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CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | Well, I'm thinking of trying a set of wheels on a 1958 Dodge. Modified car. Not stock. Looked for SORT OF time/era correct. Gonna try these.... (wheel25.JPG) Attachments ---------------- wheel25.JPG (55KB - 263 downloads) | ||
BigBlockMopar |
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Expert Posts: 3575 Location: Netherlands | The pic is not showing for me (yet). I have a couple of sets of 15" Astro Supreme wheels on my cars. Most of my cars are midly customized, so the wheels look the period for me. Edited by BigBlockMopar 2018-10-10 3:09 PM | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-10-10 1:39 PM Well, I'm thinking of trying a set of wheels on a 1958 Dodge. Modified car. Not stock. Looked for SORT OF time/era correct. Gonna try these.... Unlike popular believe, short of custom made wheels, there isn't alot. Just because the bolt circle and center hole fits, it doesn't mean you should run them on a FL car. In front, Offset is very important, not to mention that wheels sticking out of the wheel housing look downright stupid on FL cars. Most aftermarket wheels do not have enough backspacing. | ||
57chizler |
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Expert Posts: 3777 Location: NorCal | The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. (LS (Small).JPG) Attachments ---------------- LS (Small).JPG (175KB - 210 downloads) | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | Torque Thrust were another I liked..... | ||
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | 1960fury - 2018-10-10 3:14 PM CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-10-10 1:39 PM Well, I'm thinking of trying a set of wheels on a 1958 Dodge. Modified car. Not stock. Looked for SORT OF time/era correct. Gonna try these.... Unlike popular believe, short of custom made wheels, there isn't alot. Just because the bolt circle and center hole fits, it doesn't mean you should run them on a FL car. In front, Offset is very important, not to mention that wheels sticking out of the wheel housing look downright stupid on FL cars. Most aftermarket wheels do not have enough backspacing. I'm not much into "wheels that stick out of wheelhousings"?!? I'll post pics when on. I'm pretty picky about wheel fit. | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | 57chizler - 2018-10-10 4:20 PM The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. I like the wheels. I like the wagon! Looks good What tire sizes?? | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 57chizler - 2018-10-10 4:20 PM The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. Those are what I am shooting for - maybe next year. Chrome set on a 56 Lancer in the same colours as my car. I would go with the grey spokes like the 55 Lancer below the 56. Edited by 56D500boy 2018-10-10 6:07 PM (1956-dodge-coronet-lancer-2-door-hardtopWhiteDarkBlueOnLightBlueTorqueThrustWheels.jpg) (1955-Dodge-Royal-American Classics--Car-100960821-753ca62919ff8712460c88167f304698.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956-dodge-coronet-lancer-2-door-hardtopWhiteDarkBlueOnLightBlueTorqueThrustWheels.jpg (210KB - 218 downloads) 1955-Dodge-Royal-American Classics--Car-100960821-753ca62919ff8712460c88167f304698.jpg (94KB - 214 downloads) | ||
StillOutThere |
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Location: Under the X in Texas | Isn't the white/black/yellow with "mags" the car formerly owned by band leader Doc Severenson? If so, I test drove that car when for sale some 8(?) years ago. | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | they look good
5 spoke style/hot rod/ cragars work for these cars. steelies/smoothie also work. Spun rims... the 3 piece forged simply do not.... deep lipped. unless your doing a super custom, deep lipped rims dont look right on these cars. Have to be shallow "hub cap" looking. I think i just found a new rim for my car though while looking I am considering also using a White Lighting Racing Smoothie rim. You can get them for a great price, great quality smoothie. Edited by mikes2nd 2018-10-10 9:00 PM | ||
60 dart |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | 57chizler - 2018-10-10 4:20 PM The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. still are , i'm thinkin on torque thrust D . more sooner than later . they can be bought from all kinds of dealers . jegs , summit , epay ------------------------------------------later https://www.americanracing.com/wheels.cfm?id=4604 | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | mikes2nd - 2018-10-10 8:38 PM they look good
