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Peter Panov
Posted 2014-02-21 10:16 AM (#428309 - in reply to #425095)
Subject: RE: New member intro : '57 Desoto Firesweep


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Great car, lucky man. I was just looking at this car on Ebay wondering whether I will be lucky to have something like this some day.
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baker53
Posted 2014-02-21 7:57 PM (#428398 - in reply to #425095)
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Thanks. I had a Firesweep back in '62 and was glad to find another. Lots of work to do on this one, but I am enjoying the various tasks involved in getting it road-worthy once again.
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baker53
Posted 2014-02-22 7:25 PM (#428514 - in reply to #428398)
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Found the Car Production Broadcast sheet above the glove box. I listed what was on it, in case it would be useful to the FL members that decode these. I did not find any other documentation under the rear seat as was mentioned in another post.


HAND WRITTEN AT TOP OF SHEET: DESOTO 103
HAND WRITTEN IN THE SPECIAL INSTRUCT. SECTION: BLACK

CAR PRODUCTION BROADCAST
DODGE DIVISION

PROD. ITEM NO. 0164

LINE N
SHIPPING ORDER NO. 0221 07725
BODY MODEL 3146
STYLE 4
PAINT LNL
TRIM 516
SPECIAL ORDER NO. BLANK
TIRES D7
BATT BLANK
AXEL D
NCS BLANK

TRANS 32 3
AIR COND 351 BLANK
REAR DEFR 367 BLANK
HEATER 374 4
LIGHT-H/B 377 BLANK
POWER SEAT 384 BLANK
POWER W/L 2 385 BLANK
POWER W/L 4 386 BLANK
POWER W/L TG 387 BLANK
SOLEX GLASS EXC CONV 394 BLANK
SOLEX TINT 395 BLANK
VISOR 396 BLANK
SOLEX TINT CONV 397 BLANK
UNDERCOAT 401 BLANK
ROOF PKG 48 BLANK
CONV, TOP 31 BLANK
POWER BRAKES 339 BLANK
BUMP. MLDG 53 BLANK
ROUTE 67 5
ACC GROUP 1 331 BLANK
ACC GROUP 2 332 BLANK
ACC GROUP 3 333 BLANK
ACC GROUP 4 334 BLANK
ACC GROUP 5 335 BLANK
ACC GROUP 6 336 BLANK
ACC GROUP 7 337 BLANK
POW STEER 338 8
POW BRAKE 339 9
AERIALS 34 34 1
AIRFOAM-FRT 361 BLANK
AIRFOAM-RR 362 BLANK
BUMP VERT 363 BLANK
CARPET 364 BLANK
CLOCK-ELEC 365 BLANK
CRASH PAD 366 BLANK
DUAL EXH 368 BLANK
DUAL EXH WAGONS ONLY 369 BLANK
EXH DEFL 371 BLANK
D-500 ENG 372 BLANK
ENG POW PKG 373 BLANK
B.U. LIGHTS 375 BLANK
LIGHTS GB 376 BLANK
378 BLANK
MIRROR-GP 379 BLANK
MIR. OUT L. 381 BLANK
MIR. OUT R. 382 BLANK
MIR. VANITY 383 BLANK
RADIO SEARCH TUNNER 388 BLANK
PUSHBUTTON RADIO 389 9
RADIO MANUAL 391 BLANK
REAR SPEAKER 392 BLANK
HI FI 393 BLANK
PLASTIC STEERING WHL. 398 8
STONE SHIELD 399 BLANK
WHL COV 402 2
DEL WHL COV 403 BLANK
W/S WAASHER 404 4
W/S WIPER 405 BLANK
GEN-40 AMP 406 BLANK
GEN-50 AMP 407 BLANK
BUMPER EQPT 408 BLANK
409 BLANK
41 BLANK
42 BLANK
43 BLANK
44 BLANK
GAS HEATER & H.C.C RAD 45 BLANK
LIGHT-DESOTO ASHTRAY & DOME 46 BLANK
LIGHT-DESOTO TRUNK-COURTESY 47 BLANK
DESOTO MLDG PKG. 48 BLANK
49 BLANK
50 BLANK
BUMP. MLDG. 53 BLANK
FEATURE GRP 56 BLANK
LOW COMP. 57 BLANK
GAS CAP & HEADLAMPS 58 BLANK
RAD. CORE & SW. CONV. 59 BLANK
TOOL KIT & TIRE KIT 60 BLANK
H/D SPRINGS 61 BLANK
H/D SHOCKS 62 BLANK
63 BLANK
64 BLANK
65 BLANK
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baker53
Posted 2014-02-22 7:26 PM (#428515 - in reply to #428514)
Subject: Re: New member intro : '57 Desoto Firesweep



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Here is a picture of the CAR PRODUCTION BROADCAST.





