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Darryl T
Posted 2022-04-21 4:28 PM (#620998 - in reply to #580276)
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Darryl T
Posted 2022-05-04 12:51 PM (#621273 - in reply to #614633)
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57chizler - 2021-08-31 11:44 AM

Darryl T - 2021-08-30 6:49 PM
Yes, the ugly wheels are just rollers and will soon be replaced.


Glad to hear that. Can't wait to see the finished project...I'm green with envy.


I think these 18" Schott wheels look a little better.





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Posted 2022-05-05 6:45 AM (#621282 - in reply to #580276)
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Posted 2022-05-05 12:29 PM (#621284 - in reply to #621273)
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Darryl T
Posted 2022-05-05 1:46 PM (#621285 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: McCleary WA		Front wheel is missing its center cap in this photo. When installed the lug nuts are covered, which was the goal and not easy to find. I've been building street rods for 57 years and have a pretty good idea what I want, but to each their own. If you liked those plastic covered stock Chrysler 300C wheels I'll make you a good deal on them
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Darryl T
Posted 2022-07-08 9:17 PM (#622733 - in reply to #621285)
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Location: McCleary WA		Getting ready for the speedwagon's debut at the Puyallup Goodguys show in two weeks. Not quite finished as the radiator is behind schedule and the fuel tanks are not installed yet, but it is looking good. The 5-speed NAG1 trans is operated by a modified Powerflite shifter with "P" for Park, the custom gauges are in place, and the interior is looking great; 14" disc brakes, independent rear end, power R&P steering, power adjustable brake and throttle pedals; power windows and locks; vent windows eliminated; and lots of other subtle touches most people will never notice. Horsepower Northwest is doing a great job.



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Posted 2022-07-09 2:03 PM (#622747 - in reply to #622733)
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Posted 2022-07-11 12:22 PM (#622801 - in reply to #580276)
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Posted 2022-07-21 8:16 PM (#623084 - in reply to #622801)
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Location: McCleary WA		Here are some more photos, taken at Goodguys. Unfortunately, it ended up being in the shade, so the color doesn't pop like when in the sun. The paint quality is incredible. It will sit lower in the back when the 200 lbs of fuel tanks and $200 worth of gas are on board.



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resq302
Posted 2022-07-22 2:23 AM (#623094 - in reply to #580276)
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looks awesome ! very nice job. Might you have any spare parts that you'd be willing to sell? We also have a 57 2 door Dodge Suburban that my great grandmother bought new.
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Posted 2022-07-22 12:23 PM (#623100 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: So. Cal		I love how you've kept it classy looking. It looks really nice. I'm not a fan of consoles. They remind me of everything I dislike about newer cars, but I can appreciate the comfort of a bucket seat. I really like how you have installed 3 point belts in the front. I hope you added the mounts for 3 point belts in the rear too? If you or the next owner wants to actually transport kids or others in the car.
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Posted 2022-07-22 1:21 PM (#623103 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: WA/USA		This turned out really nice. I wasn't into the color combo at first, but the interior brought it all together. I really like your steering wheel choice - up to date, but also a classic look.

Hope to see it around and get an up close, detailed look at it.
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Darryl T
Posted 2022-07-22 11:43 PM (#623114 - in reply to #623094)
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resq302 - 2022-07-21 11:23 PM

Might you have any spare parts that you'd be willing to sell? We also have a 57 2 door Dodge Suburban that my great grandmother bought new.


I think I already sold you some parts. Let me know what you need, I have a lot. PM works, or email.
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Darryl T
Posted 2022-07-22 11:57 PM (#623115 - in reply to #623100)
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Powerflite - 2022-07-22 9:23 AM

I'm not a fan of consoles. They remind me of everything I dislike about newer cars, but I can appreciate the comfort of a bucket seat. I really like how you have installed 3 point belts in the front. I hope you added the mounts for 3 point belts in the rear too? .


In addition to its obvious functions, the console provides a place to hide the electronics for the 2019 hemi and automatic trans controls - they are bulky. As for the seat belts, note the retractors are inside of the door posts and unseen - you don't have to trip over them to get in the back seat. The upholsterer tucked the ends under the seats as he ran out of time to properly attach them at the bottom of the door post, which will get done next week. The back seat will have 3 sets of lap belts but unfortunately no shoulder ones. With the sliding windows there was no practical place to attach them. I doubt the seat will get used much anyway.
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Darryl T
Posted 2022-07-23 12:01 AM (#623116 - in reply to #623103)
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AceS - 2022-07-22 10:21 AM

Hope to see it around and get an up close, detailed look at it.


