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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2016-04-11 12:13 AM (#509106 - in reply to #509105)
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Does anybody know the artist. This looks like what I will end up with when I am done, with the exception that mine
is a Firedome not a Fireflite.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2016-12-24 12:00 AM (#529668 - in reply to #509106)
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Merry Christmas.
It has been another year, and all that I have gotten done is taking the car apart.
2016 has been proven as a very busy year for my business. But yet all the money that I made went to my wife.
So, we all know what needs to happen now. ....
Anyway, here is a picture of where I spent most of my time.... my work table/Dream corner.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2016-12-24 12:09 AM (#529670 - in reply to #465620)
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sounds likes a classic case of marriage :) have it looked at and hope you get well soon...



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Powerflite
Posted 2016-12-24 2:04 AM (#529673 - in reply to #529668)
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-01-08 5:10 PM (#530837 - in reply to #529673)
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Well, I was working on the car again. I don't know if it's my age or what, but I am reevaluating this car. I was all
"Gung Ho" about fixing the rockers and floors, but this thing needs a lot more. The salt got into every joint of
this car. To the point where I think it would be unsafe. The easy thing to do is to re-body the car, but I don't do
things the easy way. Plus I hate the idea of using another two door hardtop just to fix this one. I will save that other
two door hardtop for someone else. So my idea is to use a four door sedan, since they made more of them than
anything else. I will use the firewall, floors, rockers, wheelwells, all the way back to the tail lights. My question is
where do the changes occur at the top of the firewall between the 2 dr and the 4 dr. ? Where do I need to cut?
Has anyone done this before?



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-01-08 5:29 PM (#530842 - in reply to #530837)
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Here is a 4 door and a 2 door.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-08 8:34 PM (#530852 - in reply to #465620)
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I am going to attempt to do the same thing with my '58 New Yorker. I don't think there are any major differences in the lower part of the firewall, but I am going to cut much lower than that. Once you cut away a significant portion of the car, it becomes more and more difficult to get it aligned back together. So you want to cut away only as much as you need. The main differences, of course, are behind the front door and the rear part of the rocker panel. So in that area, you will need to keep as much of your original metal that you have and patch the rest.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-01-09 12:32 PM (#530902 - in reply to #530852)
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Most people would throw this body away. I have no choice but to make significant cuts. I will just have to
take a lot of measurements, and use a lot of braces, and compare measurements with the other cars. If it
does not work the first time, I have a big hammer, I can unweld and try again.
I was thinking about cutting here.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-01-09 1:17 PM (#530908 - in reply to #530902)
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I ran across this panel again. Apparently I did not look at it close enough the first time. I thought the first
time I took a picture of the original upholstery, but I did not notice that it was not original. So, it turned out
that these panels were reupholstered twice. The last time was the black and white motif. Anyway, I stripped
off the red and black upholstery to reveal the REAL original upholstery. Red and Gray.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-09 2:10 PM (#530916 - in reply to #530902)
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I see. I can't think of any differences in the front cowl, but you will need to go over both pieces very carefully and measure for any differences. If you can get a solid donor, and you can get it aligned & welded properly, that would make for a relatively easy replacement as an entire clip. Just make sure that you can put all of the different layers back together at that point.
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springsweptwing
Posted 2017-01-10 4:24 PM (#531027 - in reply to #530902)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-01-09 5:32 PM

Most people would throw this body away. I have no choice but to make significant cuts. I will just have to
take a lot of measurements, and use a lot of braces, and compare measurements with the other cars. If it
does not work the first time, I have a big hammer, I can unweld and try again.
I was thinking about cutting here.


Yes this is the factory joint for the screen pillar, if you drill out the spot welds, you should be able to see where the pillar joins on the underside, but sometimes they are leaded over,

There is also a inner brace inside there which goes straight up inside the pillar this will need to be cut through .
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springsweptwing
Posted 2017-01-10 4:26 PM (#531029 - in reply to #531027)
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Cut through here on you're scrap bulkhead.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-10 4:28 PM (#531030 - in reply to #531027)
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How was that inner brace assembled originally?
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springsweptwing
Posted 2017-01-10 4:30 PM (#531031 - in reply to #531029)
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And through here on you're good bulkhead, that will give you enough to trim the excess pieces away so you can slot the two sections back together.



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Posted 2017-01-10 4:36 PM (#531035 - in reply to #531030)
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Powerflite - 2017-01-10 9:28 PM

How was that inner brace assembled originally?


