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59 explorer
Posted 2019-10-25 8:35 PM (#589276)
Subject: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help


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I am trying to help translate a 1958 Desoto data plate

0604 car scheduled June 4, 1958
413 Desoto Firesweep 4 door sedan
AAA Black top/body/sweep
999 Special interior

292 ?
305 ?
312 ?
512?
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-10-25 9:02 PM (#589279 - in reply to #589276)
Subject: RE: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help



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Don't think this will help but it might (Sorry it is all the Desoto info that I have):

1960 Adventurer Broadcast Sheet:

Edited by 56D500boy 2019-10-25 9:04 PM




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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-10-25 9:36 PM (#589285 - in reply to #589276)
Subject: RE: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help


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59 explorer - 2019-10-25 8:35 PM

I am trying to help translate a 1958 Desoto data plate

0604 car scheduled June 4, 1958
413 Desoto Firesweep 4 door sedan
AAA Black top/body/sweep
999 Special interior

292 ?
305 ?
312 ?
512?


Can you show me the actual body plate?
Is this a wagon?

Greg
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frwl
Posted 2019-10-26 5:32 AM (#589296 - in reply to #589276)
Subject: RE: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help


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292 = Powerflite 2speed Automatic Transmission
305 = Power Tail Gate Window (body styles should be 471 = Firesweep Shopper, 6P and 472 = Firesweep Explorer, 9P)
312 = Accessory Group No. 2 that includes:

Glove Box Map Light
Ash Tray Light
Trunk Light
Hand Brake Warning Light
Vanity Mirror
Prismatic Mirror
Outside Mirror Left
License Plate Frame
Heater
Windshield Washer
Variable Speed Windshield Wipers
Special Steering Wheel
Radio less Electro Touch Tuner
Electric Clock

511 = Wheel Covers, 512 = no info. Maybe Deluxe Wheel Covers
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frwl
Posted 2019-10-26 6:00 AM (#589298 - in reply to #589276)
Subject: RE: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help


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To 1960 DeSoto Broadcast Sheet…

Schedule Date 0211 = February 11, 1960
Body Type 722 = Adventurer 2door Hardtop
Trim 806 = Black Cloth and Red Vinyl
Paint WB2 = Shell White Roof Color and Black Body Color

305 = Basic Group No. 1:

Heater
Radio
Power Steering
Power Brakes
Dual Jet Windshield Washer
Parking Brake Light
Electric Clock
3way Prismatic Mirror
Vanity Mirror
License Plate Frame
Left Outside Rear View Mirror

323 = Dual Manual Antennas
377 = Autopilot Cruise Control
441 = Solex Glass – All Window Areas
521 = 2.93 to 1 Rear Axle Ratio
534 = 35 Amperes Generator
554 & 562 = 42 = 8.00 x 14 White Side Wall Rayon Tires
588 = Undercoating and Under Hood Pad
622 = Transportation Carrier
635 = Transportation Route

7203116003: 7 = DeSoto, 2 = Adventurer, 0 = 1960 Model Year, 3 = Jefferson Avenue Assembly Plant, Detroit Michigan





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Fireflite56
Posted 2019-10-29 4:47 PM (#589487 - in reply to #589276)
Subject: RE: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help



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Greg, this is the actual body tag from the original post by Bob for the '58 Firesweep in question.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-10-29 7:05 PM (#589492 - in reply to #589487)
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I wonder if that decode is the same for the Detroit-built 1958 Dodge?

If so,

Powerflite 2 speed automatic

Heater / Defroster

Power brakes

Car service (vehicle prep)

Dealer's own truck for delivery

 

Build on or around June 7, 1958

De Soto, Firesweep, Sedan

Monotone Black

Interior Trim Code 999?  999 is typical code for custom or special order.

 

Warning: this could all be totally wrong!

 

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-10-29 8:47 PM (#589498 - in reply to #589487)
Subject: RE: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help


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Fireflite56 - 2019-10-29 4:47 PM

Greg, this is the actual body tag from the original post by Bob for the '58 Firesweep in question.


Mike is correct. It is coded as a sold car and the BDY code is Firesweep 4 Dr. Sedan. Is it a 6 Cyl car?

The 3 in 413 would be 6Cyl if it was a Dodge.

Greg
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Posted 2019-10-29 8:48 PM (#589499 - in reply to #589492)
Subject: RE: 1958 Firesweep Data Plate Help


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Lancer Mike - 2019-10-29 7:05 PM

I wonder if that decode is the same for the Detroit-built 1958 Dodge?

If so,

Powerflite 2 speed automatic

Heater / Defroster

Power brakes

Car service (vehicle prep)

Dealer's own truck for delivery

 

Build on or around June 7, 1958

De Soto, Firesweep, Sedan

Monotone Black

Interior Trim Code 999?  999 is typical code for custom or special order.

