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alwndup
Posted 2018-08-29 7:59 PM (#569240)
Subject: “Bud” Walters, Jr. Estate Auction, Sept 17 & 18, 2018 - Kansas


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Another hoard of unrestored cars up for auction. Lots of Forward Look and other rare models! Be sure to see both links.

http://www.sullivanauctioneers.com/auction/3-day-estate-auction/

http://www.sullivanauctioneers.com/auction/3-day-estate-auction-2/


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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-08-29 10:29 PM (#569243 - in reply to #569240)
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ooo!  It's close!

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alwndup
Posted 2018-08-30 10:13 AM (#569254 - in reply to #569243)
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How many more of this type of auction are there going to be?!? I think we're seeing some of the last there will ever be.
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Posted 2018-08-30 1:34 PM (#569263 - in reply to #569240)
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Much is made on TV shows of how valuable unrestored cars are. You see guys dragging in junk from a field with half gone due to rust and they say it's worth $15,000.
That's fine for TV, but when I see any vehicle that has been sitting out in the elements for decades...it's most likely junk for good.
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alwndup
Posted 2018-08-30 5:31 PM (#569284 - in reply to #569263)
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Sorry I took this off topic.

I would normally agree with you but here are a couple of exceptions that sold last weekend (I'm even more sorry that these aren't Forward Look):

https://www.proxibid.com/Collector-Cars/Classic-Vintage-Cars/RARE-19...

https://www.proxibid.com/Collector-Cars/Classic-Vintage-Cars/RARE-19...
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Posted 2018-08-30 6:30 PM (#569288 - in reply to #569254)
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alwndup - 2018-08-30 10:13 AM

How many more of this type of auction are there going to be?!? I think we're seeing some of the last there will ever be.


I was thinking the same. The last relics of a long gone era that will never return.
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ChristineFury
Posted 2018-08-30 6:41 PM (#569289 - in reply to #569240)
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A lot of nice cars and will probably go for a lot like many auctions I see.


A few bicycles too in a picture next to a motorcycle. Looks like some Murray bikes with other brands. One has a springer fork I like with truss rod rack.

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Posted 2018-08-30 7:12 PM (#569291 - in reply to #569240)
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Wish I could go even if only to watch! Love these old unrestored vehicles. It's like finding a a junkyard from my younger days.
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Posted 2018-08-30 7:23 PM (#569292 - in reply to #569240)
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At least 3 FL coupes there.
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Posted 2018-08-30 9:20 PM (#569294 - in reply to #569240)
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Can't wait to see more images on this, it's a shame I live so far away. The Power Wagon with the Hemi is interesting along with the F'Looks
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Posted 2018-08-30 9:54 PM (#569296 - in reply to #569240)
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I'm going to this auction, planning on buying smaller stuff like signs and gas pumps, etc... No cars for me (hopefully)
-Peter
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Posted 2018-09-03 11:06 AM (#569517 - in reply to #569243)
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Mike, sounds like a Road Trip in our near future unless I bid onlne for a couple of the FL cars. What do you think....

 

John

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big m
Posted 2018-09-21 2:10 PM (#570512 - in reply to #569240)
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I had to deliver a '52 Dodge truck to Phoenix, and since this auction was only 800 miles from there, decided to check it out.


There were two '59 Chrysler sedans, a '58 Windsor sedan, all three had factory A/C.

'60 Plymouth Belv. 2-door HT, '58 Savoy 4-door sedan, several '55-6 Ply 4-door sedans, a pretty decent '61 Imperial 4-door, a '60 Imp. 2-door HT with swivel seats, '59 Dodge Royal 4-door sedan, 2- '59 Plymouth 4-door sedans, '57 Firesweep 2-door HT

Probably a few others I couldn't remember off the top of my head. Bidding was ferocious, a '59 Cadillac hearse went for $39,000, had some rust, but overall decent, a '59 Chevy stepside pickup involved a bidding war between two local farm families, it drew $27,000, and the '57 Firesweep pulled a high bid of $14,000.