It will be at Goodguys in Puyallup all weekend - come see it. I even can provide a free pass to the first who asks.
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Posted 2022-08-10 1:45 PM (#623473 - in reply to #580276)
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Posted 2022-12-03 1:31 PM (#626057 - in reply to #623473)
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Location: McCleary WA		Almost finished - should have home by Christmas!




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Posted 2022-12-15 7:45 PM (#626354 - in reply to #626057)
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Location: McCleary WA		The Speedwagon came home today after 2 years and 9 months in the pro shop. What a great ride home - 80 felt just as smooth as 60, and this was on backroads not freeways. Hats off to the MoPar experts at Horsepower Northwest in Bremerton WA for a job well done.



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Posted 2022-12-16 6:36 AM (#626363 - in reply to #580276)
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Posted 2022-12-16 6:46 PM (#626378 - in reply to #580276)
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needs whitewalls is that all stock setup suspension? just huge rims? looks like the front is tight
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Posted 2022-12-17 1:31 AM (#626384 - in reply to #626378)
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mikes2nd - 2022-12-16 3:46 PM
is that all stock setup suspension? just huge rims? looks like the front is tight

The rear suspension is 2006 Chrysler 300C IRS. The front is stock with 14" Chrysler disc brakes and 18" Schott wheels. It's close but doesn't rub. Rides and drives very well.
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Posted 2022-12-17 1:34 AM (#626385 - in reply to #626363)
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57plymouth - 2022-12-16 3:36 AM

I'd like to see more photos in the sun to do the paint color more justice.


So would I. Maybe next spring?
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Posted 2022-12-19 10:12 AM (#626439 - in reply to #580276)
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Posted 2022-12-19 11:21 AM (#626441 - in reply to #626439)
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Posted 2022-12-19 2:01 PM (#626443 - in reply to #626439)
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chstrumpetdude - 2022-12-19 7:12 AM

Did the Vintage Aire get mounted on the passenger side?


We used Restomod Air, on the passenger side. I moved the wiper motor to the driver's side, which wasn't that difficult. We also flattened the firewall inside, by removing the stock air plenum. Ended up with a pretty small glove box, but it is still useable.
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Posted 2023-02-14 9:41 AM (#627598 - in reply to #621285)
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Darryl T - 2022-05-05 12:46 PM

Front wheel is missing its center cap in this photo. When installed the lug nuts are covered, which was the goal and not easy to find. I've been building street rods for 57 years and have a pretty good idea what I want, but to each their own. If you liked those plastic covered stock Chrysler 300C wheels I'll make you a good deal on them :)
I'd go for Cragar SS myself...
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Posted 2023-05-20 6:30 PM (#629681 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: McCleary WA		First car show, first trophy (Best Mopar) today. Took away a little of the pain of getting backed into by an old codger (my age) a week ago on its first long trip, 300 miles down into Oregon and back. Amazing the damage a trailer hitch on a Ford F-250 can do - about $10k worth. Waiting to see what his Country Mutual insurance will do. If there are problems my Grundy coverage will step in I'm sure. Car builder refused to repair it ("We don't do insurance work") so will most likely be going to the shop that painted my convertible, but they are booked up until Fall.
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Posted 2023-05-22 12:56 AM (#629729 - in reply to #629681)
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Posted 2023-07-09 6:51 PM (#630670 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: McCleary WA		Fifth car show today and third trophy - Best MoPar, Best in Show, and Best Modified, all with a caved-in door and quarter panel. As stated before we don't do this for trophies, but it is gratifying to get recognition from your peers for all your hard work. And it is fun educating the general public - "I didn't know Dodge ever made a two-door wagon" is second to "Oh no, how did that happen?" The car was built to be a driver not a show car, but that part took a decidedly bad turn May 13. It will go in the shop this fall and emerge as good as new.
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Posted 2023-12-11 2:04 PM (#633039 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: Finland		Hello Darryl! The original Dodge centerling is 22" between inner tie rod ends. The same dimension in the 300C rack is 25". Does this effect notably to the steering geometry? Thanks!

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Posted 2023-12-11 6:36 PM (#633044 - in reply to #630670)
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Darryl T - 2023-07-09 3:51 PMAnd it is fun educating the general public - "I didn't know Dodge ever made a two-door wagon"


I had forgotten (or missed) the damage back in May. Hope you can get it fixed soon.

