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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 11:32 AM (#434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		I figured I'd post some progress on my '59 Belvedere. I got this car a little over a year ago. The previous owner had started trying to restore the car...I started off with the idea of just having a driver...and it has snowballed quite a ways from there..

Car has a little over 26,000 miles on the odometer. Those are the actual miles. I have the original dealer invoice, paperwork, etc.

The photo of the car on the rollback is how the previous owner received it. The next photo shows what she looked like when I bought her.






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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 11:44 AM (#434902 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		The car had a miss...I was hopin for an easy fix. I found a severely bent pushrod and some of the others were a bit bent. My guess is that the car had been run on some old gas and the valves stuck. The engine was full of sludge..I decided I better just pull the thing and go through it.





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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 11:52 AM (#434904 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		I pulled the engine and decided to just go ahead and rebuild the whole thing and be done with it. You can see the sludge that was in the oil pan.







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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 11:54 AM (#434905 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		And Done!





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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 11:55 AM (#434906 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		Just kiddin... I got the block back from the machine shop and began putting it back together.





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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 11:57 AM (#434907 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		I also took the time to detail the frame and floors. It was a messy job wire wheeling all the rust and grease off. I painted the floors (top and bottom) and frame with POR-15 paint.





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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 12:00 PM (#434908 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		I wanted to paint the firewall before putting the engine and front clip back on. I removed the windshield and dashboard since the dash needed repainting and to see if there was any rust issues underneath the windshield gasket.

I cleaned up and prepped the firewall. Treated the rusty areas with acid. Primer and then paint. Its hard to make out in the photos but the final coat is the correct Powder Blue.






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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2014-04-07 12:09 PM (#434914 - in reply to #434899)
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It looks to me that you had some of the nicest floor pans of any FL car of this vintage. It must have been a southrn car surely? 

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Posted 2014-04-07 12:14 PM (#434917 - in reply to #434914)
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58 DESOTOS RULE - 2014-04-07 12:09 PM

It looks to me that you had some of the nicest floor pans of any FL car of this vintage. It must have been a southrn car surely? 



Car spent its whole life in TN. The car is amazingly solid. But the decklid, trunk floor, and trunk weatherstrip channel have rot. I'm guessing the rear of the car always sat outside as if parked in a carport.
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Posted 2014-04-07 12:39 PM (#434921 - in reply to #434899)
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Posted 2014-04-07 4:30 PM (#434950 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: little rock, AR		Not another trailer queen. LOL. Are you going to paint the whole car now? I really like what you have done. Great job a on a 4dr sedan.
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-07 5:38 PM (#434962 - in reply to #434950)
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oldwood - 2014-04-07 4:30 PM

Not another trailer queen. LOL. Are you going to paint the whole car now? I really like what you have done. Great job a on a 4dr sedan.


I don't believe in trailer queens. You know what else comes to and from car shows on a trailer? The porta-johns!! I drive my cars!

Eventually the car will be repainted. As well as all interior pieces. New interior, bias ply tires, etc. She'll be the nicest car I've ever owned.

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Posted 2014-04-07 9:42 PM (#435002 - in reply to #434899)
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Walter passed away on Jul 29, 2014. We will miss you, Walt!

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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-08 5:54 PM (#435121 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		Today I finished trimmin out the door jambs and whatnot.







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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-04-08 8:48 PM (#435136 - in reply to #434899)
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Good progress shots there.

Gee that engine was sludged up, looks like it had done a lot of short length trips to sludge up like that, and/or someones taken the thermostat out.

Did you rebore,new pistons,rings ?

Looks like quite a ring ridge in the before shots, can't seem to see any ring ridge remains in the after shots, can see the hone marks from the machine shop.

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Posted 2014-04-08 10:05 PM (#435142 - in reply to #434899)
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-08 10:07 PM (#435143 - in reply to #435136)
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Good progress shots there.

Gee that engine was sludged up, looks like it had done a lot of short length trips to sludge up like that, and/or someones taken the thermostat out.

Did you rebore,new pistons,rings ?

Looks like quite a ring ridge in the before shots, can't seem to see any ring ridge remains in the after shots, can see the hone marks from the machine shop.

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From my understanding the lady who owned this car only drove it short trips to and from town. Hence the low miles. She drove the car until her license was taken away. Car still had the original pivot type thermostat in it. I'm guessing lack of oil changes in the later years and the short drives is what added to all the sludge!

