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brdtee
Posted 2017-10-18 6:43 AM (#550531)
Subject: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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Looks like the cars built in west coast had different style of body/cowl tags. There seems to be several topics about decoding these but I thought it could be useful to gather WCD-LA specific details under one topic. Maybe by comparing our cars' codes we could solve also the rest of the tags.



SG = Solex Glass, number below determines which type of solex glass package was ordered

EW = Electric Windows, marking below means the car had electric windows ordered

M1 - M6 = Option package groups. For example M5 package had solex glass so the car had these even the SG is empty.

SEQ NO = ?? sequence number. What sequence is this?

SO = Scheduled build date, first 1-2 numbers are the month, second 1-2 numbers are the day.

NO = ?? number obviously, but what does it mean? Some say it's the following car on the production line, some say that it counts how many cars were built before the same day/month/year. Who knows for sure? Maybe we could just list NO from our cars and try to guess what is the most probably explanation?

MODEL = Tells the car's model.

Chryslers
C751 = Windsor
C76 = New Yorker

BT = Body type. 2d Hardtop, 4d Sedan etc.

Chryslers
1145 = Windsor 4d sedan
1166 = New Yorker 2d HT


DeSotos
3145 4-door sedan
3146 2-dr Sportsman
3148 Shopper station wagon
3149 4-dr Sportsman

PT = Paint. One letter = single color, two letters = Top + Body, three letters = Top + Body + Sweep/Fins/Lower body. For 1957 DeSoto colors check this website (click).

TR = Trim. For Chrysler 1957 interiors check this thread (click). For DeSoto 1957 interiors check this website (click).

SP = ?? Might be a special order?

WCD-LA = West Coast Division, Los Angeles

 

 

ADD YOUR CAR'S INFO BELOW. Aand of course other details of the codes, I'll update new infos to this first post as long as editing is possible.

 

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Edited by brdtee 2017-10-18 2:56 PM
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brdtee
Posted 2017-10-18 6:44 AM (#550532 - in reply to #550531)
Subject: Re: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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My car is a 1957 Chrysler Windsor 4d Sedan. It has radio, heater, wiper & washer, solex glass all around, automatic transmission, power steering, power brakes, left & right fender mirrors, whitewalls, optional sweep two-tone and it has had some kind of a rear window defroster in the middle and speaker grilles on both sides in the back (this is strange). Not sure which belong to a package.

Tag says:


SG =
EW =
M1 =
M2 =
M3 =
M4 =
M5 = 1 = Option package.
M6 =
SEQ NO = 2407
SO = 814 = August 14th 1957
NO = 0199
MODEL = C751 = Windsor
BT = 1145
PT = XRX = Cloud White top, Regimental Red body, Cloud White side sweep.
TR = 055 = Tan Decorated Damask & Beige Saddle Grained Vinyl. (damask is brown with tan decorations, it's not mentioned in decoding guides but seen on the fabric selector books)
SP =

Edited by brdtee 2017-10-18 1:48 PM
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-10-18 1:32 PM (#550547 - in reply to #550531)
Subject: RE: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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Good idea Heikki.

My '57 New Yorker has:

electric windows, rear speaker, signal-seeking radio, power steering, power brakes, power seats, washer, dual rear antennae, heater, left & right fender mirrors, rubber steering wheel (standard), no hood or fender ornaments, 2-tone white roof only.

The tag says:

SG =
EW = 5 Electric windows, but are other things included in this 5 number?
M1 = 4
M2 = 9
M3 =
M4 =
M5 =
M6 =
SEQ NO = ??902
SO = 1228 = Dec 28th 1956
NO = 0112
MODEL = C76 = New Yorker
BT = 1166 2dr hardtop, sky high rear window
PT = XAA = Cloud White top, Black body and Black side sweep
TR = 026 = Black/White/Gold fabric with gray vinyl
SP =

I will verify all this when I get home tonight. Going off a picture isn't always reliable.

Edited by Powerflite 2017-10-18 4:40 PM
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-10-18 1:43 PM (#550548 - in reply to #550547)
Subject: RE: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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My '57 Windsor has:

tinted windows, electric seat, standard radio, power steering, power brakes, dual rear antennae, heater, left fender mirror, 2-tone plastic/rubber deluxe steering wheel, no hood or fender ornaments, 2-tone copper roof & sweep.

The tag says:

SG = 5 tinted windows (solex glass)
EW =
M1 = 4
M2 =
M3 =
M4 =
M5 =
M6 =
SEQ NO = 1402
SO = 0524 = May 24th 1957
NO = 0114
MODEL = C751 = Windsor
BT = 1146 2dr hardtop, small back window
PT = NLN = Copper Brown top, Desert Beige body and Copper Brown side sweep
TR = 055
SP =

I will verify all this when I get home tonight. Going off a picture isn't always reliable.

Edited by Powerflite 2017-10-18 4:37 PM
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-10-18 1:47 PM (#550549 - in reply to #550531)
Subject: Re: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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Both my cars have M1=4, but yours doesn't. So what do my cars have in common, that yours doesn't have?

