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Powerflite
Posted 2018-11-02 12:38 AM (#572778)
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I bought this car a couple of months back, but just got it to my house yesterday. This car is very needy to bring it up to usable status. It has no drivetrain of course and is missing a number of small parts here and there, as well as the rear window. Fortunately, I have a rear window from the 300D I parted out, and I think I have all the trim for it, but I haven't checked it out completely yet. Most of the floors are in surprisingly good shape except for the right front area. The trunk floor is also very good except for a section of the right rear seam area. Outer rockers and right rear wheel lip are rusted. Someone in it's past life decided to cut a section of the frame out, right where the steering box mounts, so it was a real joy to get it off the truck and onto my driveway. My muscles are still sore from forcing it to steer straight and pushing it around. But I never did get rid of that '57 Windsor frame I had sitting around from the car I parted out. It's a good thing too, as I will be swapping it into this one ASAP so I can steer it the next time I need to move it.

I don't have a lot of bandwidth to work on this one, but I am going to make it a priority to get the frame swapped, put good brakes on it, and get all of the latches, windows & doors working on it before I move on to a different project. That should keep it in good condition while sitting in the weather, what little weather we have here. This car will get the '57 New Yorker 392 I was prepping for the '58 New Yorker and that car will get a '58 Imperial motor instead.

The car was originally white with turquoise roof and sweep, power seat, power steering, dual rear antennae, fender spears (now missing) and a turquoise interior. I think I will reverse the color scheme and make the body turquoise with a white roof & sweep instead. Being realistic, this car won't be finished any time soon though, but it will be fun to work on it as I have time for it.



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Posted 2018-11-02 1:57 AM (#572780 - in reply to #572778)
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When you have so many New Yorkers you have to identify them by color , nice addition to your collection. I don’t suppose you would sell me (or trade) one of those 56 New Yorker center caps for my hood emblem, would you? The one I have is silver, should be gold.
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57burb
Posted 2018-11-02 7:54 AM (#572784 - in reply to #572780)
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Wow, another one! I used to think '57 New Yorkers were rare, but now everyone on the FL site has one, and you've got... what, ten?

Congrats on the score. I have quite a few of the parts you're looking for. You should plan a road trip to Texas and get all this stuff!
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-11-02 11:37 AM (#572790 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes, another one. I must be a masochist. Steve, the correct hood ornament has a gold shield like this picture. I don't have any like that. I thought yours was the same as the ones I have. All the '56 NY emblems should be the same. The '55 had a turquoise shield and silver outline, but I didn't think that's what you had.

I am heading out on a road trip to Arizona next weekend to get some fwdlook parts, but Texas would make that trip a lot longer! I wish you were closer, but I will definitely let you know what I need Danny to reduce your pile a little.



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-11-02 11:46 AM (#572791 - in reply to #572778)
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This is what the frame looks like. The best solution for it is a frame swap. A couple of weeks ago, my son and I cleaned up the Windsor frame to bare metal, primed & painted it, and attached an axle to it to make it more mobile. The Windsor frame was from this area so it was really clean & free of rust pitting. This axle I have on it has smaller brakes installed so I will pull all the suspension components from the New Yorker and swap onto the Windsor frame. The left rear springs on the New Yorker are all broken except for the top leaf so that makes it lean to the left quite a bit. I will use the Windsor leafs on it instead, so that will solve that problem.



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57burb
Posted 2018-11-02 12:03 PM (#572792 - in reply to #572791)
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looks like ya got a little rust issue there by the steering box
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Posted 2018-11-03 1:33 AM (#572830 - in reply to #572778)
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Nathan, congrats to the new find. Sooner or later I will visit you for a ride in one of your fabulous cars.
When its getting a bit later, maybe in that NYer

57burb - 2018-11-02 12:54 PM
Wow, another one! I used to think '57 New Yorkers were rare, but now everyone on the FL site has one, and you've got... what, ten?


I unfortunetably have'nt Danny

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The Adventurer
Posted 2018-11-03 4:27 AM (#572834 - in reply to #572778)
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Nice score Nathan , funny enough since I got my second 57 New Yorker earlier this year I have seen very few for sale . Nice score and great colours , I think the opposite combination will work well . That's a bonus you had a frame lying around !

