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macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Bought a 58 Imperial. It's a base model 4 dr hdtp. However it's probably one the more highly optioned ones ever built. Pwr seat, Pwr windows, Deluxe dual A/C, Auto-Pilot, Clock, Rear Shelf Speaker, Left remote mirror, optional hood ornament, Electro-touch radio w/pwr antenna, shaded backlight. That's all on the data tag. Also code 406... not sure what that is. Runs and drives (yard drives, no brakes). Rough but not a lot of rust. I'll post some pictures when I get it cleaned up some. It's filthy. | ||
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | Hey Dave, congrats! Sounds like a cool car. Let's see some pics! 406 = Accessory Package A (vanity mirror + day/night dash mounted rearview mirror + license plate frame) | ||
Administrator |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 967 Location: Pittsburgh, PA | [2019-03-14 Automated Thread Reset] | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Haven't done a whole lot since getting it. Got some brakes. Replaced the busted passenger window. Now this surprised me... a lot. Just for grins I decided to see about the A/C. So I hooked up a vacuum and evacuated for about an hour. Shut off the pump and it held solid. Added a couple of cans of 134a and it actually works. I have no idea when it last did. Blows cold from the back and front. Amazing. What will be truly amazing is if it still does tomorrow. I won't be surprised if it leaks like a sieve. | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Yeah this will keep me busy for a bit. So far every thing I've tried works except the emergency brake and the dimmer switch. 392 starts right up every time and runs smooth and quiet. I need to do a compression test still. I haven't driven it on the road so I don't know if the Auto-Pilot does in fact work. (58imp62819.JPG) (58imp62819a.JPG) (58imp62819b.JPG) (58imp62819c.JPG) (58imp62819d.JPG) (58imp62819e.JPG) (58imp62819f.JPG) (58imp62819g.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 58imp62819.JPG (151KB - 456 downloads) 58imp62819a.JPG (107KB - 472 downloads) 58imp62819b.JPG (58KB - 451 downloads) 58imp62819c.JPG (161KB - 464 downloads) 58imp62819d.JPG (146KB - 470 downloads) 58imp62819e.JPG (140KB - 459 downloads) 58imp62819f.JPG (138KB - 466 downloads) 58imp62819g.JPG (127KB - 468 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Looks like a really solid car from the pictures you've posted. Congrats on a decent score. I'm surprised that the A/C held a charge of R-134a refrigerant and managed to actually work (for awhile). That was definitely an R-12 set-up and has the wrong o-rings and stuff to keep a 134a charge in.Still, it is encouraging to know the A/C can be made to work. | ||
Phil_the_frenchie |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 915 Location: Pau, S-W France | On my 57 when i restored it i put also R134 ( 15 years ago ?) but i removed the mineral oil compressor and put the correct oil (synthetic). The A/C blows cold but after one or two years a leak appeared at the sight glass and since i haven't replaced it. if I put back into operation today i 'll charge the system with Duracool, that's what i did in the '70 Ford, that works great (and with original oil). | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | That is a uniquely optioned Base model! Electric door locks and rear defogger are the only options I see missing. On your dimmer switch, check your bulbs first. I've had them burned out more often than the switch. Looks like a very solid body too, you did good getting this one. I can't wait to see more updates! | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Yeah the body is very solid. There is some rust on the drivers floor not bad... 2 inch hole. Other than that really nice. I've got all the trim including the option hood ornament. My sedan parts car has the pwr door locks... have to check and see if it has the rear defogger. Maybe I use them to give the 4dr hdtp an upgrade. (58imp62919.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 58imp62919.JPG (185KB - 462 downloads) | ||
Phil_the_frenchie |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 915 Location: Pau, S-W France | If you have dual A/C you can't have the rear defoger | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Why is that? Compatibility issue or clearance? It looks like one could fit there. It does however look like there is no clearance for the rear speaker in the center hole. The side speaker holes are used for the A/C diffusers. Different issue. Does anyone know of a source for the woven mat that goes on the package shelf? | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Phil is right. Rear defogger would go in the same place as the large intake vent on dual A/C so it's an either or option same as the instant heat and A/C. I got the defogger confused with rear center speaker which is possible with dual A/C (DSC01396.JPG) Attachments ---------------- DSC01396.JPG (69KB - 476 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Ok, I guess I'm confused or just not getting it. I always thought this was the slot for the rear defogger. I see woven part of your's is like mine... touch it and it's dust (58def.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 58def.JPG (52KB - 467 downloads) | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | That is the slot for rear defogger. The interference would be top side trim of each. Plus, it would be counter-productive to have both as the rear a/c could defog the window if needed. Yes, my woven mat is dust and that's on a car that's been garaged almost entirely since new. I never looked for a replacement source. | ||
