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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358    Location: Lower Mainland BC | Anybody have any details (photos, links, etc) on how the 53 Dodge Coronet V8 functional hood scoop actually worked (as in the ducting towards the aircleaner or...)?? I look at the hood ornament on my 56 Dodge and notice the potential for a functional hood scoop that is too enticing to ignore.  (56DodgeCustomRoyalD500PotentialHoodScoop.jpg) Attachments ----------------  56DodgeCustomRoyalD500PotentialHoodScoop.jpg (95KB - 822 downloads) | ||
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| StillOutThere |
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  Location: Under the X in Texas | Photo of the engine compartment of a '53 Coronet I owned about 17 years ago. There was no special ducting or anything of the sort. Don't read too much into what the marketing and advertising departments write into the sales brochures. (53Dodge7.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 53Dodge7.jpg (187KB - 825 downloads) | ||
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| Lancer Mike |
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Lancer Mike - 2017-01-29 6:11 PM So you are thinking of cutting a hole in your '56 hood? I can't imagine a hole in the hood would have any effect on performance - might look cool though! It seems like you would have to fabricate a direct intake into the air cleaner to make it function. Still, I don't know if you would see a performance difference... Yeah, that is the idea that I am toying with. I am going to take the big chrome bit off anyway when the weather gets better and I paint the top of the hood. While I am there I might cut a hole behind the louvered "scoop" portion. The trick would be running a cold air duct from the (hidden) hood "scoop" to the air cleaner. Obstacles in the way include the radiator support bulk head and the radiator. Both of my other two cars (Audis) have factory cold air induction. Inlet scoops at/through the rad support and then ducting to the air cleaner (box). Knowing that cold air is better for performance and see that potential scoop on the 56 is very enticing. I would probably have to go to a snorkel type air cleaner and create ducting with fiberglass over a foam core. Probably just a pipe dream. But an enticing one to me. The 1993 UrS4 line-line 5 20 valve 350 hp turbo:  The 1994 UrS4 32 Valve 4.2L V8:  Lock carrier (rad support) 101: http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/61928.phtml | ||
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| 1960fury |
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2017-05-21 1:05 PM Lancer Mike - 2017-01-29 6:11 PM it certainly has a positive effect on performance and efficiency if you can somehow direct the incoming air to the carb. cold air makes more power, engine idles smoother. the ram effect is proven too but only at higher speeds. not a big fan of cutting in original parts but that would be too hard to resist considering the benefits and look of it. i'm using a cold/ram air system in my golden commando fury and highly recommend that. So you are thinking of cutting a hole in your '56 hood? I can't imagine a hole in the hood would have any effect on performance - might look cool though! great find by the way dave! i didn't know about that and that in an early 50s car! I just scored a very nice 56 Dodge hood ornament on eBay and was polishing it up nicely yesterday, looking at the "scoop". Thanks for replying. It's serving as a memory jog. On my recent trip to California, at one low key/ad hoc "Ruby's" parking lot car show, there was a 55 chev with a later fuel injected V8 and it had a cold air intake through the rad support. My car isn't that important that I couldn't put a hole in the rad support if I wanted to. Dave F. (55ChevyWithColdAirInduction.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 55ChevyWithColdAirInduction.jpg (131KB - 847 downloads) | ||
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| 1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7543 Location: northern germany | heres the system i put on my ex 61 desoto coupe. went 130+ easily with the high mileage factory detuned low compression 361. (desoto17.jpg) (desoto16.jpg) Attachments ---------------- desoto17.jpg (89KB - 811 downloads) desoto16.jpg (69KB - 807 downloads) | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2017-05-21 5:12 PM heres the system i put on my ex 61 desoto coupe. went 130+ easily with the high mileage factory detuned low compression 361. Very nice. Very nice indeed.  | ||
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| BigBlockMopar |
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | BigBlockMopar - 2017-05-22 5:06 AM That last pic, I could have sworn that's the front of a '59 Buick Electra... Interesting thought. Both have canted dual headlights (but the angles are different) 1961 Desoto canted headlights (quite vertical)  1959 Buick (canted but laid down more than the Desoto (or Chyrsler)):  1961 Chrysler:  | ||
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| 57burb |