Crazy prices!

I did manage to get the '58 Savoy for under $1,000, and there were other deals as well on similar Chrysler sedans, but cheapest shipper I could find on short notice was $1,000 per car with a 2-car minimum. Looked like everything received bids, and no scrappers were present.

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Posted 2018-09-21 3:15 PM (#570518 - in reply to #569240)
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Did anyone see what the 58 Desoto went for? 





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alwndup
Posted 2018-09-21 3:57 PM (#570521 - in reply to #570518)
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Here's where you can see the results:

Day 1
https://sullivanauctioneers.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=150384

Day 2
https://sullivanauctioneers.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=150385
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drosera88
Posted 2018-09-21 5:00 PM (#570524 - in reply to #569240)
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Lots of cool stuff! Lot of cars with AC and those 56 wagons fetched some pretty good prices. A sign went for $10000! 

https://sullivanauctioneers.proxibid.com/Art-Antiques-Collectibles/Collectibles/RARE-CHRYSLER-PLYMOUTH-SIGN/lotInformation/43931900

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Posted 2018-09-21 5:18 PM (#570526 - in reply to #570518)
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drosera88 - 2018-09-21 2:15 PM

Did anyone see what the 58 Desoto went for? 



$14,250 for a base model Firesweep. Bench seat, manual brakes, missing trim, and not even that solid. Insanity if you ask me....

~Peter
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Posted 2018-09-21 6:18 PM (#570530 - in reply to #569240)
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Classic fwl.net response.... Omg I would give 1000$! For it!
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Posted 2018-09-21 6:51 PM (#570534 - in reply to #570526)
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drosera88 - 2018-09-21 2:15 PM

Did anyone see what the 58 Desoto went for? 

$14,250 for a base model Firesweep. Bench seat, manual brakes, missing trim, and not even that solid. Insanity if you ask me.... ~Peter

Probably because it was an auction. Auctions are very good at getting people to shell out more money for things than they would otherwise. Theres a deadline, so people get into a "This is my only chance! Once it's gone it's gone!" mentality. Auctions also bring out the competitiveness in people and nobody likes losing; it's not really a game, but it feels like one. There's an audience too, which enhances the feeling of competitiveness because people don't want to be 'the loser' in front of anyone. Its also an in person sale, which lets the auctioneers tug at the emotions of the buyers and sell the cars like a good used car salesman. They can convince people that "This is YOUR car! Are you really going to let the other guy win?! When was the last time you saw one of these for sale?! That rust is totally minor, especially for a guy like you! I bet you could fix it in a weekend! You could sell it for twice as much fixed up! You'll be the center of attention everywhere you drive this!" 

At least that's my take. Was it worth $14250? Well, yes, because someone paid that much! I wouldn't pay that much for that car, but to each his own. The important thing is that it's not sitting out in a field rotting anymore. Hopefully whoever bought it will restore it. 

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Posted 2018-09-21 7:15 PM (#570539 - in reply to #570530)
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mikes2nd - 2018-09-21 5:18 PM

Classic fwl.net response.... Omg I would give 1000$! For it!


Oh whatever, get off your darn high horse. I was simply offering an educated first-hand impression of the condition and value of the car. I just picked up a #3 condition 1959 Firesweep 2dr hardtoprunning and driving for $16k, so for me a parts car sitting in a field is a reasonable buy around $4500-7000 if you REALLY want one. Prices at this auction were driven up by rich oil money and family squabbles that created bidding wars.

I'm the LAST person here who believes all Forward Look cars should cost pennies; and being a certified Classic Auto Appraiser, I usually tend to believe I'm pretty well informed, but please, go ahead and belittle my educated opinion. Who knows, maybe you'll singlehandedly drive another member from this forum...

