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JJHuggins

Posted 2016-07-26 9:33 PM (#517683)
Subject: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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I know this is not strictly speaking a Forward Look car, but it does have a 1961 DeSoto drivetrain and many trim parts, plus a few Imperial bits here and there. I just finished restoring it, thanks in part to the always friendly and excellent advice from Members of this group! I truly appreciate all your help, your willingness to share history, information and advice, and to put up with my sometimes rookie questions!

Thanks FLN! John Huggins

(62 Ghia left side view.jpg)

(62 Ghia front quarter view.jpg)

(62 Ghia front view.jpg)

(Engine compartment as completed.jpg)

(Interior as completed.jpg)

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62 Ghia front quarter view.jpg (300KB - 219 downloads)
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Engine compartment as completed.jpg (146KB - 228 downloads)
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Interior as completed.jpg (135KB - 219 downloads)

JJHuggins

Posted 2016-07-26 9:39 PM (#517685 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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I forgot to add that I have some miscellaneous used Forward Look parts for sale or to give away...I'll post those in the appropriate forum. John

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Posted 2016-07-26 9:57 PM (#517688 - in reply to #517685)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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JJHuggins - 2016-07-26 9:39 PM

I forgot to add that I have some miscellaneous used Forward Look parts for sale or to give away...I'll post those in the appropriate forum. John

What a fantastic vehicle!

Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-07-26 11:12 PM (#517700 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: RE: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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John, that is fantastic! I remember your black Dual Ghia and that you were restoring another. Totally amazing!

Are you going to bring this to the MoPars at the Mall show in August? It would be a huge hit! (This is about at Forward Look as it gets, in my opinion).

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Posted 2016-07-27 12:24 AM (#517705 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Just wow. We need a lot more pictures!

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Posted 2016-07-27 1:30 AM (#517707 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Very nice indeed John - you must be the leading expert on those cars now.

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Posted 2016-07-27 3:54 AM (#517711 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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looks like the pretty cousin -----------------------------------------------------------later

60 Imp

Posted 2016-07-27 7:22 AM (#517720 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: RE: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Beaut car, I have long admired the Chrysler concept cars.

Do you need a scaffold to check the cooling water?

Steve.

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Posted 2016-07-27 3:56 PM (#517758 - in reply to #517720)
Subject: RE: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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60 Imp - 2016-07-27 4:22 AM

Beaut car, I have long admired the Chrysler concept cars.

Do you need a scaffold to check the cooling water?

Steve.

Not actually a concept car, they were put together & sold by Dual Motors in Michigan, Gene Cassaroll.
He first built the Dual Ghia cars from 56-58 and then the Ghia L6.4 from 61-63.

Edited by imopar380 2016-07-27 3:57 PM

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Posted 2016-07-27 5:54 PM (#517763 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Such a beautiful car. I've not always liked this body design but it sure has grown on me. That instrument panel design is quite nice as well.

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Posted 2016-07-27 6:46 PM (#517766 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Stunner cars, Dean Martin and celebs drove them....

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Posted 2016-07-28 10:52 AM (#517811 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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What a beautiful car with your worthy restoration! Thanks for sharing. Do you have any original owner information and please tell us what you started with. Absolutely top notch job!

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Posted 2016-07-29 8:24 AM (#517884 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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A very gorgeous car!

I've never seen one in real life, but I hope to some day...I sure think the Ghias are beautiful!

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Posted 2016-08-01 7:34 AM (#518110 - in reply to #517758)
Subject: RE: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Thanks for the learning Ian, I did think Ghia were Chrysler built concepts (built in Italy, not Michigan!), not sure why. Awesome cars nonetheless.

Steve.

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Posted 2016-08-12 10:13 AM (#518912 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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John - Congratulations on a beautiful restoration

I almost purchased the ex Lucille Ball Ghia 6.4L in around 2003 - the asking price at the time was $33,000

I have since acquired a 1971 Stutz - split windshield, which was designed by Exner and the prototype built by GHIA.

There are a number if similarities in the concept and execution of the two cars

1. EXNER was involved in the design of both cars

2. GHIA also built the Stutz prototype - Pandane built the remaining Split Windshield cars. Pandane was responsible for building the Maserati models during the 60s such as the Mistral Spyder etc.

3. Production was 26 units - for both the Ghia 6.4L and 71 Stutz Blackhawk - Split Windshield model

4. The list of first owners of the 1971 Stutz almost mirrors the list of First owners of the Ghia 6.4L

Here a few photos. The rare 1971 STUTZ SPLIT WINDSHIELD should not be confused with the later Stutz production from 1972 on which were compromised to reduce manufacturing costs and the proportions were altered to accommodate 4 seats etc. A side by side comparison of the rare 71 Split Windshield model with later production cars highlights the variances.

Edited by Autoart 2016-08-12 10:25 AM

(1 1971 Stutz - Orig design - lower waist line , i.jpg)

(2 1971 STUTZ - Almost Horizontal exhaust - emphasises lower waste line - long front - sleeker overall proprtions - 17 in magnesium wheels.jpg)

(1971 STUTZ - Motorclassica 275-F.jpg)

(Split windshield ~~60_57.jpg)

(Front 3 qtr overhead ~~60_57.jpg)

(Dash ~~60_57.jpg)

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2 1971 STUTZ - Almost Horizontal exhaust - emphasises lower waste line - long front - sleeker overall proprtions - 17 in magnesium wheels.jpg (50KB - 252 downloads)
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1971 STUTZ - Motorclassica 275-F.jpg (154KB - 189 downloads)
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Split windshield ~~60_57.jpg (73KB - 187 downloads)
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Front 3 qtr overhead ~~60_57.jpg (81KB - 209 downloads)
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Dash ~~60_57.jpg (65KB - 197 downloads)

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Posted 2016-08-12 10:44 AM (#518919 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Stutz are classic pimp mobiles. That one looks like a Pontiac.