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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-02-22 8:50 PM (#428525 - in reply to #428515)
Subject: Re: New member intro : '57 Desoto Firesweep



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baker53 - 2014-02-23 11:26 AM

Here is a picture of the CAR PRODUCTION BROADCAST.





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Same guys handwriting on your broadcast sheet in seemingly the same blue pen as is written on my '59 Dodge Coronet's broadcast sheet , seems he worked there at least from 1957 to 1959 ......................


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d500neil
Posted 2014-02-22 9:27 PM (#428531 - in reply to #428525)
Subject: Re: New member intro : '57 Desoto Firesweep



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So, your car's dashboard is (completely) black.

That "N" guy appears never to have slept; he autographed (signed-off on) a lot of 57 Dodge/Firesweep dashes.

Your tires are coded "07", and that means that they were five (including a spare wheel/tire!) Rayon ("Power Cushion") Goodyear
8.00x 14" white-walls.

The blank 'NCS' (New Car Service) means that it was not prepared in the factory for immediate customer drive-away, once it
was delivered to the dealership.

Your car was built on or around 2/21/57.

It was delivered to the dealership by Common Carrier (Truck).

Unfortunately, your car didn't get the 325 Hemi engine installed in it, but, neither did it receive the 4-bbl carb/dual-exhaust "Power
Package" in it, either.

It was not undercoated, either, which makes it a rare(er) survivor; all that it had between the OEM steel and the Rusty World
was some thin gray/blue colored sealer/primer.

I can't see your Axle code; there's a smudge over it; but, it should be a "B", not a "D"; B is the 3.36:1 ratio.

If it is a 'D', let me know...also, if you can get under the diffie, there is a small 'flat' area on its passenger's side which
will have the ratio very lightly, but clearly stamped onto it.






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baker53
Posted 2014-02-23 3:53 PM (#428636 - in reply to #425095)
Subject: Re: New member intro : '57 Desoto Firesweep



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The top part of the dash is black and the lower portion is gray. The code letter above the axle block is definitely D. It is not a B. I will check out the differential ratio and let you. I did some pressure washing on the engine and the front cross-member and no rust on the cross-member. I will attach some pictures of the cleaned engine as well as what it looks like under the valve covers. Thanks for the info you provided. All of it was obvious, except for the date of manufacture which I sure do appreciate.
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baker53
Posted 2014-02-23 4:11 PM (#428638 - in reply to #428636)
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Some pictures of work in process.



(PAINTED RADIATOR.jpg)



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(PAINTED VACUUM TANK.jpg)



(PAINTED BACKING PLATE.jpg)



(BLOCK 1 AFTER PRESSURE WASH.jpg)



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(LEFT BANK CYLINDER HEAD.jpg)



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FIN ME
Posted 2014-02-24 9:02 AM (#428757 - in reply to #425095)
Subject: Re: New member intro : '57 Desoto Firesweep



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d500neil - I'm assuming that any item followed by "BLANK", means that the car does not have this item/feature?

The car seems to have Solex glass, but "BLANK" follows the Solex items listed on the broadcast sheet...I think?

So, I must be mistaken in some way?

Sure wish I had the broadcast sheet for my car!




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baker53
Posted 2014-02-25 2:04 PM (#428931 - in reply to #428757)
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Built a remote fill cap for the master cylinder. Hopefully, it will make brake bleeding a lot easier.




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baker53
Posted 2014-03-02 1:55 PM (#429564 - in reply to #428931)
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Finished sand-blasting the five wheels for the Desoto. They all had some surface rust. They are now ready for primer and paint. Then save up some $$$ to purchase the new whitewalls from Diamondback.




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baker53
Posted 2014-03-02 2:00 PM (#429567 - in reply to #429564)
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Rebuilt the single point distributor for the Desoto and dialed it in on the Sun Distributor machine. That sure makes quick work to verify proper operation and check for point bounce as well as setting up the mechanical advance and verifying vacuum advance and any other issues with the distributor.





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ronbo97
Posted 2014-03-02 2:49 PM (#429577 - in reply to #428931)
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baker53 - 2014-02-25 2:04 PM Built a remote fill cap for the master cylinder. Hopefully, it will make brake bleeding a lot easier.

The issues I see with this setup are: 1. it is not original and will be quite visible in an otherwise correctly restored car. 2. How will you know when the master is full ? As you are filling it, when the master is full, brake fluid will start backing up into the line. When you remove the connection, it will spill over onto your firewall.