Tom why did you not buy my Sunset Rose one when it was at auction at Barrett Jackson and Russo and Steele , I didn't bid on it myself as they told me the guiding range was $20k more than it sold for . I still cant believe such a nice car sold there for $16.5k at russo and steele . I thought you might have bought it Tom ?
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Posted 2018-11-03 1:06 PM (#572852 - in reply to #572778)
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Yeah, they don't come up for sale often, and the ones that do, like this one are typically very needy. Even more important than the extra frame is the back window. I don't know where you could get one if you needed it. But if I were smart, I should have purchased the rose one that you mentioned. That was a steal.

Tom, you are welcome to visit anytime! Or come out to Williams in October and hang out with us at the BigM yard.
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Posted 2018-11-03 9:06 PM (#572860 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes i know the bug back window was a godsend also . The repro ones are a few thousand dollars i think from Timo ?
Nathan annoyingly I had to pay $10k more for my New Yorker buying it through an onseller on ebay , but that made the deal safer and easier for me anyway being overseas .
It killed me to pay that though as the exchange rate is terrible , but I doubt I will find a nicer low mileage one in the colour I wanted . I should have paid you to go look at it for me more seriously . That's hindsight !
The car turned out to be a real doozy and Ive fixed most of the nasty fixed mechanics have done over the years , so its now how we all like them and the trim is all back to original . You have done well to pick up all your cars . We just cant buy them in needy condition anymore as it costs to much to ship each item out here now . In saying that I still couldn't help buying that 59 Flite coupe lol .

Keep up the good work and I love seeing pics of your work , there doesn't seem like you let any of these problems on these cars beat you !
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Posted 2018-11-04 10:16 AM (#572886 - in reply to #572778)
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I try to overcome them, mainly because I don't want to see another one of these cars get turned into another Toyota.

I made some progress yesterday. No going back from here. It made it easier to remove the T-bars to just cut the other side of the frame, and a lot less weight when I pull it out of there. The T-bar adjuster bolts were kicking my behind. I had to use a 6 ft extension on my breaker bar to turn them every bit of the way. They weren't rusted or seized, they were just really hard to turn; even after dowsing them with oil. When I pulled down on the right side leaf spring while removing the axle mount, the main leaf on that side broke in my hands! I'm glad it didn't break while in transit. Those leafs are junk! Next up is to remove everything heavy from the trunk, unbend the seat bolts, re-tap them, and remove the seats. I didn't have to remove the body mounts because the body was held onto the frame with only 1 bolt. That explains why the body was sitting on the frame a little lopsided. Before I attempt to lift the body I will probably need to reinforce the lower quarters and left side rocker because they are too rusted to hold any weight. Otherwise, I could start lifting it right away.




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Powerflite
Posted 2018-11-04 10:21 AM (#572887 - in reply to #572778)
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I was surprised that I had a lot of trouble removing the upper control arms. The nuts welded to the inside of the frame on the rear-most mounts came loose and the bolts just spun around. I've never experienced that before. I guess I should have heated the bolts red hot before I tried to remove them? It doesn't matter on this frame because it's junk anyway, but I sure wouldn't want that to happen on a frame that I care about. Anyone else dealt with this before and have a good strategy to either prevent it or fix it when it happens? I ended up torching them off to get the control arms off.



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Posted 2018-11-04 10:56 PM (#572941 - in reply to #572886)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-04 3:16 PM
some progress


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Powerflite
Posted 2018-11-05 2:40 AM (#572946 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes, I don't like having my cars torn completely apart on my driveway for too long, so I am more motivated than usual.

This is the fender tag for it. Looks like the whole title to this thread is wrong. It is a Parade Green color, not the Indian Turquoise. Looking at the paint, it really is the parade green too, which is more of a dark aqua color. But it's weird because the interior looks like a turquoise color. It must have faded over time because trim code 25 is definitely the green version. The turquoise version would be code 28.

Options:
315 = Dual rear antennae
326 = 6 way power seat
335 = Left outside rear view mirror
348 = Shaded backlight (What is this - A shade on the rear window?)
334 = Day/Night interior mirror
319 = Music master radio
322 = Rear speaker (not currently there except for the wiring)
323 = Custom Conditionaire heater/defroster
324 = Rear window defogger (not currently there)
264 or maybe 284? = ??
332 = Solex glass

Missing items I expected to be there:
327 power steering
329 clock
343 fender ornaments
541? rightside mirror

It could be that the fender ornaments & rightside mirror were added later in life. The mounting holes for them are all that's left there now. But maybe the clock and power steering are standard on a New Yorker so they don't bother to list them? I know that's the case for the cushioned dash, torqueflite, and light package.