5 spoke style/hot rod/ cragars work for these cars. steelies/smoothie also work. Spun rims... the 3 piece forged simply do not.... deep lipped. unless your doing a super custom, deep lipped rims dont look right on these cars. Have to be shallow "hub cap" looking. I think i just found a new rim for my car though while looking I am considering also using a White Lighting Racing Smoothie rim. You can get them for a great price, great quality smoothie. I'm not sure I would like Cragars on my 58, Torque Thrust maybe. Not Cragars. I'm not a big fan of steelies/smoothies on MY car, that's for sure. Not the look I'm looking for..... What's a "spun rim"? What 3 pieced forged?? I don't see how deep lipped rims can be used? Unless on the back and the rear end shortened......? | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | 60 dart - 2018-10-10 11:43 PM 57chizler - 2018-10-10 4:20 PM The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. still are , i'm thinkin on torque thrust D . more sooner than later . they can be bought from all kinds of dealers . jegs , summit , epay ------------------------------------------later https://www.americanracing.com/wheels.cfm?id=4604 I kinda like the TTO Torque Thrusts too | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | Just looked up White Lightning Racing Smoothie. Not my taste for sure. That's what was on the car. | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | 60 dart - 2018-10-10 11:43 PM 57chizler - 2018-10-10 4:20 PM The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. still are , i'm thinkin on torque thrust D . more sooner than later . they can be bought from all kinds of dealers . jegs , summit , epay ------------------------------------------later https://www.americanracing.com/wheels.cfm?id=4604 Maybe, but in real live in in 1958 not existent. Having read about all 1959-61 available car magazines, I have never seen them, don't even remember an ad. If they were run, not on fullsize cars, only dagsters, strip only cars. Maybe someone here can post a pic of a full size car with T-trusts from the 50s? I thing they look totally out of place on a finned jet age automobile. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2018-10-11 8:30 AM Maybe, but in real live in in 1958 not existent. Having read about all 1959-61 available car magazines, I have never seen them, don't even remember an ad. If they were run, not on fullsize cars, only dagsters, strip only cars. "History "Romeo Palamides, an early drag racing innovator and grandfather of jet car racing, designed and crafted leading edge, high strength-to-weight magnesium drag racing wheels for a competition dragster designed in the early 1950s for competition. The vehicle debuted on the cover of the November 1956 issue of Hot Rod Magazine. The car gained attention but, in the early years of hot rodding, there was considerable street enthusiast interest in the lightweight, high-tech wheels he had custom-designed for the car. Romeo's vision, working from Jim Ellison's small machine shop in San Francisco, along with engineering innovator Tom Griffith, evolved into America's leading aftermarket wheel company. In 1956, they formed American Racing Equipment." https://www.americanracing.com/ Platinum Equity investment group acquired American Racing Equipment Inc in June 2005.[1] Torq Thrust American Racing became famous with the Torq Thrust wheel that, although first applied on the dragstrip, became a popular street racing wheel. The Torq Thrust was specifically designed with a "tapered parabolic contour" spoke, as opposed to a semi-solid modular design, to increase brake cooling and simultaneously decrease wheel mass. The American Racing Torq Thrust wheel is considered by some as the most famous muscle car wheel of all time[2] and is sometimes credited as starting the entire custom wheel movement.[2]" REFERENCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Racing November 1956 Hot Rod Magazine (nice Hemi by the way) Edited by 56D500boy 2018-10-11 2:14 PM | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | every fricking new cool rim is 20 inch rims... these companies sell hundreds and hundreds of crappy rims... I mean for crying out loud.. I found a great Centerline rim but its fricking only 20 inches... (SL1000_.jpg) Attachments ---------------- SL1000_.jpg (125KB - 225 downloads) | ||
wizard |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Modern artillary wheels - to each his own | ||
57chizler |
