLAND STATE ROUTE 236 ???
LEXINGTON PARK MD
The first line may read FURY MOTORS INC?? The second line seems to read Maryland State Route 236?? The third line in both addresses is Lexington Park, MD. Would anyone have any information about a Chrysler dealership in Lexington Park back in 1961 that may have originally got my car and sold or traded to the Portland dealer?? Any Maryland dealership or shipper info would be helpful.
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Location: Parts Unknown | No help on the Maryland dealer, but "CMSTP&P" stands for "Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific" railroad,
or as I always knew them, The Milwaukee Road. Apparently they were involved in the transport ?
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Location: bishop, ca | What is the Dealership/Shipping codes on the Paint/Trim data plate?
Darrell Davis might have the Dealership information in his files.
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Location: The Great Northwest | Doc - thanks for the translation of the shipping company because it would most likely needed to be on a train to the West Coast.
Neil - here's a shot of the trim tag but I have no idea how to translate the dealer info.
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| There are two main roads in Lexington Park - 235 and 246.
The current Dodge Jeep Chrysler dealership is on 235. (888) 859-1978.
Satellite imagery indicates the current dealership is in a 'new' building.
Otherwise came up with nothing on a dealership there from that time period.
If you ever come up with an address for the old place, let me know and I'll have a look next time I'm in those parts. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Bel5758 - your assessment of the Maryland state route is accurate and the XXXs cover a 5 just as much as a 6 so I will update the translation of the shipping information on the car. Thanks for your feedback. |
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| I do not think the car was sold at a Maryland dealership.
When a car was built to an order by Chrysler, the Monroney label (Aka, window sticker, used on all cars since the law was passed in 1958) was put on as the car exited the last stage of assembly, and the ordering dealer was invoiced. The invoiced dealer was listed on the Monroney label.
If, for some reason (dealer out of business, a redirected car, dealer refused, etc) the car was not sold to the ordering dealer then the "factory" or a zone office could divert the car to another dealer (generally involved horse trading or arm twisting). In later years, cars could also be ordered by the zone offices to the infamous "sales bank", i.e., built without a dealer order and the zone had to find "homes" for them.
Any of these situations could result in changes to the Monroney label, and were legal if authorized Chrysler employees did the changes. Dealers are forbidden to alter the label, and a heavy fine is incurred if caught.
I never saw an XXXX on a dealer name on a Monroney but my experience is more eighties any beyond where printing a new label was a little easier. Some old-timers may chime in on what was done in the sixties.
All told, I suspect the car was sold as a new unit to the dealer on the label, not the xxx out.
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Location: The Great Northwest | Mark,
Thanks for the perspective on the window sticker alterations. Interesting that the original printing is so specific about the 'sold to' and 'ship to' dealership as it comes off the line and the alteration is such a heavy ham fisted typewriter. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | So few cars survive with their window sticker. What a fun and historic document to have with
your car. My DeSoto is coded as some sort of "company use" vehicle in the dealer designation
area of the build sheet. I can only imagine what it's window sticker might have looked like, ....
... or if it would have even got one ? My Plaza is a barrel-bottom car that was really loaded up
on driver comfort options, and the Dodge was a special order/ rush order car. Both would probably
have interesting window stickers. Sadly, like most of these cars, no one thought enough of them
at the time to keep a file of all their paperwork for posterity. 
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Location: Arizona | Here's one...
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Location: Parts Unknown | Riegel Becker Motors ! I know THAT name ! 
I should go check that address and see what is there now. Oh yeah, I forgot it's no longer
the Stone Age ! .... let's try Google !
https://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&layer=c...
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | On that TRM code, you can unscrew the P/T plate and check out its reverse side.
All those options, and not a one of them is coded on the P/T plate...
The P/T plate looks like it shows a shadow image of a piece of masking tape having lain over it; this car may well
have been built in the LA plant; no back-less mounting screws on the P/T plate, unlike previous years' plates.
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Location: Arizona | I made a short attempt to unscrew it and my screwdriver wasn't biting too well so I stopped. Are those just regular screws that should unscrew? Would there really be something on the back side of the plate? |
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Location: atlanta | jimntempe - 2013-12-18 7:32 PM
Here's one...
What I find amazing about that sticker is that the 60 4 door wasn't a loaded car by any means and it was what? 3300 bucks, and Yet in 1970 I walked into a local Chrysler dealer here in "purgatory" Ga. and bought a new Panther Pink 4 speed AAR Cuda, the dealers only received two each, so I paid full sticker at 4600 bucks, now I say that to say this. In ten years it doesn't seem like car prices accelerated as fast as inflation, I mean 1300 bucks difference in ten years and on a non loaded car and a loaded and exclusive one. |
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| 56300B - 2013-12-18 11:57 AM
Mark,
Thanks for the perspective on the window sticker alterations. Interesting that the original printing is so specific about the 'sold to' and 'ship to' dealership as it comes off the line and the alteration is such a heavy ham fisted typewriter.
I'm a long way from being fully up to speed on this, but I think there are two possibilities for listing 'Sold To' and 'Ship To'.
In the U.S. some dealers acted as the distributor for their area and cars would be shipped to them by the major common carrier to be forwarded on to the selling dealer by a local carrier. There may have been a cost break in doing things this way, or it could be that the major carrier didn't service the (usually) small town where the selling dealer was located.
In Canada, there were "Associate" dealers. In my area, there was a very small storefront that at one time had been a stand-alone dealership. In the mid 1970s this dealership became an Associate dealer to the CPY dealer in the neighbouring, larger town. Thankfully, in my case when my parents were in there buying a car, I wandered around this storefront (it wasn't even big enough to hold a car) and discovered a stash of old colour & trim books. It took about 2 minutes of persuading the guy we were dealing with to part with these books. Granted they were only about 12 years old at the time, but they're still on the shelf in my library and have been referred to many times in the last 35 years.
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Location: Parts Unknown | As I have understood it, re-directs and dealer swaps were common back in the day.
What i find odd is the CROSS-COUNTRY swap suggested here. Hard to get more east coast
than Maryland. Hard to get more west coast than Portland, O ! Seems the cost of transport
would have been high compared to a regional swap.
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Location: bishop, ca | Arland, Darrell Davis didn't have your car's dealership ID in his files.
He, naturally, suggests that you, and everyone else who is interested in his car's build-history, go buy a copy of
the factory's IBM Build Card on your ride; hopefully, the Historical Society's cover letter will also confirm the ID of
your car's selling dealership.
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Location: The Great Northwest | Neil,
Thanks for the update on the dealer name effort. I guess it's time to buy the old document and hope the cover letter shows something new. |
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| "Sold To" and "Ship To" had several different uses. As mentioned, in the fifties and early sixties (in some areas) a distributor managed all of the sales for a wide region, and established sub dealers in smaller areas. For example, in L.A. in the 1950's, Pelton Motors handled all Dodge distribution in much of So. Cal.
Other reasons for Bill To/ Ship to differences were for fleet sales (one dealer sells to a national account, but cars are delivered locally). I recall a few other instances, so a difference in these two spots is not that unusual.
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