 

Warning: this could all be totally wrong!

 



Not wrong at all! Well done.

Greg
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59 explorer
Posted 2019-10-30 11:34 AM (#589524 - in reply to #589276)
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What does 607 signify?
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-10-30 11:58 AM (#589525 - in reply to #589524)
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59 explorer - 2019-10-30 11:34 AM

What does 607 signify?


607 is meaningless. It is not a code. That is why I needed to see the actual body plate. The 7 in that position is what is significant, stands for code 637 which is "route" which in this case means delivered by the dealers truck.

Is the car 6 or 8 cylinder?

Greg
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-10-31 10:49 PM (#589572 - in reply to #589525)
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Thanks Greg.  It was a lucky guess.  I knew that the 1958 De Soto Firesweeps rolled off the same assembly line as the 1958 Dodge.

The plate looks so similar, I thought it may have the same codes.

 

I don't think De Soto offered a six cylinder car in 1958 as Dodge did?

I thought the base engine for Firesweeps was a 350?

 

However, I know De Soto built fleet vehicles...perhaps they could be had with the six?



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-11-01 12:45 AM (#589576 - in reply to #589572)
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Lancer Mike - 2019-10-31 10:49 PM

Thanks Greg.  It was a lucky guess.  I knew that the 1958 De Soto Firesweeps rolled off the same assembly line as the 1958 Dodge.

The plate looks so similar, I thought it may have the same codes.

 

I don't think De Soto offered a six cylinder car in 1958 as Dodge did?

I thought the base engine for Firesweeps was a 350?

 

However, I know De Soto built fleet vehicles...perhaps they could be had with the six?



Lucky is good but the truth is that you spotted the similarity before I did! Good work, and thanks!!

While I don't pretend to know anything about Desotos, when I was looking for front end pot metal donors for my Regal, I noticed that Firesweep body plates were the same as Dodge. So, I took pics and documented a few of these carss. My findings seemed to agree with Neil's so no further action was taken. A few years ago I put out several requests for Firesweep owners to submit their body plate images. NO INPUT AT ALL.

Greg



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Chrycoman
Posted 2019-11-01 6:16 AM (#589579 - in reply to #589276)
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DeSoto did offer a six cylinder model Firesweep in 1957 and 1958 - mainly for taxis. The 1957 Firesweep Six went into production in January, 1957, which is why the engine number prefix was changed. The 1957 Dodge Coronet 230.-6 cid six cylinder engine serial numbers had prefix D72 and in January it was changed to KDS : K - 1957 / D - Dodge / S - DeSoto. Total production of DeSoto S27 Firesweep Six 4 door sedans came to 139 units. No idea how many were built for 1958, but I suspect it was a little lower than 139.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-11-01 10:22 PM (#589601 - in reply to #589579)
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If this car has the Getaway Six (at least that's what Dodge called it), that may go a long way to explaining the 999 trim code.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-11-01 11:44 PM (#589602 - in reply to #589601)
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We have tried to answer their questions so why won't Bob and David simply tell us what engine is in the car!!

Greg
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59 explorer
Posted 2019-11-02 4:35 PM (#589624 - in reply to #589276)
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The data plate is from the black 58 ambulance seen recently on the interne

The owner has confirmed the car has the 350 V-8 and is checking the other code items like Powerflite etc
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Posted 2019-11-02 4:35 PM (#589625 - in reply to #589276)
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The data plate is from the black 58 ambulance seen recently on the interne

The owner has confirmed the car has the 350 V-8 and is checking the other code items like Powerflite etc
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-11-02 4:44 PM (#589627 - in reply to #589625)
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59 explorer - 2019-11-02 4:35 PM

The data plate is from the black 58 ambulance seen recently on the interne

The owner has confirmed the car has the 350 V-8 and is checking the other code items like Powerflite etc


Interesting!

Thank,you.
Greg
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-11-02 8:56 PM (#589638 - in reply to #589627)
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Interesting!  I guess the Memphibian group made that out of a sedan.

That data tag makes sense.





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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-11-02 11:24 PM (#589645 - in reply to #589638)
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Lancer Mike - 2019-11-02 8:56 PM

Interesting!  I guess the Memphibian group made that out of a sedan.

That data tag makes sense.



Mike. Thanks for the photo!

Thanks for starting this thread, Bob. Fun project!!
It was coded as a sold car so I wonder who actually ordered it. The conversion company? If so, easy to understand the 999, special order interior. Seems odd to me they would order a sedan rather than a wagon.

The owner should get the punch card.

Greg
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