Imp58Alpes |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | And don't lose that parking brake release knob and light, that's 1 year only, and specific to the cars that came with Autopilot. | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Thanks. I'll definitely keep track of them during the restoration. (ebrake.JPG) Attachments ---------------- ebrake.JPG (89KB - 498 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Floors, rockers and trunk solid with the exception of the drivers floor. A little work to do there but minor. Whew. (58792019.JPG) (58792019b.JPG) (58792019a.JPG) (58imp62819f.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 58792019.JPG (106KB - 448 downloads) 58792019b.JPG (181KB - 480 downloads) 58792019a.JPG (119KB - 461 downloads) 58imp62819f.JPG (138KB - 459 downloads) | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Nice metal! You still have that 1in black filler strip between the trunk extension and the quarter panel too | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Almost done with the toilet seat. Bit more sanding yet. Hood is next (ToiletSeat.JPG) Attachments ---------------- ToiletSeat.JPG (70KB - 410 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Deck lid had a few dings which needed some work. Hood was essentially perfect. (decklid.JPG) (hood.JPG) Attachments ---------------- decklid.JPG (88KB - 409 downloads) hood.JPG (71KB - 403 downloads) | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . The Flitesweep rear deck lid is optional equipment too… it should have code 365 on the data tag… | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Yes, you are correct. (datatag.JPG) Attachments ---------------- datatag.JPG (162KB - 395 downloads) | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . Thanks for posting the picture. Where did you see a code 406, as you stated above? I think originally your A/C is single unit (because code 341), and not 342 as dual unit has I see also code 307 that mean Power Door Locks | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . I guess if your car would be equipped with «Mirror Package A» - the code 406 would be here… Just on the left of ?olumn code 467 – Solex Tinted Glass with Shaded Windshield (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (65KB - 412 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Oops. I might have posted the wrong tag. I'll check | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Sorry about that. I had the tag from my sedan posted. The correct one is up there now. | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . 614 = Imperial Custom Southampton 4door Hardtop SCDL 0707 = Scheduled on July 07, 1958 ITM 351 = 51th car built that day PNT XXX = Paint Ermine (originally White) TRM 054 = Blue Diamond Glow Jacquard Cloth and Blue Vinyl 304 = Power Windows 303 = Power Seat 6 Way 365 = Flitesweep Rear Deck Lid 408 = Hood Ornament 342 = Heater and Air Conditioning – Dual Unit 402 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror with Remote Control (instead Conventional Mirror 401 below) 406 = Mirror Package «A» including: 401 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror, 404 = Prismatic Tilt Type Mirror, 405 = Visor Vanity Mirror 469 = Solex Tinted Glass and Large Shaded Rear Window SRL 16759 = Serial Number LY1*16759 445 = Electro Touch Tuner Radio (including Power Antenna on Imperials) You told that your car equipped with Rear Shelf Speaker option (code 327), but if you take a closer look it is not a code 327 – it is code F7. Unfortunately I don’t have any info about it and about code C1 as well. Can you post the picture of broadcast sheet? (Of course if you have it); It might be clear the situation… | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . This is ’58 Chrysler New Yorker 4door Hardtop (body code 554) For confirming the code 327 actually looks like this: (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (154KB - 408 downloads) | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . Forgot to say (if you interested) – this 32x column might to mean also: 321 = Convertible Top Color – Black 322 = Convertible Top Color – Ivory 323 = Convertible Top Color – Blue 324 = Convertible Top Color – Green 327 = Rear Seat Speaker (Convertibles or Wagons could not have this option) 328 = Locked Luggage Compartment for Station Wagons | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | No sheet unfortunately. It does have auto-pilot. Shouldn't that be 397? Edited by macedon 2020-06-19 3:27 PM | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . It makes sense. Build sheet would confirm it anyway. Have you any thoughts about C1? | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . Found Crown Sedan (body code 633) data tag with C2 option… Could it be a «Market»? 611 = Domestic Market 612 = Export Market (C2 option.jpg) Attachments ---------------- C2 option.jpg (58KB - 404 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Not sure what C1 stands for. Here's a question. My dash has two blower switch knobs. The second one is left of the wheel where the antenna knob is on my sedan. I'm guessing the antenna gets activated with the radio on/off switch. I'll find out when I go through the wiring I suppose. | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | frwl - 2020-06-19 3:52 PM . Found Crown Sedan (body code 633) data tag with C2 option… Could it be a «Market»? 611 = Domestic Market 612 = Export Market That's actually the trim tag of one of my 58's Don't know if anyone has figured out the C1/C2 code | ||