As for the public and educating them about 2 dr 57 Dodge wagons, you might want to save, print and laminate this and keep it in the car.

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Darryl T
Posted 2023-12-12 2:13 PM (#633052 - in reply to #633039)
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JouniK - 2023-12-11 11:04 AM

Hello Darryl! The original Dodge centerling is 22" between inner tie rod ends. The same dimension in the 300C rack is 25". Does this effect notably to the steering geometry? Thanks!

Jouni


I made new steering arms for the spindles out of 1" steel bar which are shorter and match the specs of the rack donor 300C AWD, plus shortened the rack slightly on each end. The arms were designed to provide proper Ackerman alignment. It drives great.
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Posted 2023-12-12 2:20 PM (#633053 - in reply to #633044)
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56D500boy - 2023-12-11 3:36 PM

Darryl T - 2023-07-09 3:51 PMAnd it is fun educating the general public - "I didn't know Dodge ever made a two-door wagon"


I had forgotten (or missed) the damage back in May. Hope you can get it fixed soon.

As for the public and educating them about 2 dr 57 Dodge wagons, you might want to save, print and laminate this and keep it in the car.

https://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/dodge/57dg1/bilder/7.jpg





At shows I usually have an original wagon dealer brochure laying on the tailgate for showing to those who say "I didn't know Dodge made a 2-door wagon".

And it finally goes into the shop for repair this afternoon. I was able to get a replacement door and quarter panel section from Big M, and a new rocker panel from Rocker King.
For the record, my Grundy insurance paid immediately with no hassle, and will go after the other guy's company for reimbursement. I can't say enough about Grundy's coverage. They even cover late models, with my Corvette and Harley costing about half of what they were previously.




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Posted 2023-12-15 9:31 PM (#633081 - in reply to #633053)
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Posted 2023-12-16 12:47 PM (#633083 - in reply to #633053)
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Darryl T - 2023-12-12 11:20 AM


And it finally goes into the shop for repair this afternoon. I was able to get a replacement door and quarter panel section from Big M, and a new rocker panel from Rocker King.
For the record, my Grundy insurance paid immediately with no hassle, and will go after the other guy's company for reimbursement. I can't say enough about Grundy's coverage. They even cover late models, with my Corvette and Harley costing about half of what they were previously.




Got any pics of the damage?
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Posted 2023-12-16 1:58 PM (#633085 - in reply to #633083)
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57chizler - 2023-12-16 9:47 AM

Got any pics of the damage?


I have resisted posting pics of the damage as they could affect the future value of the car, but I guess that ship has sailed. Hard to believe this happened on its first road trip. Almost $21k in damage, and that is open-ended if exceeded. As I said Grundy has been great to deal with.





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Darryl T
Posted 2023-12-16 2:42 PM (#633086 - in reply to #626354)
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Darryl T - 2022-12-15 4:45 PM

Hats off to the MoPar experts at Horsepower Northwest in Bremerton WA for a job well done.


I need to add a footnote to that statement. As with all projects I expected a few issues to arise, but the number I'm dealing with is beyond reason. Non-functioning A/C (4 attempts to charge, new hoses); a high-end alarm system that was installed despite non-compatibility with the can-bus wiring system they used (most of its wiring was not even installed); lights including hazard that only function with the ignition on; radio that won't pick up even local stations; a 1/2" p/s hose on a 3/8" nipple that leaked all over everything; one torsion bar set 2" higher than the other; etc. Most of these I have fixed myself as they refused to stand by their work. They said it was because I told them I was running low on funds but ignored the fact that I had already paid to have that stuff done correctly. And the icing on the cake was their refusal to fix the crash damage when they were the best possibility to match the paint.

Bottom line is, I don't want to be on record as recommending their work. I do not.
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Posted 2023-12-19 2:31 PM (#633103 - in reply to #633086)
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Reading about your collision reminded me of a poster I have on my shop wall, bottom right shows a guy going ballistic after a delivery truck rams his lead sled Merc.



