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Posted 2019-07-01 6:52 PM (#584311 - in reply to #561778)
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58Jackie
Posted 2019-07-25 1:25 PM (#585224 - in reply to #561778)
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So I did more adjusting on that trunk latch, finally got it adjusted correctly. Apparently, I wasn't loosening the screws up enough, so that was the problem why it wasn't adjusting. Glad I didn't have to elongate the holes. I'm amazed at how well it turned out compared to how bad it was before. It shuts so nicely and easily now, even better than my daily driver! You can just push down on it and it clicks closed.
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58Jackie
Posted 2019-07-29 12:41 AM (#585344 - in reply to #561778)
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So I need to know the correct stock wheel size. I'm planning on putting aftermarket wheels on my car soon, on the front I'm putting on the exact stock wheel size. The current tires that are mounted on my car are from the 70s, so it was in the days before tire manufacturers printed the tire size on them.
Can someone please go look at their car's tire dimensions for me? That's what I'm after here, the dimensions that are printed on the tire sidewall. Thanks.
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Posted 2019-07-29 1:46 AM (#585347 - in reply to #585344)
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58Jackie - 2019-07-28 9:41 PM The current tires that are mounted on my car are from the 70s, so it was in the days before tire manufacturers printed the tire size on them.


What are you talking about? Even in the 50's there were tire sizes marked on the tire. Just not the way they are today.


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58Jackie
Posted 2019-07-29 2:18 AM (#585348 - in reply to #585347)
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What I meant was that it only gives a letter-number- 14 on the tire. Now they give you all the info size you need printed on it. I wasn't around in the 70s when tires were like that so I had no idea of how to convert it to todays tire sizing.
Thanks for the conversion chart.
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58Jackie
Posted 2019-09-09 12:33 AM (#587283 - in reply to #561778)
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So I got some progress done to her, I dug out a couple pieces of trim that wasn't on my car and installed them, mainly the side trim. It makes her look more like a Belvedere should now, so I'm happy about that.
I didn't have the factory clips for the trim, so I fabricated new ones. For the restorers out there, here is a friendly tip/solution to when you don't have the factory trim wire clips.

I used a simple fender washer (same diameter as trim), flat head fine thread screw and nut. One of the more important things is to make sure its a low profile/flat head screw that you can find or else it'll never fit into the gap provided on the trim where the clip goes. Also get an assortment of washers to see which one fits the best. For the screw, I used ones that were slightly smaller than the holes to allow for adjustability.

I then attached the screw to the inside of the washer and slid it onto the trim. It fits tightly so I recommend using some lube while sliding the new fabricated clip onto the trim; I learned this the hard way when getting the clip stuck. It then slides around easily, a nice thing when getting it aligned on the car. The biggest pain with these is getting the nut on the backside, but you can do it with patience. Once tightened down the clip will no longer slide around and the trim will be very secure. Compared to the factory clips, this actually holds the trim much more firmly onto the car. I noticed a little bit of wiggle/looseness with the trim that's held on with the factory clips.

Again, just a hopefully helpful piece of info for the restorers out there.

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mstrug
Posted 2019-09-09 5:06 AM (#587289 - in reply to #561778)
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Hi Jackie; There are clips out there with threaded studs. Those spring clips were used at the factory for easy of assembly. There may be some you won't be able to get a nut on and the spring clip will work there, a new one won't be as brittle or loose as 60 year old clips. Marc.



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58Jackie
Posted 2019-09-11 1:01 AM (#587357 - in reply to #587289)
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mstrug - 2019-09-09 4:06 AM

Hi Jackie; There are clips out there with threaded studs. Those spring clips were used at the factory for easy of assembly. There may be some you won't be able to get a nut on and the spring clip will work there, a new one won't be as brittle or loose as 60 year old clips. Marc.


Where did you find those threaded clips at Marc?
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mstrug
Posted 2019-09-11 6:54 AM (#587363 - in reply to #561778)
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Here are a few:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=si...

https://www.auveco.com/chrysler

https://www.google.com/search?q=BODY+SIDE+CLIPS+NUTS+AUVECO&client=f...

https://www.clipsandfasteners.com/automotive-clips-s/219.htm?searchi...

https://www.clipsandfasteners.com/Fasteners-s/90.htm?searching=Y&sor...

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Posted 2019-09-11 7:12 AM (#587364 - in reply to #561778)
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https://www.bresco.com/

https://www.vintagepartsource.com/bodytrim.htm

http://www.allensfasteners.com/search_results.asp?iLevel=2&subcat=3...

http://www.hillcofasteners.com/cat/Automotive-Clips-and-Fasteners/U...

https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mercury_passenger/universal-mould...

https://cliphouse.com/clipsandfassteners.aspx

https://www.autofastco.net/universal_mldg_fasteners.html

https://www.oreillyauto.com/search?q=universal+clip+moulding

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=10433556&jsn=14&_nck=Ekt...

https://www.rockauto.com/en/tools/body,retainer+/+clip,molding+retai...

https://www.zoro.com/auto-body-doctor-molding-clip-chrysler-10-24x34...