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Expert Posts: 3969 Location: DFW, TX | I don't think you could just put a "tube" that leads from the hood scoop, over the radiator, and up to the snorkel air cleaner. What would you have when opening the hood? A big dangly dryer hose? :D Maybe you could create an inlet tract that would form a seal when the hood is closed. I'm building a scoop for the hood of my Chrysler. I haven't decided yet if it will be "functional," as most that you think would be, actually are not. The engine compartment can build a lot of pressure in cars with open grilles. At certain speeds, air can actually come out of an open scoop. It's further along than this, but gives you an idea. (20170402_144621.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20170402_144621.jpg (192KB - 831 downloads) | ||
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| Powerflite |
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| 57burb |
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Expert Posts: 3969 Location: DFW, TX | Nathan, the scoop is made from the center section of an old Jeep hood. (1.JPG) (3.jpg) (4.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.JPG (169KB - 789 downloads) 3.jpg (242KB - 816 downloads) 4.jpg (216KB - 830 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10067 Location: So. Cal | Very resourceful, I like it. | ||
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| LD3 Greg |
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Expert Posts: 1906 Location: Ontario, Canada | Powerflite - 2017-05-23 12:50 PM Very resourceful, I like it. :) Here is one for the 57/58 Dodge guys. "Factory" racing team?? Who knows?? Greg (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (186KB - 810 downloads) | ||
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| LD3 Greg |
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Expert Posts: 1906 Location: Ontario, Canada | |||
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| 1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7543 Location: northern germany | 56D500boy - 2017-05-21 8:02 PM 1960fury - 2017-05-21 5:12 PM heres the system i put on my ex 61 desoto coupe. went 130+ easily with the high mileage factory detuned low compression 361. Very nice. Very nice indeed. :) thanks, these cars push a lot of air at high speeds and i like the idea that some of that pressurised air is used as an advantage. it works just great. heres the system in my 60 fury coupe. i had troubles with blown air box seals above 130 mph. (disregard the blue blob:) (ramairk1.jpg) (ramairk2.jpg) (ramairk3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ramairk1.jpg (130KB - 794 downloads) ramairk2.jpg (106KB - 779 downloads) ramairk3.jpg (81KB - 802 downloads) | ||
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| Swept57 |
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Expert Posts: 3969 Location: DFW, TX | User Mike P used a scoop from a '63 Thunderbird to clear the air cleaner on his '57 sedan. (more pics on this thread) (PLy hood scoop.JPG) Attachments ---------------- PLy hood scoop.JPG (50KB - 803 downloads) | ||
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| Chrome58 |
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| 1960fury |
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| LD3 Greg |
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Expert Posts: 1906 Location: Ontario, Canada | LD3 Greg - 2017-05-25 11:52 PM Swept57 - 2017-05-24 9:08 AM LD3 Greg - 2017-05-23 11:54 PM Powerflite - 2017-05-23 12:50 PM Very resourceful, I like it. :) Here is one for the 57/58 Dodge guys. "Factory" racing team?? Who knows?? Greg That is Norm Thatcher's D-501. Yeah, it is Norm Thatchers car but is it a super D or a 501? Greg I meant to include this. (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (118KB - 789 downloads) | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | These 1956 Dodge hood eBay photos don't make it easier to resist cutting and air scoop slot.   Just sayin'  | ||
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| BigBlockMopar |
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Expert Posts: 3575 Location: Netherlands | "Forward looking air scoops"... (get it? ) need to be at the very front of a hood. Airscoops that are positioned halfway down and in the center of a hood aren't very effective as there's not much airpressure in that area. Fast flowing air encountering the hood tends to curve up a little higher then the hood itself in the center, only to come 'down' again near the windshield, where it's swooped up again over the roof of the car.  | ||
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| 1960fury |
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2017-05-29 6:33 AM the best location for a ramair inlet funnel is the front of the car. Found this Cool Air Induction "Soup up your car" article (partial) and advert in the Aug. 56 Issue of Car Life. I am liking the cable operated flapper valve that you could leave closed if the weather was real cold but open up on the highway in the summer/spring/fall. Edited by 56D500boy 2018-02-21 9:06 PM (CarLifeAug1956_CoolAirInduction2_small.jpg) (CarLifeAug1956_CoolAirInduction3_small.jpg) Attachments ---------------- CarLifeAug1956_CoolAirInduction2_small.jpg (232KB - 731 downloads) CarLifeAug1956_CoolAirInduction3_small.jpg (223KB - 753 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6575 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | hmmm (my58wagsm2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- my58wagsm2.jpg (7KB - 734 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3969 Location: DFW, TX | Here is a pic of it in primer. (20626411_1764356726926452_8919535165975749954_o.