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Darryl T
Posted 2023-12-20 2:55 PM (#633108 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: McCleary WA		Despite a few choice words yelled while still in the car, I was surprisingly calm when confronting the other driver. He was elderly (like me), very apologetic, and readily admitted his fault. And that it was his second accident in a week. Life goes on, it's just a car after all. But he is probably lucky the built-in holster was empty.....
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Location: McCleary WA		I think this shop qualifies. They painted my '57 convertible which turned out incredibly nice. Replacement door and quarter panel section came from Big M and a new rocker panel from Rocker King. My polisher has already repaired the sill plate.





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Darryl T
Posted 2024-04-16 10:14 PM (#634724 - in reply to #633782)
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Location: McCleary WA		Brought it home today. Color match by Customs Northwest, who painted my '57 Dodge convertible, is amazingly good. I still have to reassemble the door and reinstall the s/s moldings and front bumpers, but at least it is home. I chose to do that instead of the shop because I've done it so much by now. No point in making the insurance bill even higher.




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Darryl T
Posted 2024-04-18 1:32 PM (#634755 - in reply to #580276)
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Location: McCleary WA		I'll add a side view once the s/s trim and front bumpers are reinstalled. Anyone notice something different in this rear view? I used Plymouth backup lights and bumper guards so that I could use all 4 taillights for increased visibility at night.
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Darryl T - 2024-04-18 10:32 AM
I'll add a side view once the s/s trim and front bumpers are reinstalled. Anyone notice something different in this rear view? I used Plymouth backup lights and bumper guards so that I could use all 4 taillights for increased visibility at night.


Good idea. I like more taillights whenever possible.

Very subtle.





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Posted 2024-04-19 12:47 PM (#634769 - in reply to #634755)
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Darryl T - 2024-04-18 10:32 AM

I'll add a side view once the s/s trim and front bumpers are reinstalled. Anyone notice something different in this rear view? I used Plymouth backup lights and bumper guards so that I could use all 4 taillights for increased visibility at night.


Aha, always wondered why the bumper guards have those funky snap-in plugs.



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57chizler - 2024-04-19 9:47 AM
Aha, always wondered why the bumper guards have those funky snap-in plugs.


Actually, the bumper guards themselves are the same, but their brackets are different (to accommodate the light) as is their bolt spacing. Since I couldn't find two good Plymouth guards I had to convert one Dodge guard by welding in a Plymouth bracket before re-chroming, plus had to modify the holes in the bumper. But it gave me the look I wanted.

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Darryl T
Posted 2024-05-19 1:13 PM (#635270 - in reply to #634755)
Subject: Re: updating a '57 Dodge 2-door wagon



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Darryl T - 2024-04-18 10:32 AM

I'll add a side view once the s/s trim and front bumpers are reinstalled.


As promised, below. Went to our first show yesterday, good day even though we got caught in the rain. First time it has been wet in many years (I don't wash it, just use Griot's spray cleaner so far).




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Darryl T
Posted 2024-08-22 2:13 PM (#636667 - in reply to #580276)
Subject: Re: updating a '57 Dodge 2-door wagon



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Location: McCleary WA		We have over 3,500 miles on the wagon now and it is a blast to drive. I had new exhaust installed as the first shop ran it under the center crossmember where it dragged on every speed bump it met. I also had it electronically tuned to eliminate the extra-rich warm-up cycle. We had hoped to take a long trip in it this fall but that is looking less likely due to family commitments.

If anyone is interested, I got talked into doing a podcast video while at the 3,000+ car Puyallup WA Goodguys car show 7/26. The main reason I do these shows is to expose the public and other car owners to our FWL cars and try to educate them a bit. If I had a dollar for every time I heard "I didn't know Dodge made a two-door wagon" I could have paid for this project. Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbUxUXvYajA . You can skip forward to 22:45 for the relevant part. BTW we picked up trophy #12 last week, another Best in Show.

Also recently posted was a video interview with the new owner of my '57 Dodge hemi convertible. You can watch it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmP_GFlZMUM and enjoy the lack of knowledge of both the interviewer and owner. "Coronet Custom Royal Lancer" is not how I described it... The comments are interesting.
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Posted 2024-08-23 12:48 PM (#636682 - in reply to #636667)
Subject: Re: updating a '57 Dodge 2-door wagon



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So, you found it in Sacramento...what year was that? I'm located in Sacramento county.
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Posted 2024-08-23 1:29 PM (#636684 - in reply to #636682)
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Location: McCleary WA		I bought it 11/9/17 in Nicholaus, north of Sacramento. I had followed it on Craigslist for some time, as it seemed to be moving around the greater Bay area (which may just be due to my unfamiliarity with that area).
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