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chuckie
Posted 2019-05-27 11:35 AM (#582560)
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Graveyard Carz is building a '58 Fury with a 1000 hp hellcat engine
insane


https://www.hotrod.com/articles/greetings-grave-cunningham-mad/
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-05-27 11:50 AM (#582561 - in reply to #582560)
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Interesting. I am in Italy and I can get this forum but when I try link to the Hellcat Christine article, I get a block up that mentions some European Union Global Data Protection regulation or some such BS.





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chuckie
Posted 2019-05-27 1:24 PM (#582565 - in reply to #582560)
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I just tried it this way:
go to hotrod.com
search on graveyard carz
scroll down you will see the article
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-27 1:38 PM (#582566 - in reply to #582560)
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okay stock brakes? that's plain dumb I mean itll burn the brake right off it trying to stop after the first pull...

The frame? eh.. suspension? certainly not those 60 year old springs in the back? cmon now...
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60 dart
Posted 2019-05-27 4:40 PM (#582571 - in reply to #582560)
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doesn't make a difference if it's a 1000hp or 100000hp , it's all in the tire size/grip . i'd guess that , the car would never see a top end speed full open . so leaving
everything underneath wouldn't be problematic -------------------------------------------------later
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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-27 5:13 PM (#582573 - in reply to #582560)
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don't have access but thats plain stupid, not new or inventive and even if its a billion hp, their ***** don't grow bigger and a 10+ year old mid engined super car still runs circles around it at half throttle. whats the point?
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-27 7:36 PM (#582582 - in reply to #582560)
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Well if you going to idle the car around a parking lot I guess the brakes don't matter..
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2019-05-27 9:37 PM (#582584 - in reply to #582582)
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A well thought out 383 will scoot a 57-58 Plymouth around really well. I guess driving
cars has always been my angle to ownership, not drag racing. Seems like massive overkill
and expenditure for what ? .... just ot say you did it ? Bragging rights ? Or is this about
TV ratings for the show and the car is just bait to lure in those impressed with big horsepower ?
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-05-27 10:27 PM (#582589 - in reply to #582560)
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I quickly learned when I first got into cars to build the car for it's intended purpose. And never go overboard because if you do, you can easily end up with a trophy car that doesn't serve the purpose that you had in mind for it.... It ends up being more of a disappointment than anything else so you end up selling it off. A lot of the fun with these cars is the nostalgic feel to them and a newer motor in your car with all the digital wiring and controls can really ruin that aspect very quickly. An add-on EFI to the old motor can be done without being glaringly out of place.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2019-05-28 10:40 AM (#582609 - in reply to #582589)
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You describe my point of view pretty well, but for every one of me, there seems to be
500 guys who don't have any nostalgic vibe, and just see old cars as a platform to dump
every performance thing they can think of into.

When I lived in Seattle, I was much more car-active. Most of my motorhead friends reflected
the general trend of being more into muscle era Mopars than finned stuff, but it was a good
fit for the tech angles these guys applied to their go-fast machines. Still, it always annoyed/
amused me how they'd look under the hoods of my cars and, without exception, go into a rant
about how I should dump a ground-stomping 440 in there, and all the ways I could do it. No
amount of explaining could make them understand that colored wires and hoses and all that
stuff they thought essential would just kill my thrill of owning a fin era car. Being able to melt
the tires was of zero interest to me. Further, ... they were fascinated with the state of my cars,
..... they weren't constantly torn down to fix yet another major mechanical breakdown. Yet
they never could connect the dots that the reason their cars were always in a state of rebuild
was for no other reason than everything they kept suggesting I do to my cars !

We all have our own way of having fun with cars. I just never had the budget to be doing
expensive repairs and rebuilds, and actually enjoyed the time capsule capture of something
just as it was in the past. Something they felt was just in the way and needing of an "upgrade".
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58coronet
Posted 2019-05-28 11:16 AM (#582613 - in reply to #582560)
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My way of thinking is exactly like yours above, Doc. I have a super clean original 72 Nova 6 cylinder Powerglide that is a hoot to drive. Friends say I should drop a hi-performance SBC, and on and on. Why? the car essentially handles terrible, brakes aren't great, and Nova's always were a noisy car to drive. That is the fun of it! Pure early 70's motoring as it was originally!
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-05-28 12:51 PM (#582614 - in reply to #582565)
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chuckie - 2019-05-27 10:24 AM

I just tried it this way:
go to hotrod.com
search on graveyard carz
scroll down you will see the article


I tried your suggestion but Hotrod.com puts up the same EU Data Protection block so no go.

Based on the comments of others, I agree with them and now don't see the need to try again.