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Posted 2018-09-22 7:41 AM (#570561 - in reply to #569240)
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No, I didn't buy anything there lol. I did bid on the sign, but dropped out at 8500
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Posted 2018-09-22 9:18 AM (#570565 - in reply to #570539)
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mikes2nd - 2018-09-21 5:18 PM Classic fwl.net response.... Omg I would give 1000$! For it!
Oh whatever, get off your darn high horse.

this wasnt really directed at you per say

Its just these old timers here are having sticker shock all the time... "I member back in the day you could buy that car for 500$!, i wouldnt give you more than 100$!"... is their typical response.

Was that car overpriced? even i will say yes :)  like wow overpriced but who knows why it went that high.

Seems these cars can get up there with enough competition and advertising.

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Posted 2018-09-22 10:34 AM (#570567 - in reply to #569240)
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I was prepared to spend $3500 on the Firesweep, as it would cost another $1,000 to get it home. I've been to so many auctions, I do not get "auction fever" and go nuts bidding against someone else even when the value of the item is surpassed.

There were two local families bidding against each other on a '59 Chevy Apache stepside pickup, apparently it belonged to a family member at one time, and was bid over $27,000. #5 condition!!

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Posted 2018-09-22 11:14 AM (#570569 - in reply to #569240)
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Its funny the mentality of people in the classic car circle. They'll pay $14k for a car like that and let a nice car like the 59 Desoto 4drht on ebay with an asking price of $24k sit there for months. The 57 would require so much more money(20-30K) to bring it up to the 59's level. I'm pretty much done buying projects. I have too many and probably will never get to them all.
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Posted 2018-09-23 1:21 PM (#570622 - in reply to #570569)
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tberd62 - 2018-09-22 10:14 AM Its funny the mentality of people in the classic car circle. They'll pay $14k for a car like that and let a nice car like the 59 Desoto 4drht on ebay with an asking price of $24k sit there for months. The 57 would require so much more money(20-30K) to bring it up to the 59's level. I'm pretty much done buying projects. I have too many and probably will never get to them all.

Yeah the classic car market is really finicky. Those styling changes in 59 really affected the collectability (except maybe with Imperial). Don't get me wrong, the 59's are still really cool in my opinion, but I understand why people like the 57-58's so much more. 

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Posted 2018-09-23 9:42 PM (#570651 - in reply to #569240)
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40k for hearse...What people in Kansas are smoking..
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Posted 2018-09-24 11:44 AM (#570686 - in reply to #569240)
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The guy who bought it was from Texas. I will agree there were some insane prices there. But I did Manage to get a 62 new Yorker for 1300 and it's not in bad shape in my opinion
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Posted 2018-09-24 1:30 PM (#570697 - in reply to #569240)
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A lot of cars there I like and they went for under $1000. I would have loved to get one of those that went at or lower than my 66 Mustang project.


That 58 Savoy was a great buy.

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Posted 2018-09-24 1:56 PM (#570700 - in reply to #570651)
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hemidenis - 2018-09-23 9:42 PM 40k for hearse...What people in Kansas are smoking..

 

you know how rare that is? and it wasnt destroyed.

there are probably 20-30 in exsistance?  and its one of the best years.  

 

Jesus the "farm" vehicle auctions... WTF?  I guess they are selling out or getting out of the farm business thanks to the tarriffs...   Looks like HUNDREDS of farms for sale and equipment... every day farms going "kaboom"... 

 



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Posted 2018-09-26 5:54 PM (#570802 - in reply to #570700)
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mikes2nd - 2018-09-24 12:56 PM

hemidenis - 2018-09-23 9:42 PM 40k for hearse...What people in Kansas are smoking..

 

you know how rare that is? and it wasnt destroyed.

there are probably 20-30 in exsistance?  and its one of the best years.  

 

Jesus the "farm" vehicle auctions... WTF?  I guess they are selling out or getting out of the farm business thanks to the tarriffs...   Looks like HUNDREDS of farms for sale and equipment... every day farms going "kaboom"... 

 

Yeah, the hearse's are rare since they were basically thrown out like other 'work cars', but it's a hearse. Not many people really want a hearse to take to cruise nights. Don't get me wrong, that price he paid is probably what it's worth to someone who collects hearses and other professional cars, but the people willing to pay that price are few and far between. 

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