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58Jackie
Posted 2020-01-16 6:14 PM (#593055 - in reply to #561778)
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So i need a few of you to chime in with photos please. What i need is a pics of what the factory keys look like so i can get new ones made. No, i do not have my cars keys, getting new ones made but I'd like to see what the factory design of them look like so my new ones look close to original as possible.
I know that some of you may be wondering what happened here, long story, but i havent had her keys since I've owned her. I bought my car from John at Big M, and from what John told me is that some kids must've came and stole the keys cause he couldnt find them. I searched the entire car, taking out/looking under the back seat, everything, and no keys to be found.

Now fast forward, I have been cleaning up her motor, the 318 Poly, and getting her ready to fire up. But now i am in obvious need of the last thing, the keys!
So if some of you could please show me a photo of what the original keys look like so i can have new ones made that would be greatly appreciated. I'm not sure if the design of the keys differ from a Dodge, etc. to my 58 Belvedere or not? Also, i'd like to see a photo of the ignition switch as the slot on mine is facing downward, I'm unsure if this is correct or not?
Thanks, it will be greatly appreciated.
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Posted 2020-01-16 7:23 PM (#593061 - in reply to #561778)
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Originals were made from aluminum, but I don't recommend them. They won't last for everyday use, or in the winter time. New brass reproductions have a forwardlook symbol like some of the original applications (depending on the car). And there are specialty keys on Ebay too. A '70's key will work in a forwardlook ignition switch without any issues, but the problem is with the door locks. The newer design key won't engage the old door locks all the way so they won't work. Key design changed slightly in the early '60's and again in 1968. The only place I have found to get original style key blanks that work in the doors is from ebay or a key blank source online. Look at the link at the end of the forwardlook page for an example.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHRYSLER-FORWARD-LOOK-Logo-KEY-Blank-SET-19...

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7743
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58Jackie
Posted 2020-01-28 5:24 PM (#593530 - in reply to #561778)
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Anyone else? Please????????? I do really need to see a couple photos of the ignition/door lock keys to get a reference both for me and the locksmith. Just need to see the head design of it. Thanks.
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mstrug
Posted 2020-01-28 8:08 PM (#593533 - in reply to #561778)
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MOPAR-DODGE-DESOTO-OEM-TRUNK-GLOVEB...
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. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-1958-MOPAR-Pentastar-KEY-blank-SET-Ply...


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mstrug
Posted 2020-01-28 8:13 PM (#593535 - in reply to #561778)
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Ignition: " These are Grv. 26 keys,"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Mopar-Dodge-Plymouth-Chrysler-Key-Blank...

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Posted 2020-01-28 8:16 PM (#593536 - in reply to #561778)
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Part Brand:
Ilco or Briggs & Stratton For Chrysler Corporation
Surface Finish:
Brass with nickel plating
fits:
300 New Yorker Fireflite Adventurer Fury Belvedere
Manufacturer Part Number:
1704K, 1701G
Country/Region of Manufacture:
United States
Other Part Number:
fits most MOPAR vehicles 1957-58, TRUCKS 1958.
Interchange Part Number:
Fits 1957 1958, also 1966 1967

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Posted 2020-01-28 8:17 PM (#593537 - in reply to #561778)
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58Jackie
Posted 2020-02-04 5:16 PM (#593809 - in reply to #561778)
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Hey thanks Marc!!!!!!!!!! Exactly what i needed to see, as my locksmith just wanted me to show him what the head shape of the key is, so that he can get a close match to original. Thanks again.
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Posted 2020-02-04 9:36 PM (#593815 - in reply to #593530)
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58Jackie - 2020-01-28 2:24 PM

Anyone else? Please????????? I do really need to see a couple photos of the ignition/door lock
keys to get a reference both for me and the locksmith.
Just need to see the head design of it. Thanks.


Jackie,

I've been a member of this forum for 20 years or more and have been a locksmith for 48 years.
I can make keys for your locks if you send them to me. I have equivalent ILCO blanks in stock to make them.
You can check my company web site here https://acmesafe.ca/services/vintage_auto_finished_projects.html
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Posted 2020-02-06 5:01 PM (#593889 - in reply to #593815)
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58Jackie - 2020-01-28 2:24 PM

Anyone else? Please????????? I do really need to see a couple photos of the ignition/door lock
keys to get a reference both for me and the locksmith.
Just need to see the head design of it. Thanks.


Jackie,

I've been a member of this forum for 20 years or more and have been a locksmith for 48 years.
I can make keys for your locks if you send them to me. I have equivalent ILCO blanks in stock to make them.
You can check my company web site here https://acmesafe.ca/services/vintage_auto_finished_projects.html[/QU...