I can't wait for the "440" suggestions when I start showing my car this year (local no big deal shows)

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chuckie
Posted 2019-05-28 1:43 PM (#582615 - in reply to #582614)
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can you access facebook? it is on there too , video of car being lifted off the frame
https://www.facebook.com/graveyardcarz/
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57burb
Posted 2019-05-28 2:55 PM (#582620 - in reply to #582609)
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If someone wants me to help them market their new 1000 horsepower super engine, I am happy to have them give me one - and pay for my car's restoration, too.
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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-28 3:33 PM (#582623 - in reply to #582589)
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Powerflite - 2019-05-27 10:27 PM

I quickly learned when I first got into cars to build the car for it's intended purpose. And never go overboard because if you do, you can easily end up with a trophy car that doesn't serve the purpose that you had in mind for it.... It ends up being more of a disappointment than anything else so you end up selling it off. A lot of the fun with these cars is the nostalgic feel to them and a newer motor in your car with all the digital wiring and controls can really ruin that aspect very quickly.


I agree. Already 3 (at least) of these have been build already (1000+hp drag cars) modified/destroyed beyond repair and of course they started with rust free and straight cars, like most ego-rodders.
This poor Fury will be now exception I guess. Lots of cutting into pristine sheet metal that survived 60+ years for some guys ego-problems.
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Cmangeot
Posted 2019-05-28 4:07 PM (#582626 - in reply to #582623)
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It's gonna be amazing. The work that this shop produces is impeccable, and their attention to detail and originality on nut and bolt Mopar restorations is unparalleled. I am all for sharing perspectives. Why does this project make him an "ego-rodder"? Those of us who would find themselves lucky enough to have the option to fulfill our dream car projects would do it our own way, wouldn't we? The grapes always get so sour on this site when it comes to personal preferences. If you don't like it, that's OK. Don't look. But weeping electronically over the injustice of not keeping a car none of us own original is ridiculous.
I, for one, like Christine. If I had one, it would be equipped with reliable, modern running gear. Original cars are cool too. But man....are they needy when it comes to maintenance. As my Grandma used to say, "To each their own, said the bird as it ate the horsesh*t."
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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-28 5:23 PM (#582628 - in reply to #582626)
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Cmangeot - 2019-05-28 4:07 PM

Original cars are cool too. But man....are they needy when it comes to maintenance.


What exactly do you mean? Lubing the suspension and wheel bearings? Yes, that is why these cars last forever, unlike the new junk. Maintenance is better than replacing parts or buying a new car. My 60s wheel bearings and front U-joint, as well as the inner tie rod ends are still OE and like new, the upper ball joints were still okay when I replaced them (stupid me) the engine has never been rebuild, heads never been off, only timing chain/gears replaced, still runs like new with way over 330 000 miles and it has been abused before my time (31+ years ago). The steering box is untouched too and never leaked a drop. We are talking 60 Years of almost daily driving next September.
Real car guys love servicing their beloved cars and are not afraid of a grease gun or dirty hands.
My late 2014 companies car (already 1 factory recall) just developed serious engine problems with only around 45k well maintained miles on the clock and synthetic oil from day one. Want to hear the storys of my brothers new high end Mercedes's in the past 20 years?
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Cmangeot
Posted 2019-05-28 9:55 PM (#582639 - in reply to #582560)
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Again.....who defines “real car guys”? You? Me? The answer is, we define it for ourselves. Do what you like. Don’t whine about what others want to do with their car. Their vision of their perfect hobby car is just as pure as yours. No one’s is better than anyone else. Feel free to opine, but don’t call someone names, or assume you know their “ego-driven” just because you wouldn’t do what they do. Enjoy your cars, your way, and allow others the same luxury. That is the key to enjoying the hobby.
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Posted 2019-05-28 10:09 PM (#582640 - in reply to #582560)
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Although I agree with your sentiment, I have to say that I can't see any other purpose that 1000hp would serve other than an ego. Unless the owner is planning to drag race the car, there is nothing that 1000hp can do with reasonable street tires that 500 or 600 hp couldn't do. When people pursue those goals with no intention of drag racing it, I have to conclude that they are building a car for their ego. The extra hp only makes the car worse to drive and adds almost nothing to benefit over a more reasonable amount of power for driving on the street.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2019-05-29 2:06 AM (#582644 - in reply to #582640)
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This car runs a warmed up 440 Magnum. For those not familiar with this engine, it wears 906
heads, AVS carb, and high rise performance exhaust manifolds. It dyno'd at either 475 or 525hp
(it's been 20 years, so I can't remember which). It is backed by A-833 4-speed and has a 3.23
posi out back. I have never stomped it. Just a firm foot into the pedal and it breaks loose. The
posi makes it prone to squirrelling sideways, especially at the shifts.

