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Location: Central Alberta | On kijiji Edmonton:
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/edmonton/1959-chrysler-saratoga...
1959 Chrysler Saratoga 2 door hardtop for sale, 361 V8 automatic, rebuilt powertrain,
new exhaust, original interior, 100,820 miles, asking CAN $ 8500,oo
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Interesting, he states it has a 361. In Canada the 59 Windsor came with a 361, the Saratoga came with a low block 383. |
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Location: Oley, PA | imopar380 - 2017-08-25 1:00 PM
Interesting, he states it has a 361. In Canada the 59 Windsor came with a 361, the Saratoga came with a low block 383.
Yeah, I'd guess either the engine has been replaced or he's misidentified it.
Looks like a decent car for the price, assuming the body is solid underneath that flat black paint. At today's exchange rates, that's about $6,800 in US dollars.
Is every 59 Chrysler missing the plastic insert on the hood medallion? I've been looking for one for my 59 for a while with no luck.
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Location: Central Alberta | Seams very reasonably priced for a 2 door `59 driver.
Is there an easy way to tell a 361 from 383 in those years, like an obvious, easy to spot difference. ( Like between a 383 and a 440 in the sixties)
Or does one have to find and know the numbers on the block?
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The best way to check what model year and size of the engine in the car is by the engine number. The engine number is stamped on the right side of the block below the distributor, or on the left side of the block behind the thermostat housing.
If the engine is a US 1959 engine, the engine number will be M-36 (361), ML-38 (B block 3838) or MR-38 (RB block 383). This was followed by the date the engine was built (month / day).
Canadian 1959 engines were MC1 for the 361 or MC2 for the 383. Next came the sequential production number and at the end the letter "C" was stamped. Both engines were B block in Canada.
If you find anything else stamped in either location, let me know and I'll let you know what you have.
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Location: Houston | I don't think there would be any way other than numbers (or measuring the bore)
Actually, I once had an old timer who worked in a speed shop tell me of a trick they used to use - if a customer came in not knowing the difference between a 361 and 383, they would simply remove the cylinder heads and lay one of Granny's flapjacks on top of a piston*. If it covered the entire piston with no room to spare, it was a 361. If there was still room to fit the end of Uncle Jed's** pipe between the edge of the flapjack and the cylinder wall, they knew it was a 383.
*This was done for a set price of $200 and done on one piston only. If the customer was a die hard racer and wanted all 8 pistons checked, it was extra.
** This was his own Uncle Jed, not the more famous Uncle Jed of Beverly Hills fame. I don't want to imply that this operation had any sort of celebrity endorsement. It wouldn't be for 50 more years that celebrities became automotive experts based on their hairstyle, tattoo count, and level of ****iness.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Chrycoman - 2017-08-25 10:55 PM
The best way to check what model year and size of the engine in the car is by the engine number. The engine number is stamped on the right side of the block below the distributor, or on the left side of the block behind the thermostat housing.
If the engine is a US 1959 engine, the engine number will be M-36 (361), ML-38 (B block 3838) or MR-38 (RB block 383). This was followed by the date the engine was built (month / day).
Canadian 1959 engines were MC1 for the 361 or MC2 for the 383. Next came the sequential production number and at the end the letter "C" was stamped. Both engines were B block in Canada.
If you find anything else stamped in either location, let me know and I'll let you know what you have.
Interesting on the Canadian identification Bill. The original engine in my ex-1960 Canadian built Polara is stamped PC1-9193C which indicates Chrysler Windsor....361 cubic inch. ( 361 was standard on the Canadian Polara) Any comments on why it would be stamped PC1 Chrysler ID instead of PD2, which is the Polara ID?
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The change to the engine number prefixes occurred during the 1958 model year. At the beginning of the year the V8 engine prefixes were LD3, LS2, and LC2. But somewhere along the line Chrysler decided to streamline their numbering and have all 354 V8 engines for the cars begin with LC2.
The 1958 Canadian parts book mentions that cars LD3 and LC2 used 2-bbl carburetor 2733S on the 354 V8 for the model year while LS2 used 2-bbl carburetor 2733S on all except engine numbers LC2V-1300C to LC2V-1526C. The exception numbers used carburetor 2621SA.
And the 4-bbl models (Power Pack option) used 2686S was used on LS2 models engine numbers LC2V-1300C to LC2V-1526C. All engines for the LS2 prior to LC2V-1300C and from LC2V-1527C to LC2V-16581C used carburetor 2650S. After LC2V-16581C the LS2 4-bbl 354 engine used carburetor 2805S. Models LD3 and LC2 used 2650S up to LC2V-16581C and 2805S after.
I have a copy (somewhere) of a bill of sale for a 1958 Dodge Custom Royal, and it quotes the engine number - LD3-xxxx. But is appears to be an early model.
So, sometime during 1958 all 354 engines starting using engine number prefix LC2. The bill of sale did not have the "V" in the engine number so that is up in the air.
For 1958, Canadian Plymouth V8 (LP2-) production was 10,660, Dodge (LE2-) was 9,158, DeSoto Firedome (LS2-) 1,070, and Chrysler Windsor (LC2-) 2,801. Total 1958 model year production for V8 models - 23,689. No idea how many truck V8 engines were built.
Also, all V8 engines were in the same production number sequence. Thus engine number LC2-11234 may have gone into model LS2 while LC2-11235 went into LD3, LV-11236 into LE2, and LC2-11237 went into model LC2. And this continued on through to and including 1965.
The 1959 prefixes -
M - 251-cid flathead six - Plymouth (MP1) and Dodge (ME1)
MV - 313-cid V8 - Plymouth (MP2) and Dodge (ME2)
MC1 - 361-V8 - Dodge Custom Royal (MD3), Chrysler Windsor (MC1)
MC2 - 383-V8 - DeSoto Firedome (MS2), Chrysler Windsor (MC2)
For 1960 -
QX - Valiant 170-cid six
P - Plymouth and Dodge Dart 225-cid six
PV - Plymouth and Dodge Dart 313-V8
PV-HP- Plymouth and Dodge Dart 361 V8
PC1 - Dodge Polara and Chrysler Windsor 361 V8
PC2 - DeSoto Adventurer and Chrysler Saratoga 383 V8
For 1961 - changed the model year from Q and P to R
RX - Valiant 170-cid six
R - Plymouth and Dodge Dart 225-cid six
RV - Plymouth and Dodge Dart 313-V8
RV-HP- Plymouth and Dodge Dart 361 V8
RC1 - Chrysler Windsor 361 V8
RC2 - Chrysler Saratoga 383 V8
No more Dodge Polara and DeSoto in Canada for 1961.
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