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Posted 2016-08-12 11:53 AM (#518922 - in reply to #518919)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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mikes2nd - 2016-08-12 10:44 AM

Stutz are classic pimp mobiles. That one looks like a Pontiac. :)

I must say that is a real interesting comment you make Mike, if i may so - is that your attempt to deprecate EXNER's design of the 71 STUTZ by comparing it to a Pontiac?

Are you "Boy" insinuating Virgil EXNER was a downright fool for creating the original design concept of the Stutz revival car - the 71 STUTZ "Split Windshield " model ?

I have always thought of EXNER as a design genius! - and hardly a " DICKHEAD Designer" as may be inferred from your comment.

I posted photos of the 71 Stutz revival car to share the design genius of EXNER on this forum - as very few people are aware of the existence of the original STUTZ SPLIT WINDSHIELD design which is representative of the original design as intended by EXNER in contrast to the later versions with their altered proportions

"SILVAN" a former member of this forum had some incredible "FORWARD LOOK" cars and an original dark blue GHIA 6.4L which was sold at Monterey before his passing for $452,000.

Just prior to his death he passed onto me a set of NOS 17" FIRESTONE LXX wheels with tires which he had been saving for years for his intended purchase of a 71 STUTZ Split Windshield but which never happened because he was unable to find one for sale due to their rarity.

Should we infer "SILVAN" like EXNER was also a downright fool for being in love with the 71 STUTZ design.

WWWhat..Whatya... say there MIKE?

Edited by Autoart 2016-08-12 12:09 PM

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Posted 2016-08-12 12:08 PM (#518923 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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eh? Even Virgil couldn't make a Pontiac Grand Prix look good?

A Stutz is not a Ghia... at all... A 62 Ghia is 100 times better looking.

a Stutz is a pimped out Pontiac

Edited by mikes2nd 2016-08-12 12:28 PM

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Posted 2016-08-12 12:25 PM (#518924 - in reply to #518923)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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mikes2nd - 2016-08-12 12:08 PM

eh? Even Virgil couldn't make a Pontiac Grand Prix look good?

A Stutz is not a Ghia... at all...

a Stutz is a pimped out Pontiac

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The GHIA 6.4L was designed by EXNER in collaboration with Paul Farago.

GHIA simply built the GHIA 6.4L coachwork to the American design just as they built the prototype Stutz to the Exner design.

Mike your entitled to your opinion but that doesn't make you right!

mikes2nd

Posted 2016-08-12 12:38 PM (#518925 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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cmon man, seriously the whole world cringes when they see a new Stutz... that's why as rare as they are they only worth 20k

Here back in 2009 they were selling for 15k...

http://jalopnik.com/5269141/drive-like-the-king-in-a-15000-1975-stu...

horrible Pontiac car with a hideous design... I wouldn't take the car if someone paid me, I would rather have the parking space...

I wouldn't try to pin this on Exner, heck he died a year later, maybe he actually saw the car finished and died at the sight of it...

Autoart

Posted 2016-08-12 12:59 PM (#518926 - in reply to #518925)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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mikes2nd - 2016-08-12 12:38 PM

cmon man, seriously the whole world cringes when they see a new Stutz... that's why as rare as they are they only worth 20k

Here back in 2009 they were selling for 15k...

http://jalopnik.com/5269141/drive-like-the-king-in-a-15000-1975-stu...

horrible Pontiac car with a hideous design... I wouldn't take the car if someone paid me, I would rather have the parking space...

I wouldn't try to pin this on Exner, heck he died a year later, maybe he actually saw the car finished and died at the sight of it...

MIKE You're trying very hard - I'll give you that!

The 1975 Stutz is not the original 1971 design with Split Windshield.

The later Stutz cars used standard GM Windshields, and various other GM components to reduce manufacturing costs.

For example - compare the exhaust outlet on the 71 with the 75 model The 71 has an almost horizontal outlet and on the 75 it is almost vertical because the distance between the front wheel and door opening is reduced. The waistline is higher so the car is somewhat stodgy. The proportions are completely altered from the original Exner design

I agree the 72 and later STUTZ designs were hideous, because the original EXNER design was compromised. A side by side comparison of a 71 and a 75 Stutz will highlight the variances

The 71 Stutz Design has its origins in the Duesenberg revival car which debuted in 1966 - also designed by EXNER

The 72 an later Stutz cars sell from $15-$40K

Try finding a 71 Stutz "Split Windshield" for sale in that price bracket?

Lets see how many "Split Windshield" cars you can find for sale - Lets see if you can prove me wrong!

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Posted 2016-08-12 1:42 PM (#518927 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: RE: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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elvis owned one of the first ones.. actually he had a few... def. celebrity cars

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Posted 2016-08-13 9:50 AM (#518954 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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Thank you for posting the photos of your 1971 Stutz, split windshield - I've never had the opportunity to see one before.

Still learning something every day,
F.M.

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Posted 2016-08-20 11:36 AM (#519441 - in reply to #517683)
Subject: Re: Forward Look Cousin--1962 Ghia L 6.4 Coupe

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This car GHIA 6.4L Chassis #319 sold at the RM AUCTION in Monterey on Friday for $530,000 plus 10% = $583,000

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