There was a noticeable ridge in the cylinders. Not severe...but enough that I did have the block bored.
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Paul Hettick
Posted 2014-04-11 1:03 AM (#435442 - in reply to #434899)
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Posted 2014-04-11 8:08 AM (#435467 - in reply to #435442)
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Paul Hettick - 2014-04-11 1:03 AM

Did you ever pick up that cleaveland steam roller you were looking at Austin?


Yea I found one the other day. I'm still lookin for that glass bottom boat you are dying to find!
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Posted 2014-04-11 3:27 PM (#435529 - in reply to #435467)
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Location: California		The progress shots look great! Glad to hear you got the cleaveland steam roller. I heard they can be pretty messy. No glass bottom boat yet but still looking. So when are we going to Boston again for pancakes?
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Posted 2014-04-11 6:35 PM (#435568 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		I've been waiting for you to fix your rusty trombone before getting your pancakes you like so much from Boston.
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-04-20 12:58 AM (#436925 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		With the help of a friend I got the 318 and Powerflite bolted together. Sure is a pain getting that torque converter lined up!

And then lowered the engine and trans into the car...finally! Bolted in the rear cross member and trans mount. Now I can move on to the rest of the body and hopefully get this car in paint before too long!





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Posted 2014-04-20 5:48 PM (#437010 - in reply to #434899)
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She's going to be an original betty, for sure!
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oldwood
Posted 2014-05-02 11:12 PM (#439025 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: little rock, AR		I looked at 1 family owned '59 4dr sedan Savoy tonight. It has a flathead 6 and a 3 onda tree with 68k actual miles. However, they have let it sit outside and the trunk and floor pans are toast. The body is pretty good shape except for the missing front valence. I'll probably buy it and put it someones hands that's trying to get into the antique car hobby without selling their 1st born.
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Posted 2014-05-03 8:02 AM (#439068 - in reply to #434899)
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Posted 2014-10-29 3:34 PM (#460552 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		Some more progress:

I took the dashboard apart and repainted it. I also took the time to take the gauge cluster apart to clean it up and repaint the needles.

I had the door panels recovered. I kept the original textured vinyl in the center.


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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-10-29 3:39 PM (#460553 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		The trunk weather strip lip was practically non existent. All that was left was some jagged metal just waiting to give someone tetanus!

I removed what was left. I had a rear license panel that I bought from a junkyard with a decent trunk weatherstrip channel. I drilled out the spotwelds and then welded it in place.





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big m
Posted 2014-10-29 4:42 PM (#460558 - in reply to #434899)
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Posted 2014-11-19 8:48 PM (#462314 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: little rock, AR		Looks like that one will be ready for Forward Look Ambush on Carlisle for 2015. Loooookin good!!!
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Posted 2014-11-20 7:48 AM (#462339 - in reply to #434899)
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I like your car, 59 Plymouth was the first FL car I ever saw, a Sport Fury.

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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-11-20 7:16 PM (#462390 - in reply to #462339)
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oldwood - 2014-11-19 8:48 PM

Looks like that one will be ready for Forward Look Ambush on Carlisle for 2015. Loooookin good!!!


I'm hopin she'll be ready!!

60 Imp - 2014-11-20 7:48 AM

PF, the block freeze plug installation on your engine block is critical. I see brass plugs and they look to still be too convex. Please know I have only one engine worth of experience with this type, but I have had 1 blow out and I did a lot of research. Others on here will know what I am talking about. Keep a keen eye out when re-commissioning your engine.


The freeze plugs on this particular block were installed by the machine shop. I've built several engines but the plugs I'm used to installing are the bowl type that were hammered in instead of the center punched variety. Not sure what the official names are...these plugs seemed to be in the block pretty tight however.

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Posted 2014-11-20 7:26 PM (#462392 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		The trunk floor was covered in fiberglass and resin when I got the car. After ripping up all that garbage I found this pop riveted patch upon patch trunk floor "fix" underneath. I tore that out to reveal the extent of the rust.



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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-11-20 7:29 PM (#462393 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		Using a section of trunk floor out of a 57 Plymouth I went about the business of cutting out the thin, junky metal and welding in the patch panels. After the welds were smoothed up I coated the floor with POR15. Eventually the trunk area will be repainted gray and undercoated like factory.



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Posted 2014-11-20 7:34 PM (#462394 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		Removing the back glass revealed the typical rot found on most of these cars.

