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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-05-19 6:36 AM (#563635 - in reply to #563629)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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Yes, Doc.  It is code PPP, solid Holy Red with a white convertible top and no mark under the CS section of the data plate, which indicates to me it would like very much like the two examples on the previous page.

A red car with no lower trim and a white top.  I am hoping someone with some photoshop skills can show what it would have looked like.



Edited by Lancer Mike 2018-05-19 6:40 AM




(De Soto Color Study.jpg)



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-05-19 2:48 PM (#563648 - in reply to #563635)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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Most interesting ! I love stripper-looking cars, and I love weird builds.
The combination of convertible and stripper is just too cool, but I would
struggle with the aesthetically too high location of the single side trim,
and the heavy look of an all-red car. My dislike of red cars is well known,
but this IS an original red car, which is important, but I'd be torn in having
such a pinnacle good looking car and not making the most of that, whatever
"that" might be. This quandary would be much easier for me if it involved
the 57 side trim .... I would go to monotone without a second thought.

One thing for sure, if this car stands out in a crowd now, it would only
stand out more as a single bar side trim/monotone car. I don't think I
could stomach blackwalls on a DeSoto, but do you own a set of dog dish
hubcaps for 58 DeSoto ? ??
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-05-19 9:57 PM (#563661 - in reply to #563648)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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I know the 1958 Plymouth order sheets strongly caution against ordering an all Toredor Red car.

Red can be an overpowering color.  Also, I should not claim that I know Ivan Jones gave it the white sweep, but I seem to remember him mentioning it. 

One of many interesting things about 1958 cars was the recession.  The cars sat on dealer's lots so long, the dealers starting adding things on to make them look fresher!

However, that mainly applied to the spring special trim items.  Although, I would not put it past a dealer to occasionally add a sweep to a De Soto.

I do NOT own a set of dishies for the De Soto - I have seen 'em on eBay at least once. 

I don't have an inkling to repaint my car just yet, but I'll have to really mull this over when the time comes.  

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Chrycoman
Posted 2018-05-19 11:34 PM (#563662 - in reply to #563661)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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May be like this :



(1958 DeSoto Firedome 2dr Convertible - Red.jpg)



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-05-20 2:04 AM (#563666 - in reply to #563662)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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Thank you Bill!  That's fantastic!

This is how the car is coded!



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firedome
Posted 2018-05-20 10:31 AM (#563686 - in reply to #531609)
Subject: Re: FL Photoshops



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Very interesting to see how it came from the factory! I think Ivan J was right to add the white sweep - usually I'm a stickler for originality, except for when a color change can make a huge improvement. In this case the white sweep really adds to the interest and breaks up the huge mass of red and accentuated the fin. I can see why the factory advised against all red! If'n I'd of ordered a new one, it would have been in pale Lilac metallic (like 1960 Cad color "Heather"), with white sweep and top, but they didn't have that!

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-05-20 4:21 PM (#563707 - in reply to #563686)
Subject: Re: FL Photoshops



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As the current owner, I have newver seen it any other way than with the white sweep.  Thanks to Bill, it is fun to at least see how it may have looked when Orville Easton, the original owner, had it.

This would not be easy to change back because of the trim holes, but there is some appeal to seeing your own car in a new way!  I am not sure which look I like better! 

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christine-lover
Posted 2018-05-20 5:50 PM (#563710 - in reply to #563707)
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You’d have the only 58 ‘Dome convertible today with that kind of trim Mike. Nice car either way!
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-20 8:11 PM (#563717 - in reply to #531609)
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I like it much better with the full 2-tone sweep.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-05-20 9:47 PM (#563726 - in reply to #563686)
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firedome - 2018-05-21 7:31 AM

Very interesting to see how it came from the factory! I think Ivan J was right to add the white sweep - usually I'm a stickler for originality, except for when a color change can make a huge improvement. In this case the white sweep really adds to the interest and breaks up the huge mass of red and accentuated the fin. I can see why the factory advised against all red! If'n I'd of ordered a new one, it would have been in pale Lilac metallic (like 1960 Cad color "Heather"), with white sweep and top, but they didn't have that!


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Actually, they did. Check your 1959 color chart under "Spring Special Colors".

I cannot get my head past the red paint. I so deeply dislike red paint on cars,
I cannot juggle a "better" arrangement that does not involve changing the color
of the car. The single bar trim is neat and really unusual, but it ride disproportionately
high on the body for a single rub strip. making not only a massive amount of unbroken
red body, but also an awkwardly placed side trim.