I can hardly imagine how stupidly overpowered the car would be with essentially double that
many horses under the hood. Built into a car with skinnier tires and overall less beefy than how
Mopar ramped up parts by 1966, I would bet money the 58 Plymouth would fare worse than if
applied to the 66 Dodge.

Of course, if the Fury is built full-dress for drag strip racing, then the body becomes only a shell
to cover a purpose-built race chassis, and all this stock-talk becomes pointless.

Disirregardlessly, everyone is free to do with their car what they please, including crush it. My
interest in old stuff is capturing the essence of the time. I can think of a lot of car better suited
to deliver 1000hp to the streets, and to my thinking, a 58 Plymouth is way more interesting with
a period engine than something like these guys are doing, just as some might think modern bucket
seats and a tilt wheel are the cat's pajamas, I'd prefer a plain old bench seat with those cool 50's
unique fabric. To each their own.




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Posted 2019-05-29 3:35 AM (#582645 - in reply to #582560)
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A friend of mine subscribes on some American car Magazines. I have read several of the Hot Rod Magazines and thereby came to the conclusion that if a guy doesn't have 1000 hp or more in his car, then he's a nobody
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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-29 7:51 AM (#582649 - in reply to #582640)
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Powerflite - 2019-05-28 10:09 PM

Although I agree with your sentiment, I have to say that I can't see any other purpose that 1000hp would serve other than an ego. Unless the owner is planning to drag race the car, there is nothing that 1000hp can do with reasonable street tires that 500 or 600 hp couldn't do. When people pursue those goals with no intention of drag racing it, I have to conclude that they are building a car for their ego. The extra hp only makes the car worse to drive and adds almost nothing to benefit over a more reasonable amount of power for driving on the street.


Exactly. And even as a drag car, all that what has been done to it, can be done with a lighter/smaller car. So, again, what is the point of destroying it for that purpose?
It was a fine, well handling car build to transport people from A to B, and that is what a real car is supposed to do, it survived 60 plus years and will now become a hacked up paperweight.
There are people out there that do not build a car for the road but only for their ego (problems). I stand to what I said. I call them ego rodders. And everyone who welcomes the destruction of a rare classic car for a paperweight is not a car guy either.
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Posted 2019-05-29 5:52 PM (#582664 - in reply to #582560)
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I have seen a few episodes of this guys show and he reminds me of our dear departed Neil as in his attention to detail is beyond amazing, but he is into the muscle car era cars.

I dont have an issue with what he is doing at all, its just hotrodding. I am not really into T buckets and the like, but I would have one and I wouldnt mind building one either.

I would love to put a blown bb into my plymouth, but not rich enough to play that game, and its all to do wiyj looks as well, same reason I put the 2x4 on the dodge, pure looks.

The factory engine set up would have easily sufficed for driving the car around, but I wanted more in the looks dept than the stock 2 barrel was going to give.

Someone on here has (or had) a 58 with a v10 viper engine in it, thats cool as well

No point arguing with people about how to build a car because when you build a car for yourself (without seeing the episodes this car will be in, I assume he
is building it for himself)you build it how YOU want it

There are some horrendous cars out there (cue for Doc to post up his McDonalds car)but I doubt this plymouth will be one

I do agree though, I think with the engine thats going into it, I would at least do something with the brakes.

He does say in his blog (is that the right word?) about the "wide whites" so that leaves big brembos or whatever out because of wheel choice

Speaking of wheels, with that engine, wider rubber in the rear would be a good idea, which would (or should) mean tubbing and maybe suspension change or relocation

Maybe not to this extent, but this is to my taste



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Viper Guy
Posted 2019-05-29 6:53 PM (#582667 - in reply to #582560)
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I may not have 1000 HP but maybe close to half. Lots of fun and streetable. However it's not in a FL but still MoPar.



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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-29 7:03 PM (#582668 - in reply to #582667)
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Viper Guy - 2019-05-29 6:53 PM

I may not have 1000 HP but maybe close to half. Lots of fun and streetable. However it's not in a FL but still MoPar.


Yes, and that 100% from good old Detroit. No FIAT parts from the metrosexual smartphone generation
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-29 7:16 PM (#582672 - in reply to #582560)
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okay thats a bit much Fiat parts Dont get me wrong, I find the thousands of Challangers all over very annoying also but these kids dont even know what a FWL car is.

 

This is at lest exposing them to a FWL car.



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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-29 7:38 PM (#582676 - in reply to #582672)
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mikes2nd - 2019-05-29 7:16 PM

This is at lest exposing them to a FWL car.