The solution for filling stock p/b master cylinders is pretty simple. Auto parts stores sell plastic funnels with flexible extensions that you can easily snake around the booster and into the master cyl. That's what I used for my 58 Ply with a bellows (Kelsey Hayes) booster. The bellows actually offers less clearance than the canister (Bendix), yet I am able to fill the m/c with no problems.

Ron

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baker53
Posted 2014-03-02 3:37 PM (#429587 - in reply to #429577)
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Hi Ron, The Delrin filler cap is only for servicing. The standard cap will be installed after servicing. The funnel is a great way I am sure, but I had some time plus the material and the machine shop here at home so I made a filler cap.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-02 3:42 PM (#429589 - in reply to #425095)
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Ron, I forgot to mention that I have a pressure bleed system that connects to the right angle tubing connector that is screwed into the Delrin filler cap.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-03 9:10 PM (#429777 - in reply to #429589)
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Rebuilt the generator and the 2 BBL carburetor today. I was pleasantly surprised how reasonable the kit for the carburetor was.



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Kenny J.
Posted 2014-03-03 9:58 PM (#429784 - in reply to #428931)
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baker53 - 2014-02-25 11:04 AM

Built a remote fill cap for the master cylinder. Hopefully, it will make brake bleeding a lot easier.


Now this is great engineering. I may steal your idea for my '57. Though my goal is to keep the car virtually stock, it will be a driver rather than a trailer queen and this is a brilliant idea. Thanks for sharing.

Though as I think about it, this is something you'd replace with the stock cap after bleeding is done.

K.

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FIN ME
Posted 2014-03-04 11:04 AM (#429831 - in reply to #425095)
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Great progress, baker53!

You work fast!

Please keep the updates coming.


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baker53
Posted 2014-03-04 12:51 PM (#429850 - in reply to #425095)
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Thanks Rosy. This cold weather we are getting down here has slowed me down a bit. Just a few more days of this cold weather and we will be back to the 70's and I'll get busy on the inner fender panels. I have the engine just about ready for the silver paint. The fender wells have surface rust, but clean-up has been going pretty well so-far.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-06 5:31 PM (#430140 - in reply to #429850)
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Weather was great down here today, so I did a little painting on the wheels, inner fender panels, plus some of the other parts that were ready for paint. Hopefully, we will have nice weather tomorrow as well and I can get busy on the engine paint.




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baker53
Posted 2014-03-07 4:54 PM (#430276 - in reply to #430140)
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Put some paint on the engine today.




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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-03-07 6:01 PM (#430281 - in reply to #430276)
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Wow, thats made one hell of a difference compared to the bare bones original paint " patina " engine before hand. !!!

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baker53
Posted 2014-03-07 7:58 PM (#430297 - in reply to #425095)
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VAN HELSING: Thanks, lots of de-greasing, scrubbing, pressure washing, and wire brushing. I am getting onto the brakes now and after they are in good order, I will reassemble the accessories on the engine.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-03-07 9:29 PM (#430312 - in reply to #425095)
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Bill, any luck in finding the axle ratio?

Also, what advance specifications do you have dialed into your distributor, and what
advancement does the vacuum advance have?

Its advancement will be twice the number that is stamed onto its lever arm?

A 2-bbl carb can have a lot of advance dialed into it, compared to that for a 4-bbl carb car.

Rosy, if a Broadcast Sheet or IBM card has no option numbers appearing on a particular item,
then, either that item is standard-equipped on that car, or, that car does not happen to have that optional
item in it.

Bill's car is not coded as having Solex glass in it (just like my car, coincidentally), so it would have
only the standard non-tinted clear-windshield and side/back glass in it.


Edited by d500neil 2014-03-07 9:39 PM




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57desoto
Posted 2014-03-08 7:24 AM (#430351 - in reply to #425095)
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Yes, Bill, GREAT job on everything!!!
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-08 10:32 AM (#430371 - in reply to #430351)
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d500neil: Here is the info you requested on the advance. ALL INFO IS IN CRANKSHAFT DEGREES.

