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albjerryg
Posted 2018-04-11 2:44 PM (#561407)
Subject: 1958 Saratoga Push Button


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Hi I am new to the forum and I have a 1958 Chrysler Saratoga 2 door hardtop. I just got it so I don't know much about it. I did notice the push button was sticking a little. Is it possible to remove the cover and spray with a lubricant and try to make the buttons move a little easier. Thanks For any Help...Jerry



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56D500boy
Posted 2018-04-11 3:42 PM (#561412 - in reply to #561407)
Subject: RE: 1958 Saratoga Push Button



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Nice car. We need some real, non-glamour, photos.

As for your shifter, I strongly suggest that you go to this website:

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=109

Find the 1958 Chrysler and Imperial service manual and download and save it (It will go into your Download Directory). When it is finished downloading, open it up and save it in the directory of your choice.

While it is open go to Section XI - transmission (starts at page 262/504) and page down to page 296/504 where there is a specific section on "Servicing the Gearshift Control Unit".

Beware of the need to disconnect the battery before going in there. (Because of the back-up light and starter switches)

Good luck.

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kenbiello
Posted 2018-04-11 5:39 PM (#561416 - in reply to #561407)
Subject: Re: 1958 Saratoga Push Button


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is this the one that was on Ebay for a while? 331 ci Hemi I think?
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albjerryg
Posted 2018-04-11 5:47 PM (#561417 - in reply to #561412)
Subject: RE: 1958 Saratoga Push Button


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I have a book 1958 Chrysler service Manuel. I will read over that section. Thanks Jerry


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albjerryg
Posted 2018-04-11 5:50 PM (#561419 - in reply to #561407)
Subject: Re: 1958 Saratoga Push Button


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Yes I think it was the one on Ebay. jerry
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-04-11 5:59 PM (#561420 - in reply to #561407)
Subject: Re: 1958 Saratoga Push Button



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You can attempt to lubricate them just from removing the front panel, but it depends on what is causing it to stick. Most likely the problem lies on the inside, but you can't access the main areas where the mechanisms slide unless you go from underneath, which is a little tricky to access. I think that in the end, it would be better to just remove it first. You can get it mostly out without removing the cable, which should allow you to lubricate it without changing the adjustment on it.
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albjerryg
Posted 2018-04-11 7:10 PM (#561422 - in reply to #561420)
Subject: Re: 1958 Saratoga Push Button


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More information. Just got the car so I am just looking over it more closely. What it is the D only come out about half way as the others but it is in drive. The other button all work fine. So maybe I will try spraying the insides???? Also I could not find the cowl tag looked on the radiator support and the back firewall. I guess it was removed but I did order the IBM card hopefully it will have all the info. Thanks Jerry
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moparwannabe
Posted 2018-04-12 3:28 PM (#561480 - in reply to #561422)
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Congrats to your new car! It looks very nice! Where did you order the IBM card from?
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albjerryg
Posted 2018-04-12 5:14 PM (#561489 - in reply to #561480)
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Go to this site it tell you how to order....http://www.fcanorthamerica.com/company/Heritage/Heritage%20Documents/Chrysler%20Historical%20Services/Build_Record_Order_Form.pdf
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-04-12 5:28 PM (#561491 - in reply to #561489)
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albjerryg - 2018-04-12 5:14 PM

Go to this site it tell you how to order....

http://www.fcanorthamerica.com/company/Heritage/Heritage%20Document...



Links aren't live unless you force a carriage return after you post the link.