Hey wow, thank you for that! Will definitely keep you in mind if the locksmith I'm dealing with now fails on me. So that is actually your company, on the link? So the address (815 Fort St. Victoria, BC) is where I'd be sending the locks to?
Can i send the whole complete lock, or disassemble it, for the door/trunk lock and ignition?
Do you have any original type (CPDD, or Forwardlook logo) key blanks to use?
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58Jackie
Posted 2020-02-15 9:24 PM (#594337 - in reply to #561778)
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Doing a tune up on her before starting, i was replacing the coil today, and dumb me cant remember (i got distracted) about the positive/negative wires on the coil and which ones what. So need a little help; there is 2 wires, same color, one is thinner gage and goes into the main wiring harness. the other is thicker gage and goes directly into the bottom of the distributor. Which wire is for the positive/negative on the coil? Thanks.
Like i said, dumb me for not marking them, i usually do, but got distracted with something else.

Oh, and on same topic, I will be putting in new plugs too, what do i gap them to (318 poly) 0.35?????????
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mstrug
Posted 2020-02-15 10:10 PM (#594339 - in reply to #561778)
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The battery hot wire from the ignition switch goes to the + side of coil. Plug gap is .035''.

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58Jackie
Posted 2020-02-16 12:37 AM (#594347 - in reply to #561778)
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Thanks Marc! I found it odd that the negative wire is thicker gage than than the positive side, probably what confused me. Wish i had this reference to look at earlier, now i just have to go redo it and swap those wires back around, but oh well, the price i pay for not paying close enough attention when i pulled the old coil. That old coil was actually an Autolite, likely the original from 58. Surprising that it hasnt been changed until now.
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58Jackie
Posted 2020-02-29 2:12 PM (#594992 - in reply to #561778)
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I'm now on the last step of getting her ready to fire up, which is the keys. I dont have the original keys for the ignition/doors/trunk, so I'm having new ones made.
I've got the ignition and trunk lock out without any issues, but the main problem now is the locks in the doors. i spent a whole day fighting them and they wont come out. I can tell there is a slider type bracket (same as trunk sort of) so i slid it out to where it looks like the lock should come out, the lock was loose in the door, but it just wont pull out.
I have no idea what is going on, but can you guys offer some advice? I'm really hoping this doesnt turn into a nightmare to get these door locks out, as they will need to come out later when getting ready to paint her.
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Posted 2020-02-29 8:40 PM (#595004 - in reply to #594992)
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I assume you have the door panel off. Shine a light inside so that you can see what is involved. You need a long screw driver to pop the horse shoe clip off. Once off, the lock will be loose. You have to wiggle it out. The pin at the end may be hung up a bit. Use the inner door handle to lock/unlock the door and you will see what is causing it to hang up. You may be able to free up the pin from inside the door shell using, again, a long screwdriver.

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Posted 2020-02-29 8:48 PM (#595005 - in reply to #595004)
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Also, regarding your ignition key issue, it may be easier to find a used 57-8 Plymouth ignition switch that comes with the key included. Just swap out the switches and you'll be good to go. From there, you can have the tumblers in the door locks changed so that they work with your ignition key.

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Posted 2020-03-02 6:13 PM (#595093 - in reply to #595004)
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ronbo97 - 2020-02-29 7:40 PM

I assume you have the door panel off. Shine a light inside so that you can see what is involved. You need a long screw driver to pop the horse shoe clip off. Once off, the lock will be loose. You have to wiggle it out. The pin at the end may be hung up a bit. Use the inner door handle to lock/unlock the door and you will see what is causing it to hang up. You may be able to free up the pin from inside the door shell using, again, a long screwdriver.

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Thanks. Does that horseshoe clip, i called it a slider pin, come all the way off? On the trunk one, that one was in a u-shape horseshoe, but the door lock one is square. About the door one, i was able to slide it to one side, where it looked like it wasnt interfering with anything. The lock was loose in the door, was able to pull it out a little, but the upper portion of the lock was catching on something. Is there another pin catch thing up top that I'm not seeing?
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Posted 2020-03-02 6:43 PM (#595099 - in reply to #595093)
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Hmmm...it may be a slider, rather than a horse shoe. Can you see what it is getting caught on ? If you can wiggle the inside door handle ( the one that opens the door) while pulling on the lock, it may free up. It's been over ten years since I had to do this. So memory is a bit fuzzy.

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58Jackie
Posted 2020-03-05 7:55 PM (#595285 - in reply to #561778)
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I just got an aftermarket complete ignition switch for my car.
its slightly different though, my original connections read
IG ACC ST AM
the new one is this,
IG ACC ST and BATT
As you can see the only one that changed is the originals AM, to the new ones BATT. Do these mean the same thing?
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Posted 2020-03-05 9:03 PM (#595287 - in reply to #561778)
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AM is probably AMP Meter (ammeter)

These days Volt meters are more in Vouge.

Read this:

https://www.americanautowire.com/view-faq/a-word-about-ammeters

Fury Jim (James Rawa) makes volt gauges that look like our gauges. He is on FB on the Forward look group.







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