When I found the aforementioned 58 Sweep ragtop with the single bar trim, as
much as I appreciated how bare bones and cool the car was, it was terminally a
Firesweep, and was going to become a body donor for a Fireflite build, had I got
my mitts on the title. Probably best that I did not. It deserved to be preserved
as the odditiy it was.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-21 2:24 AM (#563743 - in reply to #531609)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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Deciding on paint scheme for my '58 New Yorker. I was impressed with how good looking Rock Hudson's New Yorker is so I am leaning toward painting it the Spring Green color like his. I believe the original was Sandlewood Poly color that doesn't thrill me, and which isn't the color currently on the body. I am going to be painting the roof and firewall soon so I need to land on a scheme quickly. The Spruce Green roof like Rock Hudson's is nice, but a white roof might go with a set of whitewall tires better. A silver roof wouldn't be original, but might match the side trim better. What do you think?



(58NY GreenRoof.jpg)



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-05-21 9:15 AM (#563752 - in reply to #563743)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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The white just looks like every other car.
The green adds some style. But,
the silver makes it look sleek.
I think the silver is more of what you were going for with this car.
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1960fury
Posted 2018-05-21 10:01 AM (#563755 - in reply to #531609)
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if you want it sleek (chopped look) try a black roof. black with pastel colors, very 50s.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-21 10:53 AM (#563759 - in reply to #531609)
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I am seeing your point Kurt that the white is more common, and it really doesn't work as well as I thought it would with the side trim so I think that one is out.
If I wanted to stick with factory colors, I could replace the silver with gray, or maybe a dull metallic silver.....

Black roof version. Interesting. I was trying to go for something lighter on this car, but maybe....

Edited by Powerflite 2018-05-21 10:57 AM




(58NY BlackRoof.jpg)



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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-05-21 3:13 PM (#563769 - in reply to #563755)
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1960fury - 2018-05-21 9:01 AM

if you want it sleek (chopped look) try a black roof. black with pastel colors, very 50s.


I'm with you Sid, love black with pastels! And black and mint green is about as cool as it gets!
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mstrug
Posted 2018-05-21 3:25 PM (#563770 - in reply to #531609)
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I vote Spring green and Black top also. Is the silver trim paint or aluminum? If it is paint I might just paint it black too. If the windows are solex green tint; this would be a killer combination.
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-05-21 3:33 PM (#563771 - in reply to #563770)
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mstrug - 2018-05-21 3:25 PM
I vote Spring green and Black top also. Is the silver trim paint or aluminum? If it is paint I might just paint it black too. If the windows are solex green tint; this would be a killer combination.


If the trim in the spear is aluminum, I would vote for the silver roof. If it is paint, I would like to see the next photoshop with that bit black with the black roof. Should look good.

In me 'umble opinion.



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(57ChryslerBlackGreenAndBlack.jpg)



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firedome
Posted 2018-05-21 4:52 PM (#563779 - in reply to #531609)
Subject: Re: FL Photoshops



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Black with green looks excellent...isn't Rosy's 'Sweep that color?

Doc - the DeSoto Heather Blue Spring color is very different, quite dark, I'm aware of it (have the chips), but here's the color I'd like: '60 Cad Heather... (see next frame) ... Chrysler had a somewhat similar hue in '60 also.

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firedome
Posted 2018-05-21 5:13 PM (#563780 - in reply to #531609)
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Cadillac color "Heather": I'll take my '58 DeS in this color with a Pearl White top & side sweep... now this is 'the '50s!!

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(271c6567f65c8a6e7cf982805daa3c5f--heather-orourke-biarritz.jpg)



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57burb
Posted 2018-05-21 6:03 PM (#563782 - in reply to #563780)
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GM used a similar color from the mid '50s to the early '60s that I like a lot, called Persian Sand. Kind of a dusty purplish color.



(persian_sand.jpg)



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57burb
Posted 2018-05-21 6:29 PM (#563785 - in reply to #531609)
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Here is a PS I did years ago of a '57 Adventurer in a pearlescent white and purple combo.



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57burb
Posted 2018-05-21 6:51 PM (#563787 - in reply to #563785)
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I did these utes a while back too. I think this truck is now owned by Austin.



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57burb
Posted 2018-05-21 6:56 PM (#563788 - in reply to #531609)
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I did a few to check out how I wanted to paint my own car, eventually settling on the black with gray scheme. (last pic is a current one of the car)



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57burb
Posted 2018-05-21 9:55 PM (#563799 - in reply to #531609)
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This photoshop is not my work. But WOW does it look nice.

It's a '57 Imperial with a '57 Chrysler roof on it. That's pretty subtle! The front bumper is different too, it kind of meets the wheel opening like a '60 Imperial but it's still a little different.



(57imperial_crown_southampton.jpg)



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-22 1:11 AM (#563804 - in reply to #531609)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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I tried to create a copper & black '57 Windsor as I am going to paint mine, but copper is a hard color to get right. It's close, but still a little off.



(Copper-Black Windsor.jpg)



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-05-22 1:37 AM (#563805 - in reply to #563799)
Subject: RE: FL Photoshops



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Substitute "charcoal" (metallic black) for the black accent color.
You get the same effect, just slightly softened, visually. Black is
good, but tends to compliment more primary colors better, like
red or turquoise, than it does the more pastel shades.
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