Just sayin'

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56D500boy
Posted 2018-04-14 11:09 AM (#561605 - in reply to #561422)
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albjerryg - 2018-04-11 7:10 PM

More information. Just got the car so I am just looking over it more closely. What it is the D only come out about half way as the others but it is in drive. The other button all work fine. So maybe I will try spraying the insides???? Also I could not find the cowl tag looked on the radiator support and the back firewall. I guess it was removed but I did order the IBM card hopefully it will have all the info. Thanks Jerry


Just adding this info:

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wizard
Posted 2018-04-14 1:18 PM (#561610 - in reply to #561407)
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Remove the front plate and check if the prongs or the plastic buttons are damaged. If not, on the 57-59 models it's not a difficult task to remove the complete unit with the Cable still in Place. That way you can Clean and service the unit "in car"
Even possible to remove the Cable and wires - the adjustments are done at the other end of the Cable, so you won't open a can of Worms.'
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moparwannabe
Posted 2018-04-14 3:18 PM (#561614 - in reply to #561489)
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Thanks Jerry, I'll check that site.
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Islander 62
Posted 2018-04-16 6:45 PM (#561745 - in reply to #561422)
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albjerryg - 2018-04-11 4:10 PM

More information. Just got the car so I am just looking over it more closely. What it is the D only come out about half way as the others but it is in drive. The other button all work fine. So maybe I will try spraying the insides???? Also I could not find the cowl tag looked on the radiator support and the back firewall. I guess it was removed but I did order the IBM card hopefully it will have all the info. Thanks Jerry


Jerry.....what happens when you push another button?......does it only come halfway out too?....does the 'drive' button come out all the way when another button is pushed......
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albjerryg
Posted 2018-04-21 7:32 AM (#562010 - in reply to #561745)
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All the buttons work correctly. It is only the D button the come out half way. Thanks Jerry
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firedome
Posted 2018-05-12 2:28 PM (#563239 - in reply to #561407)
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Should have a 354 poly, not a 331 (?) hemi, afaik.
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albjerryg
Posted 2018-05-14 7:33 AM (#563330 - in reply to #563239)
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All I know is what I was told when I purchased it. How can you tell???Thanks Jerry



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56D500boy
Posted 2018-05-14 10:54 AM (#563344 - in reply to #563330)
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Nice car but somebody was BSing you Jerry.

331 Hemi History:

This first FirePower engine, used from 1951 to 1955, has a bore of 3.8125 in and a stroke of 3.625 in for a piston displacement of 331 cu in (5.4 L), and a deck height of 10.32" ("low deck"). Most used a two-barrel carburetor and produced 180 bhp (134 kW), with the famous exception of the 1955 Chrysler C-300 equipped with dual Carter WCFB four-barrel carburetors.

The 331 engine was used in the following applications:

1951–1955 Chrysler New Yorker
1951–1954 Chrysler Imperial and 1955 ImperialA
1951 Chrysler Saratoga (optional)
1952 Chrysler Saratoga Club Coupe (optional)
1952 Chrysler Imperial Parade Phaeton
1955 Chrysler C-300
The Chrysler air raid siren. At 138 decibels, it is the loudest siren ever made.[4]

REF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Hemi_engine

By 1957, the only Chrysler hemi was the 392 in the New Yorker. The other Chryslers got the 354 poly.






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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-05-14 11:18 AM (#563346 - in reply to #561407)
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This car clearly has hemi heads though, so an engine ID number will be needed to determine what it is.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-14 1:22 PM (#563350 - in reply to #563344)
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56D500boy - 2018-05-14 7:54 AM

By 1957, the only Chrysler hemi was the 392 in the New Yorker. The other Chryslers got the 354 poly.



Not true Dave. The Imperial and 300 also received the 392 in '57 and '58. Also, large trucks had 331 & 354 hemi's in '57-'59ish. Marine hemis were made in 331 and 354 flavors during those years as well. And finally, Industrial hemis were also made during that time up to 1960ish. I think most of those were 331 size. You also left out these 331 applications in your list, all of which were used before '57 as well.

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56D500boy
Posted 2018-05-14 2:01 PM (#563358 - in reply to #563350)
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Powerflite - 2018-05-14 1:22 PM
56D500boy - 2018-05-14 7:54 AM
By 1957, the only Chrysler hemi was the 392 in the New Yorker. The other Chryslers got the 354 poly.


Not true Dave.


LOL. I knew that I would be corrected in some way.