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miquelonbrad
Posted 2018-11-05 7:39 AM (#572955 - in reply to #572778)
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Shaded backlight means that the rear window would have had a darker band (tint) along the top, same as a shaded windshield does. Since your NY has Solex glass, you would need a tinted/shaded rear window. Extremely rare glass to find I'm told...
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Posted 2018-11-05 7:51 AM (#572956 - in reply to #572778)
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Here is 25 Trim code FYI (my 57 is code 27) and here is a link to a car in Parade green if that helps Nathan .
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33675

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Posted 2018-11-05 10:42 AM (#572971 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks for the info Brad and James. Could you post some pictures of your code 27 interior James? I haven't seen what that looks like. I would assume that a copper colored car would get that code, but is it more of a pink or more of a copper color fabric?
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Posted 2018-11-05 11:06 AM (#572975 - in reply to #572946)
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The '59 cars have a much better design for the upper control arm mounting and adjustment. The upgrights are welded to the frame, and adjustment is by an eccentric cam at the upper control arm. Much more sturdy and eliminates the possibility of damaging the (absolutely critical!) threads in the frame that retain the suspension components. IMO, this was a poor design for '57-58 and is another one of the reasons many of these cars were written off early in their lives.

I absolutely love that teal green Parade Green color. But yes, you now need to change the thread title.

I'm no expert on trim tag decoding, but I wanted to add some information. Or maybe misinformation, you decide!

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Missing items I expected to be there:
327 power steering
329 clock
343 fender ornaments
541? rightside mirror

It could be that the fender ornaments & rightside mirror were added later in life. The mounting holes for them are all that's left there now. But maybe the clock and power steering are standard on a New Yorker so they don't bother to list them? I know that's the case for the cushioned dash, torqueflite, and light package.

The 327 code for optional power steering was only applicable to Windsor and 300C, since power steering was standard equipment on Saratoga and New Yorker.
The 329 for the optional clock was also only applicable to Windsor, as it was standard on Sara/NYer and not available on the 300C where the spot was taken by a tach.
Your car is not coded for the 343 fender ornaments (NYer only), so they were added later, maybe at the dealer, or somewhere down the line.

As to code 541 being for "Mirror - right outside rear view", from what I have seen, that is only going to be found on the IBM card and not the trim tag. There is no 5xx spot on the tag for such a code. But you will find it on the build card (below, near the bottom).

There are also Accessory Groups, which each comprise several popular options combined. Depending on the model, some of the items in the Accessory Groups were standard equipment.
From what I've seen, if an Accessory Group is chosen, then:
- any item in that group that IS standard equipment for that model IS NOT coded on the build card.
- any item in that group that IS NOT standard equipment for that model IS coded on the build card.

For example, my NYer has "Safety" Accessory Group 7, which includes options 333, 334, 335, and 336. Options 333 and 336 are standard on every NYer (padded dash and windshield washer), so my car is not coded for them, but 334 and 335 are optional on NYer (Mirror tilt-type and Mirror left outside) and my car is coded for those. I strongly suspect "541" is actually part of this package, as every car I've seen with Accessory Group 7 has it. But that's not what it says in the handbook. If you get the IBM card, be sure to update this thread and let us know if your car has AG7.



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Posted 2018-11-05 11:43 AM (#572979 - in reply to #572778)
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Nice Score Nathan....My build sheet says 15 for trim which translate to "Dark Green Starlite Faille & Med. Green Broadcloth"....thats a mouthful....
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Posted 2018-11-05 8:17 PM (#573017 - in reply to #572778)
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I see the scans I posted years ago of my Fabric Selector Book are still coming in handy.

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Posted 2018-11-06 6:23 AM (#573040 - in reply to #572778)
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Hi Brad , was that your trim booklet , ive been looking hard for one for years ! My friend has the dealer light box for 57 Chrysler but I cant afford to buy it a this time !