MECHANICAL ADVANCE
ENGINE RPM CRANKSHAFT DEGREES
1000 RPM 1.5 DEGREES
1200 RPM 3 DEGREES
1600 RPM 8 DEGREES
2000 RPM 10 DEGREES
2400 RPM 12 DEGREES
2800 RPM 14 DEGREES
3200 RPM 17 DEGREES
3600 RPM 18 DEGREES
4000 RPM 18 DEGREES

VACUUM ADVANCE
VAC. CRANKSHAFT DEGREES
8" 4 DEGREES
10" 10 DEGREES
12" 14 DEGREES
14" 18 DEGREES
16" 20 DEGREES
18" 22 DEGREES
20" 24 DEGREES
22" 24 DEGREES
24" 24 DEGREES

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baker53
Posted 2014-03-08 10:51 AM (#430373 - in reply to #430371)
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d500neil: The third member is marked 3 54
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-08 10:56 AM (#430375 - in reply to #430373)
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57desoto: Thanks Ed, I just got the car up on four jack stands and will start on the brakes today. From a cursory look, all of the steel brake lines look solid and rust free. I don't see any brake fluid leakage around the various wheel cylinders. I will try and bleed them and see how that goes. I have new wheel cylinder kits, but have not bought any shoes. I am hoping the existing ones will be OK. Only way to tell is give them a look see.
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FIN ME
Posted 2014-03-08 1:06 PM (#430393 - in reply to #430312)
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d500neil - 2014-03-07 9:29 PM


Rosy, if a Broadcast Sheet or IBM card has no option numbers appearing on a particular item,
then, either that item is standard-equipped on that car, or, that car does not happen to have that optional
item in it.

Bill's car is not coded as having Solex glass in it (just like my car, coincidentally), so it would have
only the standard non-tinted clear-windshield and side/back glass in it.



Thanks, Neil!

I guess my eyes were deceiving me, 'cause I thought that baker53's car had Solex glass from the looks of the photos. Must have just been some shadowing.




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baker53
Posted 2014-03-09 12:39 PM (#430496 - in reply to #425095)
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I bled the brakes and had great pedal, but found I was engaging only one shoe on the right front. I pulled all four drums and found that 5 of the 6 wheel cylinders were stuck. Also, the shoes looked pretty thin. Rather than install kits in the cylinders, I ordered new ones along with new shoes and new steel brake lines. Hopefully, all that stuff will get here this week. I also took the drums to get them turned and they should be ready soon. I have new bearings sets for the front, so I'll put them in as well. Maybe within a week or two I will have brakes on the Firesweep.

57desoto: Ed you asked earlier about the flexible lines for the brakes. For the short one from the master cylinder to the steel line I used Raybestos BH27048, for the two front flexible lines, I will use Dorman H24717, for the rear flexible hose I will use NAPA 24058.

Also, in case anyone needs some wheel cylinder kits, I have 6 Dorman 19382 kits for sale.

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57desoto
Posted 2014-03-09 5:24 PM (#430530 - in reply to #425095)
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All sounds good, Bill! Thanks. Hopefully you ordered linings of 3/16" thickness, and not 1/4". The latter may prevent you from getting the drums over the shoes.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-09 5:49 PM (#430538 - in reply to #430530)
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Hi Ed, I did not know about the 3/16" and the 1/4" linings for the shoes. I will have to check with the supplier tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up.
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57burb
Posted 2014-03-10 9:43 AM (#430602 - in reply to #430538)
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Bill, you're doing a fantastic job. Any chance you'll take the Desoto to the Lonestar Roundup next month?
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-10 3:31 PM (#430636 - in reply to #425095)
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57burb: I am not sure if it will be ready or not. If it is, I'll take it there. I got word that the parts I ordered for the brakes are being shipped today. I removed the brake assembly from the right front and cleaned up the back plate and the other parts of the assembly. I've been removing dirt and gunk from the suspension parts at the right front. It is slow going with 57 years of stuff caked on the parts. I have jury duty tomorrow, so that will put a damper of the other three brake assemblies. Hopefully, if I am selected as a juror, it won't be a long one.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-13 10:36 PM (#431144 - in reply to #430636)
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The brakes are coming together. I finished the front and rear assemblies and now awaiting the new steel brake lines which should be here next Monday. Hopefully, the brakes will be working great early next week.





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57desoto
Posted 2014-03-14 7:30 AM (#431171 - in reply to #425095)
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Bill, I think your return springs are attached incorrectly. On the FRONTS, the shoe side of the spring goes into the HOLE in the middle of the shoe, NOT into the loop at the outer edge. On the REAR, it DOES attach to the outer loop. This is shown in the service manual, but they don't make a big enough point about it. I've helped a lot of folks over the years who complain about brakes not working properly with just that one change.
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ronbo97
Posted 2014-03-14 9:11 AM (#431178 - in reply to #431171)
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Ed is correct about the loop vs. hole location. Hole for front; loop for rear.

Also, I would recommend replacing the springs with fresh ones. Over time, they loose their tension and can result in shoes not returning properly. One of the causes of pulling to the left or right that folks sometimes complain about. I believe Andy Bernbaum has the correct springs.