I cut out the rusty areas and welded in small patch panels. After cleaning up the welds the whole back glass area was coated in POR15.

That should keep the rust away!



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Paul Hettick
Posted 2014-11-21 12:07 AM (#462406 - in reply to #434899)
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Posted 2014-11-21 12:34 AM (#462408 - in reply to #462406)
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Looking good! Hurry and get it done so u can get on that two tone green 57 savoy!


She does deserve a good restoration!
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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-11-21 2:32 AM (#462412 - in reply to #462392)
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My 59 Dodge also had those same pop riveted patch upon patch upon patch upon patch upon patch upon patch panels on the trunk floor as well............

Lazy way of fixing up rust holes but I suppose it was better than having the groceries falling through the trunk floor........

Nice pics of your trunk floor repairs


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Posted 2014-11-21 10:50 AM (#462428 - in reply to #462412)
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VAN HELSING - 2014-11-21 2:32 AM
My 59 Dodge also had those same pop riveted patch upon patch upon patch upon patch upon patch upon patch panels on the trunk floor


If you're gonna pop rivet in a floor... I don't understand the need for using 10 pieces of metal. Why not just one? Kinda odd.
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Posted 2014-11-21 12:32 PM (#462436 - in reply to #434899)
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Years ago I had a '58 Ford retractable here that spent most of its time in Michigan, there were three replacement quarter panel skins pop riveted and metal screwed on top of one another on both sides, and several layers of rocker panels done the same way. I remember seeing that kind of thing often years ago, to get the last year or so out of an old car.

Nice work on the rust repairs too!!

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Posted 2014-11-28 7:35 AM (#462999 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: little rock, AR		Its refreshing to see a 4dr get the love that the skinny blondes receive. We are going to have a couple of warmer days than usual here in Little Rock. I'll be working on stripping out the swivel seat and carpet out of the '60 Plymouth to see what the pans look like. The drivers side was shot but I'm hoping to find better metal in the rest of the car. Austin, darn the torpedoes , full steam ahead!!!

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Posted 2014-11-28 11:16 AM (#463007 - in reply to #434899)
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Posted 2014-11-28 2:22 PM (#463018 - in reply to #463007)
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Posted 2014-11-28 6:09 PM (#463042 - in reply to #434899)
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Posted 2014-11-30 8:28 PM (#463244 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Hickory, NC		Decided to tackle the rust issue on the driver's quarter. Removing the paint revealed the swiss cheese...

I cut out the bad portion as well as a part that was rusty on the inner quarter. I then welded in a patch I made from a license panel. Still needs some finish work...but I busted my drop light and it was near impossible to see with a welding helmet on!



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Posted 2014-11-30 8:50 PM (#463252 - in reply to #463244)
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Posted 2014-12-01 2:34 PM (#463306 - in reply to #434899)
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Location: Williams California		Austin, were the inner panels OK? I find a lot of them are thin if the outside is showing rust bubbles, but definitely not always.

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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-12-02 1:57 AM (#463343 - in reply to #463306)
Subject: Re: 1959 Plymouth Belvedere 4dr sedan



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big m - 2014-12-01 2:34 PM

Austin, were the inner panels OK? I find a lot of them are thin if the outside is showing rust bubbles, but definitely not always.



The inner panel had some rust. I cut it out and welded in a patch. The passenger side is totally rust free.
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-12-02 2:02 AM (#463344 - in reply to #434899)
Subject: RE: 1959 Plymouth Belvedere 4dr sedan



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Location: Hickory, NC		Today was I the 70s so I figured I best take advantage of the warm day.

I painted the backside of both front fenders gray and undercoated as done at the factory. It was originally done with the front clip on but it was much easier to get to with the fenders off! I'll trim out the fenders and add the blue overspray on the backside as well.

I also painted the inside trunk area and trunk seal channel gray. I then coated the floor and other areas with undercoating as done at the factory.

It won't be much longer and I'll be putting the front clip on!



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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2014-12-02 6:09 AM (#463356 - in reply to #434899)
Subject: RE: 1959 Plymouth Belvedere 4dr sedan



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Location: Georgia		I don't understand the part about the gold traders and karats, but the trunk and inner fenders look good!


Looks like you've got some spam on your Belvedere, A!


Great progress.
Pete
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-12-02 9:39 AM (#463373 - in reply to #434899)
Subject: Re: 1959 Plymouth Belvedere 4dr sedan



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Location: Hickory, NC		Just reported that Spam post...haha.
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