Imp58Alpes |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | KcImperial - 2020-06-20 7:31 AM That's actually the trim tag of one of my 58's Don't know if anyone has figured out the C1/C2 code I haven't. Mine was "none" despite being an export. Not all have C1 or C2 (many have nothing under the letters). I have tags showing: A0, A9, C1, C2, F7. | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1890 | . I guess the letter «A» means optional rear axle ratio (A0 = 550 = 3,15 to 1 and A9 = 559) Maybe the letter «C» means optional generator or something else… | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Third and hopefully final block sanding. Should be ready to shoot the Ermine base coat later this week. (block.JPG) Attachments ---------------- block.JPG (71KB - 397 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Hood, decklid, fenders (inner and outer) and a few other bits done. I used the Eastwood Dead Rat Flat Black for the blackout areas. I think it's a good match and I like the name. Doors next. (blackout.JPG) Attachments ---------------- blackout.JPG (28KB - 407 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Decklid Emblem (decklid emblem.JPG) Attachments ---------------- decklid emblem.JPG (47KB - 385 downloads) | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3887 Location: Northen Virginia | LOOKING GREAT! | ||
57burb |
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | Yes sir, "Finest Expression of the Forward Look" indeed! Nice job, Dave! | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | This is the color for the roof. Just the forward section. The back of the roof will be white. This car came with the blue interior. I'll be restoring it to that. (blue.JPG) Attachments ---------------- blue.JPG (32KB - 394 downloads) | ||
NicksGarage |
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Expert Posts: 1223 Location: Ramona, CA | Did you find a source for the woven rear deck mat? I've been looking for material for my 300F. The original is woven paper and even Gary Goers was not able to source a correct replacement. I've been looking at woven wallpapers and will probably use something like that and paint it black. (rear_deck.jpg) (rear_deck_myer_ns_49004.jpg) Attachments ---------------- rear_deck.jpg (180KB - 382 downloads) rear_deck_myer_ns_49004.jpg (133KB - 381 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | This woven tablecloth is really close to the original weave. Obviously would need to be painted. I bought color-matched blue to do the interior parts. https://tableclothsfactory.com/products/54-x-4-yards-multi-color-eco... (originalweave.JPG) (tablecloth.JPG) Attachments ---------------- originalweave.JPG (323KB - 386 downloads) tablecloth.JPG (123KB - 393 downloads) | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | I do have the correct color matched blue. I'm just not ready to mix some up yet. So grabbed a rattle can just to see how it takes paint. Seems fine. The weave is a little bigger than factory. I think it's in character of the original and it meets my needs. (package tray.JPG) Attachments ---------------- package tray.JPG (227KB - 376 downloads) | ||
NicksGarage |
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Expert Posts: 1223 Location: Ramona, CA | Looks like a great choice. At least it's part of the car that would be easy to update if something better comes along. | ||
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Location: North Australia | I used a replacement vinyl with a basket weave pattern. Looks OK. Steve. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nolans.com.au... | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | These are the special brackets for the autopilot and sideways mounted Vacuum can. It doesn't look like they were painted for the original installation. Because of the corrosion I don't think I'll want to go with that. I'll need to treat fill and paint. So black like the can? Or white like the body? (autobracket.JPG) Attachments ---------------- autobracket.JPG (51KB - 325 downloads) | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | With it being an accessory item, I think it would look better/more appropriate painted black Cool to see those brackets and the whole Auto-Pilot is such a fascinating option but... I can't imagine how much it will suck trying to check your brake fluid or anything else on that side of the engine | ||
macedon |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 963 Location: San Antonio, TX | Haha. You are so right. I've got the brakes working and good shape. Putting the master cylinder cap on and getting that bolt on and tight is only possible if you have experience as a sideshow contortionist. | ||
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