Nathan here are a few pics of the Chrysler interior. That is all the original vinyl from new except the armesrt covers , that's some long grain vinyl that looks aweful . The interior didn't quite come looking like this , tahts probably why the car didn't sell so well . It had an over cover on the front seat in beige , the seats were dirty and the cloth inserts were worn from age . Once I removed the over cover , scrubbed the vinyl up and bought some NOS Insert fabric from SMS and had my trimmer painstakingly resew all the old holes and fit the new insert even using the original hard plastic unobtanium metallic satin gold piping , its all 1957 again . The main vinyl is beige with a pinky hue to it , and the lower rear door panels are an aspro pink and the main door panels are the beige and aspro pink . When SMS sends you samples they don't even know about the Pink being part of the trim package .

Here is also a pic of what I belive your trim would have looked like , but the insert has has a different cloth fitted over the years .

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Posted 2018-11-06 7:16 AM (#573042 - in reply to #572778)
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James, that interior is spellbinding. I can't stop looking at it. What a car, wow.

I believe my old 4dr hardtop was a code 25 car, but the trim tag was so rusty that it was unreadable. I have several pictures of the interior for reference, if needed. But here is the filthy, though untouched, back seat with the green vinyl and jacquard fabric. I always thought the fabric was black though, and not green! Probably would look better if it were cleaned.



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Posted 2018-11-06 9:15 AM (#573047 - in reply to #573040)
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The Adventurer - 2018-11-06 6:23 AM

Hi Brad , was that your trim booklet , ive been looking hard for one for years ! My friend has the dealer light box for 57 Chrysler but I cant afford to buy it a this time !

Nathan here are a few pics of the Chrysler interior. That is all the original vinyl from new except the armesrt covers ,


Oh wow! This is what I've been always talking about. Pure 50s! One of the most beautiful interiors I've ever seen! Love it!
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Posted 2018-11-06 10:01 AM (#573051 - in reply to #573047)
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So if the original paint code FXF meant Parade Green roof, white body, Parade Green sweep





Then the "25" trim code makes perfect sense from a colour co-ordination view point:





Might make sense to "restore"/fix/whatever it back to that.

But that is just my opinion. It's your car obviously.

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Posted 2018-11-06 11:09 AM (#573054 - in reply to #572778)
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I'm guessing that interior will look just as good in an FXF car as an XFX car.
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Posted 2018-11-06 11:30 AM (#573057 - in reply to #573054)
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I started thinking maybe the '349' was missing because your car had been built late enough in the year that "dual" headlights had been phased out, and "quads" were standard equipment, so it would not be necessary for the code to appear.

When I noted your SCH build date as April 6 1957, I started thinking that date sure sounded familiar. I looked at my New Yorker's tag, and it was built on the same day, in the same plant. In fact, yours was the 328th ITEM (Detroit-built New Yorker) on the line that day and mine followed it down 39 units later, the 367th. The 'BODY' number (total ITEMs produced at that factory up to that point) confirm this - they were built exactly 39 cars apart.

uh... wow...


I'd say it appears your car didn't get built with quad headlights or fender ornaments. It looks like maybe someone put another pair of fenders on it at some point, or possibly the dealer made those changes when the car was new.

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Posted 2018-11-06 4:08 PM (#573065 - in reply to #572778)
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Thank you James for posting those pictures. It's the first time I have seen a code 27 interior. You did a great job with the fabric replacement. Really nice looking. I wonder if I can get my wife to sew into all the old holes....probably not.

Danny, wow, what are the chances of that? Our cars were born on the same day in the same plant! If you could go back in time to that day, you would see them both sitting there in the line.

I was thinking the same thing about them no longer bothering to put the dual headlamp option on there, but your car practically proves that not to be the case since it was only 39 cars behind mine on the same day, in the same plant.
So yes, mine was likely a single headlight car originally. Maybe I will swap it back to singles, or maybe not. I do have some single fenders around so I could do it if I wanted to bad enough, but I think I prefer the duals anyway.
I believe that my car was originally sold to North Dakota, I have the original plate that was under the front seat. It's a little weird though because I thought that by January of '57, all the cars were fitted with dual lamps. But it looks like it just became an option that you could ask for in all the states after January.

Oh, and I agree with you that someone must have replaced the fabric in your parts car at some point. That is the black version, not the green one. My green fabric is a lot different looking, and yours looks like the fabric in my other black car.