It goes inside when on assembly , but a bit tricky to get out in one piece, plus with modern welding you should be able to fully weld that area to make it a lot stronger than original, the seam on the outside is leaded over , this can be fully welded joint and sanded flat and finished with filler ( bondo)
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-01-22 5:15 PM (#532052 - in reply to #531031)
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I applied some heat to the area to remove the paint and any lead, but there is no lead.
I am going to start drilling out the welds and pealing back the layers. It looks like they used brass as the filler.
You can see that there is not much left of the inside area.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-04-08 2:50 PM (#537631 - in reply to #532052)
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I am using what I have here. I am taking apart a 59 Chrysler 4 door sedan. (If you need some parts, let me know).
After removing the doors and the center door support. I installed a door from a 2 door hardtop. This is the results.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-04-08 8:59 PM (#537651 - in reply to #537631)
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I was thinking about filling that extra space with putty.


As you can see, not only is the sedan roof taller, but the post is at a different angle. So I will have to replace the
post also. But the body of the door fits nicely with the firewall framing.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-04-09 10:35 AM (#537681 - in reply to #537651)
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Looking back on this thread, I noticed that I could have made more comments or better statements. I just wanted to
say thank you to everybody for your words of encouragement and well wishes, and your help. I know that I don't always
acknowledge people, nor do I say the right thing. So if you think that I am an idiot, your probably right. But please
know that I would not intentionally hurt anybody. Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I am not always a good
conversationalist. This thread has been educational to me. Maybe I take after Sgt. Joe Friday.... just the facts.
Thank you.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-04-09 11:36 AM (#537683 - in reply to #465620)
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that bubble top door is way lower. I was warned the 2 door roof is lower.

I am looking at putting a bubble top in my 57 Plymouth
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-04-09 12:46 PM (#537689 - in reply to #537683)
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mikes2nd - 2017-04-09 11:36 AM

that bubble top door is way lower. I was warned the 2 door roof is lower.

I am looking at putting a bubble top in my 57 Plymouth



So what you are saying is that when I replace the roof (and post) with the one from the 2 door hardtop, then everything
will fit together nicely. ?
What is a bubble top, or bubble top door? I heard of bubble top windshields. Does that just mean it's from a hardtop?
Are you saying that you have a sedan and you are going to make it a hardtop?

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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-04-09 10:28 PM (#537718 - in reply to #465620)
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From what I understand the two door roofs are lower and you need to chop them down(rear windows are the same) but they must be fit so its not a cakewalk. (this affects the angle of the rear window).

that two inches is why the 2 doors appear much sleeker and lower.

there are two types of hardtops, bubble tops and straight windows (453 windshield and 451).

all 57's were straight windows. I am curious how a straight window two door fits. I think you can change out the pivot window and they are different shapes.

the 58's were mostly bubble tops windshields(453) so you can see how your pivot window is "straighter" except the Plymouth. The sedans all used a straight window and they are taller.

I wonder how weird a "tall" two door conversion would look? You might use your original pivot window from the the sedan and have longer side window glass cut( and taller) to make it fit.


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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-04-10 12:14 AM (#537732 - in reply to #537718)
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Okay, now I understand about the windows.


Yes, the tall conversion would look weird (and too tall).


For me, I am just using the firewall, floors, and rear wheel wells from a 59 Chrysler 4 door sedan to repair
my 58 DeSoto 2 door hardtop. This is not going to be a cakewalk either.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-04-10 10:02 AM (#537767 - in reply to #465620)
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yeah wow that is a lot of cutting. In the end these bodies are fairly simple though. Welding and welding...

I know many people would be like find a two door hard top donor but that is an impossible task.

I know someone who looked for 7 years to find one and it wasn't cheap even then.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-04-10 2:33 PM (#537786 - in reply to #537767)
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I guess that I am looking way into the future. Soon, you won't be able to find these cars at all because everyone
used up the good ones, then scrapped the ones like this, that could be saved with some extra effort. This is where
I come in. I am trying to save the bad ones first. Let the guys that are afraid of rust work on the better ones. Just
don't throw away the ones that you consider bad. People, like myself, would like to have them. I have three 58 DeSoto
2 door Hardtops and none of them have any floors to speak of. I want to bring all three back to driveable condition.
I am not afraid of a little work, and I have patience. My extra pennies go towards welding supplies.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-19 5:32 PM (#550623 - in reply to #537786)
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What are the odds that I would find a 1958 WV license plate with the
same exact number as the VIN, for my 1958 DeSoto.



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Posted 2017-10-19 11:18 PM (#550647 - in reply to #550623)
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One in a million!

No, really - 000-000 to 999-999 is one million different combinations. More if they were alphanumeric.
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1960fury
Posted 2017-10-20 7:43 AM (#550657 - in reply to #550623)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-19 5:32 PM

What are the odds that I would find a 1958 WV license plate with the
same exact number as the VIN, for my 1958 DeSoto.


that is crazy. i'm into that "stuff" for years as i experienced alot of much weirder things. live is strange.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-10-20 7:22 PM (#550711 - in reply to #465620)
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welderup... hah I just ran out of a tank of gas(85$!) now.. and welding wire... rebuilding rocker sucks... cant imagine what your doing

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-20 11:21 PM (#550729 - in reply to #550711)
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