Answer: power seat & dual rear antennae

So M1=4 could be either of these options. My guess is it is probably the power seat.

Edited by Powerflite 2017-10-18 1:48 PM
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brdtee
Posted 2017-10-18 1:55 PM (#550550 - in reply to #550549)
Subject: Re: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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Powerflite - 2017-10-18 8:47 PM

Both my cars have M1=4, but yours doesn't. So what do my cars have in common, that yours doesn't have?

Answer: power seat & dual rear antennae

So M1=4 could be either of these options. My guess is it is probably the power seat.


From previous talks with other '57 owners I would say that all M's might be packages that contain more than one optional equipment and each M can have different number below it so there are plenty of variations. Some of these options might be contained in several different M-packages. But this is not a fact, just a lucky guess. Probably Power seat belongs to "M1=4" but not to "M5=1".

Dual rear antennaes might not be at all listed in factory tag because thay might have been an option meant to be installed by dealer.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-10-18 2:35 PM (#550551 - in reply to #550531)
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I wouldn't think the dual rear antenna would be a dealer installed option. Those holes would be a nightmare to cut without a jig, and that jig would likely ruin the paint job.

Edited by Powerflite 2017-10-18 2:37 PM
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brdtee
Posted 2017-10-18 2:48 PM (#550552 - in reply to #550551)
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Powerflite - 2017-10-18 9:35 PM

I wouldn't think the dual rear antenna would be a dealer installed option. Those holes would be a nightmare to cut without a jig, and that jig would likely ruin the paint job.


That's a good point. I might be thinking too fordist-like here as I know in late 50s Fords rear antennas were usually dealer installation such as spotlights and front fender mirrors and many other dress-ups. Not sure what was the policy on Chrysler Corp.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-10-18 4:11 PM (#550557 - in reply to #550531)
Subject: RE: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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I will add tag info from my 1958 Dodge Coronet since it may have similar type of codes.

My '58 Coronet has:

tinted windows, standard radio, deluxe interior, power steering, 3 speed auto, manual brakes, heater, left fender mirror, 2-tone plastic deluxe steering wheel (probably packaged with the deluxe interior option), no hood or fender ornaments.

The tag says:

SG = 4 How is this different from an SG=5?
EW =
M1 =
M2 =
M3 =
M4 =
M5 = 1 Why would it have this along with the SG demarcation?
M6 =
SEQ NO = Blank!
SO = 0307 = March 7th 1958 (but not a spring special!)
NO = 5036
MODEL = LD2L = Coronet V8, low price class
BT = 332 2dr hardtop
PT = XXX = All white
TR = 141 = Light Green fabric weave with green vinyl
SP =

Edited by Powerflite 2017-10-18 4:14 PM
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brdtee
Posted 2017-10-19 4:35 AM (#550590 - in reply to #550557)
Subject: RE: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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Powerflite - 2017-10-18 11:11 PM
SG = 4 How is this different from an SG=5?


I think the number after SG indicates which windows were solex glass as it wasn't just on/off kind of option. I recall seeing some topic about this earlier where SG=5 was meaning all windows had solex and smaller numbers meant some of the windows were standard.
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Chrome58
Posted 2017-10-19 2:10 PM (#550615 - in reply to #550531)
Subject: RE: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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Here is mine :

1958 Plymouth Belvedere 2-door hardtop
318 V8 2-bbl
LP2L 14089

That's about all I know about the car, since it was disassembled, and I have no idea of the original options.

SG =
EW =
M1 =
M2 =
M3 =
M4 =
M5 =
M6 =
SEQ NO =
SO = 1206 (December 6th, 1957)
NO = 3094
MODEL = LP2H (Belvedere V8)
BT = 252 (Belvedere V8 Sport Coupe)
PT = EXE (Two tone Iceberg / White Misty Green, with Sportone)
TR152 (?)
SP =




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LD3 Greg
Posted 2017-10-20 12:31 AM (#550649 - in reply to #550590)
Subject: RE: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags


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Let me first say I don't know anything about LA built cars but I can decode 57 Detroit built Dodges. Three solex codes were used. --4 was solex glass all around except convertible. --5 was solex glass all around with the top tinted windshield. --7 was solex tint convertible. In other words, a convert could be ordered with plain glass and if "solex" was ordered it only came with a top tinted windshield and solex glass all around.

LA didn't build converts so I would assume --4 and --5 would apply as I listed above.

For 58 Detroit built Dodges it was simpler. --5 was solex windshield only and --7 was solex glass all around and a top tinted windshield.

How this fits with LA cars I don't know but I would have to assume it will fit somehow!

Greg

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RDP
Posted 2019-05-05 12:02 PM (#581806 - in reply to #550531)
Subject: Re: Decoding of 1957 Los Angeles tags



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brdtee - 2017-10-18 12:43 PM
M1 - M6 = Option package groups. For example M5 package had solex glass so the car had these even the SG is empty.



I know, it's an old thread,
my car tag has M5-1, solex glass (all window), and SG option area is empty (466 solex glass in the build card)
may this info will be useful to someone
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