Yet another problem. I do not want the attention of generation smart ass smart phone on FL cars. Enough have been hacked up beyond repair already, running around with 20+" rims.
This generation is so unbelievable stupid or ignorant I can't find words for it. I look younger than I am and cruise around a lot, so I have frequently the opportunity to talk with them. Bottom line, in the 50s people still lived on trees and old cars look nice but are technically junk. This is one of the reason it is so much fun to run circles around their oh so superior smart ass car with basically untouched 65 year old technology.
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Posted 2019-05-29 9:41 PM (#582680 - in reply to #582560)
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hah yeah well i guess that is the downside. The two door hardtops are getting harder and harder to find... only guys willing to cough up big bucks for a plymouth will own one.

the sedans are going up, the rust buckets are usually not worth it or to far gone for the kids to run out and slap 20 inch rims on them and drive.

I think this will drive up Plymouth prices though(not that i care), not so much for other fwl cars. But it will never reach where someone is repopping sheet metal en mass in China or something like a 57 Chevy.
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Posted 2019-05-30 11:51 AM (#582699 - in reply to #582676)
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mikes2nd - 2019-05-29 7:16 PM

This is at lest exposing them to a FWL car.



Yet another problem. I do not want the attention of generation smart ass smart phone on FL cars. Enough have been hacked up beyond repair already, running around with 20+" rims.
This generation is so unbelievable stupid or ignorant I can't find words for it. I look younger than I am and cruise around a lot, so I have frequently the opportunity to talk with them. Bottom line, in the 50s people still lived on trees and old cars look nice but are technically junk. This is one of the reason it is so much fun to run circles around their oh so superior smart ass car with basically untouched 65 year old technology.


So someone getting an extreme amount of business promotion and likely a free engine from Mopar is ego driven, but someone who makes the statement above is not??

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Posted 2019-05-30 2:36 PM (#582708 - in reply to #582699)
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Cmangeot - 2019-05-30 11:51 AM

So someone getting an extreme amount of business promotion and likely a free engine from Mopar is ego driven, but someone who makes the statement above is not??

:wince:


Please elaborate. This is just my opinion and experience. So everyone who posts his opinion, including you, is "ego driven"? Even if that is the case, I'm not destroying American muscle car history by turning rare FL Mopars into Fiats. I do not cut an old car up to install a 1000 HP engine that is completely useless in this application just to get fame and publicity. Got it?

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Posted 2019-05-30 4:01 PM (#582715 - in reply to #582560)
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Have any of you read their facebook page comments on this build?

A lot of people are also asking why

https://www.facebook.com/pg/graveyardcarz/posts/?ref=page_internal

I do think that if that engine went into a 70s something car, it would have less "wow" factor

The choice of a finned mopar is going to stand out, which considering its being unveiled at a show like Sema, stand out is what you need

Personally, I class the finned era really from 57 to 60, so it really was a flash in the pan as far as car styling goes and that means his choices were limited if
what he wanted was a finned mopar, also as far as recognisability (is that a word) the 57/58 plymouth walks all over the rest of them (at least on a world scale)



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Posted 2019-05-30 7:10 PM (#582721 - in reply to #582715)
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Personally, I think Mark Worman is the south end of a northbound horse. When he was just starting out, he was just as impressed with himself as he is at present, but at least he was approachable back then. I once e-mailed him to let him know that there was MoPar muscle going back at least to the early Letter Cars, to say nothing of the exploits of Al Eckstrand and the Ramchargers in the early '60s, and that perhaps he could devote some attention to those cars as well. His reply was a rather condescending "I found my niche and you found yours, so each should stick with their own." Of course, his niche has access to a plethora of survivor cars to say nothing of cornucopia of reproduction and NOS parts which makes his 1000 HP Christine effort relative child's play to what some guys in the HFK have done with their cars. I doubt if he would reply, but I am tempted to ask him why he has broadened his niche. His attitude makes me wish I could buy him for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.
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Posted 2019-06-01 7:32 AM (#582786 - in reply to #582721)
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Sonoramic60 - 2019-05-30 7:10 PM

His attitude makes me wish I could buy him for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.



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I watched an episode the other day and he was standing over his painter

If he did the same to me, I wouldnt have been his painter any more

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Posted 2019-06-03 6:04 AM (#582861 - in reply to #582560)
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Posted 2019-06-03 6:39 AM (#582862 - in reply to #582560)
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Posted 2019-06-03 8:17 AM (#582864 - in reply to #582560)
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Posted 2019-06-03 8:43 AM (#582865 - in reply to #582560)
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...Several times, starting in the 80s. Nothing new, nothing inovative and another Fiat, at the expense of a real Detroit early muscle car, is nothing that the world needs.
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Posted 2019-06-03 4:03 PM (#582879 - in reply to #582560)
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being kind of a car nut , i've tried watching worman and i just cant do it . his know it all every thing relative attitude just don't do it for me . might be a perfect guy for
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