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Expert Posts: 3777 Location: NorCal | CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-10-10 1:50 PM 57chizler - 2018-10-10 4:20 PM The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. I like the wheels. I like the wagon! Looks good What tire sizes?? P235/70R-15. | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | mikes2nd - 2018-10-11 12:29 PM every fricking new cool rim is 20 inch rims... these companies sell hundreds and hundreds of crappy rims... I mean for crying out loud.. I found a great Centerline rim but its fricking only 20 inches... I alllllllmost went 18s on a 1967 Charger of mine a few years back. Looked at car after car after car. I went with 15s lol I have seen a couple cars with 17/18s I didn't mind. Just honestly not for me I think. 20s and up for sure not me. I don't like the most modern billet wheels on older cars honestly. New cars sure. | ||
wizard |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | 57chizler - 2018-10-11 7:12 PM CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-10-10 1:50 PM 57chizler - 2018-10-10 4:20 PM The American Torque Thrust was available in that era. I like the wheels. I like the wagon! Looks good What tire sizes?? P235/70R-15. Perfect tire size for the longroof The rims suit well to the black paint | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | D500Boy, Yup, as I said, dragsters/strip only. Anybody got a pic of Torque-trust wheels on a full size mid/late 50s car from back in the day (50s)? I don't think you can find one. Not that it matters, but these competition wheels look so out of place on a googie-machine. Just leave it to the muscle car guys. | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | 1960fury - 2018-10-11 2:42 PM D500Boy, Yup, as I said, dragsters/strip only. Anybody got a pic of Torque-trust wheels on a full size mid/late 50s car from back in the day (50s)? I don't think you can find one. Not that it matters, but these competition wheels look so out of place on a googie-machine. Just leave it to the muscle car guys. I think the pics 56D500boy posted say otherwise. I think his two pics look pretty good. The black wagon too!!!!! I don't mind the modern Centerline pic from above..... EXCEPT!!! The rim with those bolt heads. Wish the rim was a clean lip. The perimeter busy bolt look ruins it for me I chose the American Racing wheels because they are reminiscent of the Halibrands of the 50s. To each their own! I'll take pics when mocked up, not just for feedback.... but to see if I like them myself!!!! lol Edited by CrAzYMoPaRGuY 2018-10-11 2:52 PM | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2018-10-11 2:42 PM D500Boy, Yup, as I said, dragsters/strip only. Anybody got a pic of Torque-trust wheels on a full size mid/late 50s car from back in the day (50s)? I don't think you can find one. Not that it matters, but these competition wheels look so out of place on a googie-machine. Just leave it to the muscle car guys. And *IF* I find a such photo willst du die Pille schlucken? | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | 56D500boy - 2018-10-11 5:59 PM 1960fury - 2018-10-11 2:42 PM D500Boy, Yup, as I said, dragsters/strip only. Anybody got a pic of Torque-trust wheels on a full size mid/late 50s car from back in the day (50s)? I don't think you can find one. Not that it matters, but these competition wheels look so out of place on a googie-machine. Just leave it to the muscle car guys. And *IF* I find a such photo willst du die Pille schlucken? In the days of photoshop, No | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2018-10-11 6:24 PM In the days of photoshop, No :) Okay. Looks like it will be me die Pille schlucken. "Initially, the intent of American Racing was to produce lightweight, durable wheels for race cars; wheels for street cars were not even on the founder's radar when the company was launched. Early offerings included wide rear wheels to accommodate the steadily growing availability of drag-dedicated tires for traction along with narrow, extra-light spindle-mount wheels for the front; a spindle-mount wheel carries its own bearing hub, and is fastened directly to the spindle. Not surprisingly, the desire for magnesium wheels, or "mags" as they became known, ramped up quickly, and by 1963, American Racing released its first street-targeted wheel, the Torq-Thrust Not long after, A.R.E. came out with an aluminum version, providing a lower cost alternative to consumers who were more interested in the look than the weight savings." REFERENCE: https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hmn/2006/10/American-Ingenuity/134... Never mind. I love the look. Even on a [cough] [spit] Chevy (easier to find photos) : Edited by 56D500boy 2018-10-11 6:45 PM | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Okay, they came out in 63, I guessed it. These wheels mimic the european look (yikes) or the englich sports car wheels. These jet age cruisers were never meant to be sports cars. That doesn't mean they are slow, they are fast, yet, these cars all look big an heavy, loaded with massive bumpers and chrome and THAT makes it cool. Trying to make them look like muscle cars is, Imo, inappropriate . Okay, it is a matter of personal taste but these spoke wheels, that show the rusty drums or disks and calipers, are very anti-FL/fifties for sure. These are non stock custom wheels I like! Edited by 1960fury 2018-10-11 7:26 PM (57impwheels.