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Posted 2018-11-07 12:06 AM (#573085 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Danny (and Nathan and Sid) , much appreciated , we have had to bring out many cars to Australia and go through so much work , pain , effort and money to finally get such a nice car as this , so I feel we have earned it . If I could go back in time and order any 57 car in the Mopar lineup it would have been a Sunset Rose and code 27 Trim ,so for me it was the ultimate finding the car you like in the colour and trim you like, and it has a great story .
I have followed your car and nathans cars and love seeing what you guys do to them . You are like me and if I was to modify the car I would do it tastefully which you do very well .
I guess we are all lucky to have such kool cars as these 61 years on !
That green trim in your 4 door car has me intrigued , either they made a factory mistake , it was a special order or it was replaced with whatever they could find and black may have been the only one available years later . I guess we will never know now !
The back on the front seat might give it away as a cue , as I doubt that would have been worn out , so if its black there you can almost guarantee it may have been a special order . I love the rear armrest in the 4 door . Makes it look even better .
I cant believe you guys cars are made on the same day 39 cars apart , what are the chances . I checked mine and no such luck , 26 December 1956 mine was built !

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Posted 2018-11-07 9:16 AM (#573107 - in reply to #572778)
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James, I added a picture of your gorgeous code 27 interior to my mid-century page on Pinterest (hopefully permission granted). Thanks!


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Posted 2018-11-07 10:26 AM (#573109 - in reply to #572778)
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Dave, I haven't fully decided yet which color scheme I will be using. I still have time until I am ready to paint the firewall. I am considering 3 schemes as the moment: original, reversed and green/black. I don't want black/green because I already have a black New Yorker body. This is what they might look like.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-11-07 11:17 AM (#573111 - in reply to #572778)
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no to the black...
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-11-07 11:32 AM (#573112 - in reply to #572778)
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This is the license plate that was under the seat. Looks like it is from 1967 from South Dakota. The numbers look like 3-14389. I had to take a picture of it before it crumbles into dust.



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57burb
Posted 2018-11-07 12:54 PM (#573118 - in reply to #573112)
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I usually have a strong opinion on things but when I step back and squint at each of those color schemes to get an idea of how the colors and patterns work together, I don't have a real preference. They're all pretty good!

Maybe go with the factory scheme because it does look nice. And for some people, having a car in its original colors means something, which could translate to a selling point later.

That license plate could be restored! First, you take a piece of sheet metal and stamp all those characters in it, and then you put it on the car.

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Viper Guy
Posted 2018-11-07 9:57 PM (#573149 - in reply to #572778)
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White looks best to me on this New Yorker. Don't really know why but it just stands out better - more classy maybe?
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The Adventurer
Posted 2018-11-08 5:00 AM (#573155 - in reply to #572778)
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That's cool with me putting it on the mid century page Nathan !

I asked my dad as he's always been good on colours and hes not even one to really like white but says the white with green sweep and roof strikes his liking . I like them all myself !
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Posted 2018-11-08 10:58 AM (#573171 - in reply to #572778)
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If I reverse the colors, I think I would go with a little lighter shade. That would look better.



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Posted 2018-11-09 9:09 PM (#573254 - in reply to #572778)
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I'm the guy who sold this car to Nathan I had it for about a year. I know how hard they are to find, but with so many other cars ahead of it I realized I would never ever get around to it. I wanted it to go to good home where it would get fully restored and I know that is Nathan's place I am parting out one that is literally a twin to this car, exact same color combination, but rotted almost in half.
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Posted 2018-11-09 11:19 PM (#573262 - in reply to #572778)
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Im gonna have to vote white also... that second green looks better though
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Posted 2018-11-12 6:27 AM (#573366 - in reply to #572778)
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Hey Danny did you get my emails photos ok ? Let me know if they haven't got through to you .

Nathan is this what you are looking for ?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1957-Chrysler-New-Yorker-Town-and-Countr...

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Posted 2018-11-12 11:25 AM (#573378 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Garrett for the sale and the encouragement.

James, that emblem looks like the correct color scheme, but also appears to have been re-painted as the silver is a little too dark, and the gold isn't shiny enough. Would be OK for a driver, but not at that price.
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Posted 2018-11-12 2:30 PM (#573391 - in reply to #572778)
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I wish you needed another frame.. I have one I'd give you!