Smart move to replace wheel cylinders, rather than rebuilding them. Pitting in the cylinder bore can result in leaks, which are never fun.

I highly recommend buying the shop manual for your car. While I haven't seen the 57 Desoto shop manual, I know the 57 Chrysler manual is very well written and detailed. 95% of mechanicals are the same between the two cars.

Ron

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FIN ME
Posted 2014-03-14 9:53 AM (#431180 - in reply to #425095)
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Great progress and a very impressive pace, baker53!

I see '57 DeSoto manuals for sale every now and then on Ebay, and on vintage auto literature sites:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Desoto-Firedome-Firelite-Firesweep-Sho...

Some tranny manuals too if anyone is interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-1957-Desoto-Torque-Flite-Transmission-...


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baker53
Posted 2014-03-14 10:43 AM (#431194 - in reply to #431180)
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Thanks Rosy, I don't have the transmission manual, but I did get the Service manual. I think it was the first thing I purchased for the car.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-14 10:47 AM (#431195 - in reply to #431171)
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Thanks Ed for the info on the return springs. I will get that corrected.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-14 10:50 AM (#431197 - in reply to #431178)
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ronbo97: Thanks for the info, I'll check into that. I do have the Service manual, so I have no excuse for the incorrect installation of the return springs.
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FIN ME
Posted 2014-03-14 11:22 AM (#431202 - in reply to #425095)
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Maybe it's 'cause you can work at the speed of light! LOL Honest mistake.

If there is any chance at all, please try to bring your DeSoto to the National DeSoto Convention in Indiana in mid July! We'd love to see your car and all of the progress that you've made...oh...and we'd love to meet you too.


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Posted 2014-03-14 11:53 AM (#431205 - in reply to #431202)
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Smart move getting the shop manual. I would caution against these 'manuals on CD' that have been appearing on ebay. I purchased one for a 55 Desoto and the reproduction quality was poor. I had to send it back because the images, which are a critical part of the manual, were illegible. I managed to find an original shop manual in excellent condition and the images/illustrations were sharp and clear. Just FYI.

Ron

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baker53
Posted 2014-03-14 1:05 PM (#431215 - in reply to #425095)
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FIN ME: It would be great to attend that event, but I don't think I will be ready. Perhaps the next one will be in the cards.

ronbo97: OK on that CD, glad you found a good hard copy manual. I have an original manual that is in great condition. I just need to check the pictures more frequently.

I am in the process of removing the old brake lines. I have all of them off except for the long line to the rear. The others came off very easily and will make good patterns to bend the new steel lines from.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-16 4:34 PM (#431489 - in reply to #431215)
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Spent yesterday and today putting the engine bay back together. Still more to do before start-up, but making some progress. I added an idler pulley for the belt that drives the water pump, A/C compressor and generator. The original system did not seem to provide enough belt contact with the water pump and compressor. My new steel brake lines are due in tomorrow, so I'll either do brake completion or engine bay completion.




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Posted 2014-03-16 5:05 PM (#431496 - in reply to #425095)
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Everything looks really good.
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Posted 2014-03-16 7:11 PM (#431520 - in reply to #425095)
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Nice job on the pulley. There was a reason the factory setup used two belts.....
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-16 9:19 PM (#431550 - in reply to #431520)
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I guess it worked OK as it was originally with the single belt, but I agree with you two belts are better. Unfortunately, the water pump pulley has a single groove and if I tried to use a an extra long belt to drive the power steering pump and the A/C compressor, the belt would rub against the area in front of the single groove an the water pump pulley. I figured the idler pulley was the best option for my setup.
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baker53
Posted 2014-03-17 4:28 PM (#431659 - in reply to #425095)
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Red letter day for me. Finished assembly of the engine bay and started up the '57 Desoto Firesweep. Engine sounds great, no tappet noise or other bumps in the night plus oil pressure is excellent. Temperature gauge works as well as the ammeter. The fuel gauge is not working, so I'll have to investigate that issue. BTW, I am really impressed how quickly the engine started. I spun the engine for about 5 seconds to fill up the float bowl in the carb and it started right up. I pressure tested the cooling system with my tester and no leak down, so it looks like all is well so-far. The new steel brake lines should arrive today so forming and installing them will be tomorrows project.
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FIN ME
Posted 2014-03-18 11:12 AM (#431801 - in reply to #425095)
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Great news, baker53!

You've done speedy and impressive work on your new, old car!

BTW...we are all convinced that you never sleep! LOL

Congratulations on obtaining this wonderful car, and getting it back in shape so quickly!


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