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57impwheels.jpg (43KB - 224 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Sid: I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Your tastes are your tastes and mine are mine. I was alive and well (12 years old) in 1963 so I can remember that those five spoke wheels were put on anything that moved, fins or no fins, because they looked good. As for exposing rotors and/drums, that is why caliper (high heat) paint exists. You can actually *ADD* to the look of the car by exposing the brakes, not to mention the fact that the exposure helps with cooling the rotors and/or drums (if there was a need). Each to their own. (I dislike your chrome Imperial wheels with a passion) Edited by 56D500boy 2018-10-11 8:47 PM | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | I'm not into chrome Imperial rims either. At all. And I like the Torque Thrusts or a Halibrand looking wheel on the older cars. Will have to see how they look on my 58 Dodge of course.... No rusty drums for me, Wilwood discs all four corners, but I don't think you will see them unless up close and personal. | ||
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | I believe THESE are the most era correct no?? (halibrand.jpg) Attachments ---------------- halibrand.jpg (137KB - 225 downloads) | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | 56D500boy - 2018-10-11 8:46 PM Sid: I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Your tastes are your tastes and mine are mine. I was alive and well (12 years old) in 1963 so I can remember that those five spoke wheels were put on anything that moved, fins or no fins, because they looked good. :) Good point, thanks, and by 1963 nothing was more out of date and out of style than a finned car. I just love the FL-era and its wonderfull creations, cars, buildings, furniture, etc, etc, etc. Everything started to go downhill by 1961. But yes, to each their own....... | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I don't know about backspace or bolt circle, but I find these turbine rims nice. Perhaps too much on a MoPar car, many would know from what car they came (d7ly1007gu.m.jpg) Attachments ---------------- d7ly1007gu.m.jpg (33KB - 215 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | I liked the cragars on my dodge. Those flat sort of wheel don't do much for me, to be honest, I think they are boring I also like deep dish (reverse centre) stockies, but painted with dog dishes and trim rings (zigzag 06062016 001.jpg) Attachments ---------------- zigzag 06062016 001.jpg (202KB - 229 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3777 Location: NorCal | CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-10-11 9:41 PM I believe THESE are the most era correct no?? The Halibrand Sprint pre-dates (1946) all of those mentioned so far, but anything that was readily available in the year the car's model year would be "era correct". Sand-cast, and usually alloyed with aluminum and zinc, the first Halibrand magnesium wheels appeared in 1946, initially offered to customers in 18-inch diameters for championship race cars. Halibrands would be mounted on the car that won the 1946 Indianapolis 500, the Thorne Engineering Special driven by George Robson, and on every succeeding winner though 1963. Until the Halibrand's widespread adoption, the nearly universal wheel at Indy was a comparatively weak double-laced steel wire rim. The most immediately recognizable Halibrand wheel was the Sprint, known vernacularly as the "Big Window" wheel for the large, kidney-shaped cooling slots in between its structural ribs. Halibrand would also make major inroads as a wheel supplier for hot rodders, in drag racing and on the Bonneville Salt Flats, where its near-indestructibility and relative lack of mass made it all but mandatory. They were also specified for the original Shelby Cobras, the Ford GT-40, and numerous Can-Am sports racers. Briggs Cunningham used Halibrands almost exclusively on his Le Mans racers. | ||
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | 15x5 and 15x7 (reversed) chrome steel wheels using '56 Ford wheel centers and new outer rims, with spider cap centers. Very typical of street and show cars from around 1955 to 1965. (20181013_142444.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20181013_142444.jpg (111KB - 224 downloads) | ||
