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johnfin
Posted 2019-08-25 12:14 PM (#586544)
Subject: 1961 B engine


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I would like to see if my car is numbers matching. Did they serial number big blocks in 1961?
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60 dart
Posted 2019-08-25 4:11 PM (#586550 - in reply to #586544)
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the number on the block , stamped just ahead of the right side head should show R - 36 followed by the month and day -------------------------------------------------later
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ABloch
Posted 2019-08-25 8:15 PM (#586557 - in reply to #586544)
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Never can tell sometimes. Could be a "38" or a "41" depending on the model....
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2019-08-25 9:52 PM (#586559 - in reply to #586557)
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That still isn't "numbers matching" in the sense that most people use the term.
The straight answer is the factory did not stamp the VIN number on the engine.
Best you can line up is a proper year code and displacement number. From there,
you could try and get a close casting date to what would have been normal for the
build date of the car, but that is about it.

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arizona mopar gold
Posted 2019-08-26 3:06 AM (#586563 - in reply to #586544)
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Get your IBM card...the engine numbers are written on it
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imopar380
Posted 2019-08-27 4:06 PM (#586656 - in reply to #586563)
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arizona mopar gold - 2019-08-26 12:06 AM

Get your IBM card...the engine numbers are written on it


No engine # on my IBM build sheet, 1960 Chrysler
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imopar380
Posted 2019-08-27 4:09 PM (#586657 - in reply to #586563)
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arizona mopar gold - 2019-08-26 12:06 AM

Get your IBM card...the engine numbers are written on it


No engine # on my IBM build sheet, 1960 Chrysler
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57chizler
Posted 2019-08-28 1:34 PM (#586707 - in reply to #586544)
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B engines usually didn't get a dedicated serial number, if they did it would be stamped on the bottom of the pan rail near the starter. No way to tie that number to a particular car.
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1960fury
Posted 2019-08-28 2:36 PM (#586709 - in reply to #586544)
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johnfin - 2019-08-25 12:14 PM

I would like to see if my car is numbers matching. Did they serial number big blocks in 1961?


If yours read R 36 and the build date (the other numbers on the machined pad under the distributor) is 3-6 weeks older than your cars build date, it is likely the original engine.
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johnfin
Posted 2019-08-31 9:09 PM (#586861 - in reply to #586544)
Subject: RE: 1961 B engine


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So the 61 engine has a casting number of 1852029 which the books says its a 62 BUT the date on the engine is early 61 and I believe its original, car was my aunts. I have a 60 413 out of the same model car and the casting number is 2120529 which the books say its a 413 from 59-64, so why a different 413 for one year in the same car. The thing that puzzles me is the 61 413 was on an engine stand, took it off to put the 60 413 on it and the lower bolts were off a tad.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-08-31 11:45 PM (#586866 - in reply to #586657)
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Here is a 61 300 build sheet. No engine number on it.





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1960fury
Posted 2019-09-01 7:07 AM (#586877 - in reply to #586861)
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johnfin - 2019-08-31 9:09 PM

So the 61 engine has a casting number of 1852029 which the books says its a 62 BUT the date on the engine is early 61 and I believe its original, car was my aunts. I have a 60 413 out of the same model car and the casting number is 2120529 which the books say its a 413 from 59-64, so why a different 413 for one year in the same car. The thing that puzzles me is the 61 413 was on an engine stand, took it off to put the 60 413 on it and the lower bolts were off a tad.



Have you edited the header? I thought this was about a 361, as Chucks answer and mine indicate. Forget the casting #s book. They list 383s as 361s.
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johnfin
Posted 2019-09-01 11:06 AM (#586885 - in reply to #586544)
Subject: RE: 1961 RB engine


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That is a cool build sheet. I know the casting books are junk. I read on a max wedge site that my original 61 engine with that casting number is a truck engine used in 62 max wedge applications. The factory just threw in what they had laying around at the time I guess.
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johnfin
Posted 2019-09-09 8:18 PM (#587313 - in reply to #586544)
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So i broke this thin piece off the bottom of the piston. Not sure whats its for. Can i still use the piston?



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58coupe
Posted 2019-09-10 8:44 AM (#587326 - in reply to #586544)
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You should not reuse that piston as it will affect the engine balance and could also give you a ticking sound in the engine that can sound similar to a loose rod.
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johnfin
Posted 2019-09-12 8:25 PM (#587466 - in reply to #587326)
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That thin piece that broke is the size of a fingernail. On a non performance old mans engine will it throw the balance off?
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49pair
Posted 2019-09-15 8:11 PM (#587564 - in reply to #586544)
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If you are sure it is that small, it might be ok. Can you resize your pic? it is so large, hard to tell what we are looking at.
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Chrycoman
Posted 2019-09-27 4:16 AM (#588011 - in reply to #586544)
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1957-1958 were the last years the engine number was placed on the IBM card or broadcast sheet (depending upon plant and year). Would not be until mid-1968 that Chrysler built a "numbers matching" car when they began stamping VIN and engine numbers on the vehicle. From 1960 through 1968 Chrysler used the Shipping Order Number (SON) preceded by the assembly plant and model year codes stamped on the body for ID. But no engine numbers or VIN.

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