I was trying to only focus on the 1958 Chryslers (no Imperials) - but yes, I should have included the 300 as a 392 recipient in 1958. As for the 331 hemi, I think we can agree that there were lots of applications outside cars not included in the list I provided (which I copied from the reference I gave). The main point in all this is, a 1958 Chrysler car DID not get a 331 from the factory; either a 354 Poly or a 392 hemi.

As other have suggested, the FCA letter, the IBM card and looking for the engine number on the front of the engine by the oil breather will tell the tale.









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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-14 2:40 PM (#563364 - in reply to #563358)
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I agree. Do you have a high resolution pictures of that motor you can email me? I want to see details about carb linkage, etc.
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-05-14 3:10 PM (#563370 - in reply to #563364)
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Powerflite - 2018-05-14 2:40 PM

I agree. Do you have a high resolution pictures of that motor you can email me? I want to see details about carb linkage, etc.


No, sorry, Nathan. Just this link:

https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1088919/1958-chrysler-392-hemi...

But I did find this:

http://www.hothemiheads.com/hemi_info/hemi_engine_id.html

And specifically:

58 392 Engine Numbers, Application, displacement, barrels, hp:

58N - 1001 1958 New Yorker 392 4 345
58C - 1001 1958 Imperial 392 4 345
58N3 - 1001 1958 300D 392 2-4 380




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albjerryg
Posted 2018-05-16 7:18 AM (#563497 - in reply to #563370)
Subject: Re: 1958 Saratoga Push Button


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will be at my shop today and ill look for an engine number .Thank Jerry
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albjerryg
Posted 2018-05-16 12:31 PM (#563511 - in reply to #563497)
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The engine number is NE5531443. According to the chart and numbers I have it must have come out of a 1955-331 with 250 HP. What does it mean?? Thanks Jerry

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-16 1:15 PM (#563517 - in reply to #561407)
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Your motor is indeed a 331 hemi from a '55 New Yorker.
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Chrycoman
Posted 2018-05-20 9:56 PM (#563729 - in reply to #563344)
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56D500boy - 2018-05-14 10:54 AM

Nice car but somebody was BSing you Jerry.

331 Hemi History:

This first FirePower engine, used from 1951 to 1955, has a bore of 3.8125 in and a stroke of 3.625 in for a piston displacement of 331 cu in (5.4 L), and a deck height of 10.32" ("low deck"). Most used a two-barrel carburetor and produced 180 bhp (134 kW), with the famous exception of the 1955 Chrysler C-300 equipped with dual Carter WCFB four-barrel carburetors.

The 331 engine was used in the following applications:

1951–1955 Chrysler New Yorker
1951–1954 Chrysler Imperial and 1955 ImperialA
1951 Chrysler Saratoga (optional)
1952 Chrysler Saratoga Club Coupe (optional)
1952 Chrysler Imperial Parade Phaeton
1955 Chrysler C-300
The Chrysler air raid siren. At 138 decibels, it is the loudest siren ever made.[4]

REF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Hemi_engine

By 1957, the only Chrysler hemi was the 392 in the New Yorker. The other Chryslers got the 354 poly.



The 1951-1952 Chrysler Saratoga used the 331 hemi on all its models - club coupe, sedan, Town & Country wagon and 8 passenger LWB sedan and limousine. The 331 hemi with 2-bbl carb was the standard, and only, engine in a 1951 or 1952 Chrysler Saratoga. The Saratoga was, briefly, Chrysler's version of the Oldsmobile "88" - big engine in smaller body. Well, the Saratoga was on the Windsor, 125.5" wheelbase, with a hemi under the hood. The New Yorker had a 131½" wheelbase in 1949-52 as did the 1949-50 Saratoga.

I thought, perhaps, you got your information on the Saratoga from an article written by Curtis Redgap at Allpar. Mr. Redgap never explained what engine, if the hemi was an option, was standard on the 1951-52 Saratoga. However, the error is in the Wikipedia article quoted in your post. Strangely, if you click on "Saratoga" in the Wikipedia article, you are taken to a Wikipedia article on Saratoga which gives the correct information.

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