LostDeere59 |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 406 Location: Hilltown, PA | Some cool wheel and tire options here . . . www.radirwheels.com Gregg Edited by LostDeere59 2018-10-14 2:20 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Deep dish with caps and rings (43952286_10157042361964887_480202078409457664_n.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 43952286_10157042361964887_480202078409457664_n.jpg (65KB - 213 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1118 Location: STL, MO | X2 on the Radir's, There going on my G. Real jet fin fighters of the era ie Crusaders,Fords& century series all had mags and the white/ green wheel fires to prove it | ||
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | 57burb - 2018-10-13 2:00 PM 15x5 and 15x7 (reversed) chrome steel wheels using '56 Ford wheel centers and new outer rims, with spider cap centers. Very typical of street and show cars from around 1955 to 1965. I guess that picture was a little small. Here's another one, showing the wheels from a better angle. Edited by 57burb 2018-10-15 2:23 PM (20181006_085418.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20181006_085418.jpg (246KB - 228 downloads) | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | LostDeere59 - 2018-10-14 2:18 PM Some cool wheel and tire options here . . . www.radirwheels.com Gregg I actually LIKE the Radir wheels.... thought about those too. I bought a set of VN502s. I'll try and see how I like until the car is done. 15x7 and 15x8 | ||
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | ttotired - 2018-10-14 4:34 PM Deep dish with caps and rings What's going on with the Chevy rallye wheels on a Chevy?!?!?! | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-10-15 5:29 PM What's going on with the Chevy rallye wheels on a Chevy?!?!?! Lots of people think that I am running Rallye wheels on my 56 Dodge. (They're 85 Dodge Diplomat cop car wheels) (Rallyes have 5 slots, not six) | ||
CrAzYMoPaRGuY |
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Veteran Posts: 154 Location: Locked in my Canadian garage.... | 56D500boy - 2018-10-15 6:19 PM CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-10-15 5:29 PM What's going on with the Chevy rallye wheels on a Chevy?!?!?! Lots of people think that I am running Rallye wheels on my 56 Dodge. (They're 85 Dodge Diplomat cop car wheels) LOL I'm pretty familiar with MoPar Cop Car wheels!! No idea how they could be mistaken for Chevy! | ||
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Veteran Posts: 123 Location: Southern Idaho, USA | wizard - 2018-10-12 8:33 AM I don't know about backspace or bolt circle, but I find these turbine rims nice. Perhaps too much on a MoPar car, many would know from what car they came ;) I too like the turbine wheels. Nice and old school looking. I'm in a toss up considering either turbines or Cragars for mine. I don't see too many cars out there with turbines anymore, so it would be nice to experiment how they look on a car especially a FL'er. | ||
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Veteran Posts: 123 Location: Southern Idaho, USA | ttotired - 2018-10-12 5:06 PM I liked the cragars on my dodge. Those flat sort of wheel don't do much for me, to be honest, I think they are boring I also like deep dish (reverse centre) stockies, but painted with dog dishes and trim rings What size cragars are you running? Pretty car btw. | ||
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Veteran Posts: 117 | what is the bolt patter for these cars? 5x4 in? also did they make the smooth drag style centerlines for them? | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | brand209 - 2019-03-05 9:30 PM what is the bolt patter for these cars? 5x4 in? Not sure what you mean by "these" cars Typically the Forward Look Mopar bolt pattern is 5 x 4.5" for both the 15" (1955 and 1956) wheels and the later 14" wheels (1957 and newer). Exceptions include the Imperials some of which were 5 x 5.5", etc. Edited by 56D500boy 2019-03-05 11:06 PM | ||
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Veteran Posts: 117 | these cars....forward look cars.....55,56,57,58,59 plymouth, dodges and chryslers. But thank you for being a smart ass while you were at it. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | brand209 - 2019-03-06 1:04 PM these cars....forward look cars.....55,56,57,58,59 plymouth, dodges and chryslers. But thank you for being a smart ass while you were at it. NOT being a smart ass. Just trying to make sure that we knew exactly what you were talking about. And you're welcome (for the answer). In case you need rim widths: | ||
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Veteran Posts: 117 | I don't but thanks | ||
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