I like the green body with white stripe better than the white with green stripe. But really....I'd avoid green altogether. I'm not sure I like the side trim at all....I'd probably paint it all one color - white or black - and chop the top a few inches and....
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Posted 2018-11-12 4:57 PM (#573411 - in reply to #572778)
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Nathan I agree I thought it look painted also . I need one also , but I don't really want to spend that much at the moment either. Although I love the look of the emblem and surround I think that is the one thing that ruins a 57 NY . A round badge in that spot look silly , that's why in 58 they deleted it . Just my opinion though .
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Posted 2018-11-13 2:33 PM (#573452 - in reply to #572778)
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Greg, if you were closer, I would take that frame from you. I seem to use all the parts I end up with. I like the look with the front hood emblem, James, but only if the car doesn't have those optional hood ornaments. Those really clash with that emblem, and I don't really like the look of them anyway. But I wish the emblem weren't made of plastic because it doesn't stand a chance in the hot sun here, sitting on top of the car.

I need to strengthen some of the lower areas before I try lifting the body up. The rear quarters don't need to support much of the weight of the car, but I need to use them to give the structure stability. Otherwise it gets pretty dicey with all the weight near the middle and front of the car. Unfortunately, the lower quarters are rusted as usual so they can't currently support any weight. The wheel lip is also rusted on the right side so that isn't a good option either. But the inner structure on the right side of the lower quarter panel is strong enough that with a good panel welded in place over the rusted outer areas, that it should be plenty strong to support the car back there. So I used a section of rocker panel to tack weld over it, and that looks like it will work well there. However, the left side is another story. Over there, there remains only a skeleton of the inner and outer structure that isn't really capable of holding anything. So I will need to cut out the outer rust to get to the inner part, fix it, and then fix the outer metal. In the end, I figure it will be just as fast to fix it properly as to do a temporary structure on this side, so that's the plan for it. I will use these nice replacement panels I purchased from Lennart in Sweden, and weld them in place once I get the inner structure fixed.

Also notice my leaf spring on the right side? I broke the main leaf by pulling on it with my hands.

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57burb
Posted 2018-11-14 11:42 AM (#573503 - in reply to #573452)
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I have a pair of those 'blackcar' full length lower quarter panels for these cars, if you're interested. I'm sure you're aware the reviews are 'mixed' at best, but could really help with getting a car like this one together.

They will transport nicely on a power seat and other large '57 NYer parts that you might need.
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Posted 2018-11-14 2:15 PM (#573507 - in reply to #572778)
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I'm not familiar with the blackcar versions. I can't use the thin gauge classicparts4u crap. I bought a pair, easily bent them in half and threw them into the scrap pile. Can you measure the thickness of them & maybe post a picture? If they are a decent thickness, I could use them. I definitely want your seat if we can figure a way to ship it wihtout breaking my bank. John is on his way home now from the East coast, but it may be a bit late to ask him.
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Posted 2018-11-14 3:30 PM (#573517 - in reply to #573507)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-14 2:15 PM

I'm not familiar with the blackcar versions.


http://www.blackcar-llc.com/mopar.html

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57burb
Posted 2018-11-14 5:06 PM (#573530 - in reply to #573507)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-14 1:15 PM

I'm not familiar with the blackcar versions. I can't use the thin gauge classicparts4u crap. I bought a pair, easily bent them in half and threw them into the scrap pile. Can you measure the thickness of them & maybe post a picture? If they are a decent thickness, I could use them. I definitely want your seat if we can figure a way to ship it wihtout breaking my bank. John is on his way home now from the East coast, but it may be a bit late to ask him.


They're pretty much the same crap, if not exactly the same. They may be thin, but they ain't rusty.

I saw that John is stuck in New Mexico with a busted trailer. He was just through DFW. Would have been great to send him on with those parts!

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-11-17 9:07 PM (#573676 - in reply to #572778)
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Yeah, I'll talk to him in a couple weeks and see when the next time he is likely to head that way.

I made some progress on the left lower quarter today. I usually like to keep a skeleton of the original structure because it makes it easier to keep it in the right position. But the inner panel on this one was really too far gone to do that, so I created a pattern from my other car to help me figure out where to put the bends in the new panel. The pattern I made fits like a glove in there right now so all is good. Right now I have the inner metal spot welded in place. I will cut the outer panel and trial fit it in place before I do the final welding on the inner panel to make sure I have it exactly where I want it before it becomes final. I thought I would get the outer panel cut today as well, but the sun goes down so quickly in the winter that I have less time to get it done. But at least it isn't burning hot during the day, so I'm happy.



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