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20626411_1764356726926452_8919535165975749954_o.jpg (57KB - 745 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3969 Location: DFW, TX | . (scoop.jpg) Attachments ---------------- scoop.jpg (248KB - 719 downloads) | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Looking real good. Looks very factory, like they should have done it that way from the get-go. I like it. | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | I've always liked the look of the "Cadillac" style air cleaner. This one has been modified with two snorkels that car begging for connection to ducting through the rad support.  Vaguely like the Ford Fairlaine Thunderbolt intake  | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 56D500boy - 2018-03-07 12:17 PM I've always liked the look of the "Cadillac" style air cleaner. This one has been modified with two snorkels that car begging for connection to ducting through the rad support. Vaguely like the Ford Fairlaine Thunderbolt intake. I found one of those Cadillac style air cleaners at the local Chevy/Ford Old Car Centre. Two diameters. The smallest was about 16" diameter and might clear my PS pump. BUT then I realized that my battery is in the way of the possibility of twin ducts. Using this as the idea: What years have a single snorkle paper filter air cleaner with a 4 7/32" throat to fit on a WCFB 4 bbl carb? Something like this on a 58 Plymouth suburban wagon? Edited by 56D500boy 2018-03-11 2:41 PM (1958PlymouthSuburban_04_700.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1958PlymouthSuburban_04_700.jpg (71KB - 725 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3969 Location: DFW, TX | Two thoughts. First, your stock '56 315 engine would get more than enough cool air from a single duct. I am sure two would satisfy your OCD though.  Second, ducting from the core support bypasses the need for a 'functional' scoop on the hood.  | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 57burb - 2018-03-12 10:00 AM Two thoughts. First, your stock '56 315 engine would get more than enough cool air from a single duct. I am sure two would satisfy your OCD though. Second, ducting from the core support bypasses the need for a 'functional' scoop on the hood. :bleh: Agree with both comments (well, except the OCD insinuation ) With a single snorkel air cleaner, I could run the ducting to a new hole in the rad support along this pathway: (DForgies56D500EngineBayShowingPotentialPathForColdAirDuctingToRadSupport.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DForgies56D500EngineBayShowingPotentialPathForColdAirDuctingToRadSupport.jpg (242KB - 789 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 56D500boy - 2018-03-12 1:06 PM With a single snorkel air cleaner, I could run the ducting to a new hole in the rad support along this pathway: And then through the bulkhead and onto a scoop that would be fed from the grill area as illustrated below: (56DodgeRadSupportBulkhead_Annotated.jpg) (56DodgeFrontGrill_AnnotedToShowPotentialLocationForHiddenAirScoop.jpg) (4inchTo3inchReducer.jpg) (PotentialBehindGrillInletBoot.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56DodgeRadSupportBulkhead_Annotated.jpg (211KB - 785 downloads) 56DodgeFrontGrill_AnnotedToShowPotentialLocationForHiddenAirScoop.jpg (162KB - 718 downloads) 4inchTo3inchReducer.jpg (24KB - 731 downloads) PotentialBehindGrillInletBoot.jpg (38KB - 725 downloads) | ||
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| 1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7543 Location: northern germany | requires some fabrication but without a doubt i'd use the "opening" under the hood chrome and extend the entry under the hood (if theres enough room above the radiator) then fabricate an a/c housing with a large square funnel like inlet* that faces the hood cold air "channel". maybe the required gap between hood and a/c hsg could be sealed with foam, not easy but doable. that chrome thingy looks too tempting as an air grabber * like air box model 14x3S here: http://www.ramairbox.com/models.html that square funnel you posted above, less favorable. try to avoid sudden transition from large to small (inlet to engine outlet) make it smooth, helps ramming the air. Edited by 1960fury 2018-03-12 9:23 PM (14x3s.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 14x3s.jpg (2KB - 714 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10358 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2018-03-12 9:14 PM looking at the 56 again... when using the hood/chrome as a cold air inlet you got 2 options, one is aesthetically more pleasing but the opening would be a bit too small, if you cut the hood under the chrome not further than the teeth in the chrome, or slightly short. it would give the teeth a grill-like, factory original appearance. the other is to create a bigger opening, but not sure how it would look like with the teeth hanging in the air. I had a look at the rad support this afternoon and it comes up tight to the hood obviously. To run the toothed factory "scoop" I would have to create a notch in the rad support. But I couldn't go too deep because of the rad top tank. I think going through the bulkhead like you did would be a better way to go. Thanks also for the lead on "ram-air" boxes. The other way to go might be a 59-61 383 Air cleaner, if 4 1/8" for an AFB is really the same as 4 7/32" for a WCFB. (59-61GoldenLionAirCleaner.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 59-61GoldenLionAirCleaner.jpg (174KB - 700 downloads) | ||
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