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Posted 2019-12-18 9:14 AM (#591773)
Subject: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500


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1956 Dodge Coronet Lance D500 for sale
$56K OBO

https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1304294/1956-dodge-coronet-for...




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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2019-12-18 9:24 AM (#591774 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: RE: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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Wow! What a beauty! I like that color scheme and those blackwalls and dog-dishes are fantastic!!
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-18 11:12 AM (#591777 - in reply to #591774)
Subject: RE: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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Very nice car but the owner is perpetuating the usual mis-information:

"We know that at least 500 D-500s were produced as homologation cars for NASCAR". - That is not true on many levels. I have engine numbers up to 81nn (so 71nn) D-500s at least and I don't think homogulation ever even came into the discussion back then.

"In 1956, randomly selected D-500s set or broke 306 standing speed records. These records were at Bonneville and tracks such as ovals or drag strips." - The Bonneville records were done in Sept. 1955 using a Custom Royal Sedan with a 315 poly (the D-500 wasn't even announced until Dec. 22, 1955). The D500-1 (with the 2 x 4 bbls and other goodies) did do well at the drag strips so that much is true.

Air Cleaners are not 1956 D500-1 (which presented as a huge single round paper filter in a red can). These are more 57 D500 dual quad.

Carburetor 2590S is wrong. That a single quad from a 57 New Yorker or Imperial. Not 57 D500 dual quad carb either (I don't think)

All that said, I wouldn't "kick it out of bed for eating crackers".





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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-18 1:36 PM (#591783 - in reply to #591777)
Subject: RE: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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Furthermore, something is fishy about this car.

The 1956 Dodges built in Detroit started with VIN 34972001. This car shows a VIN of 35047838 which would seem pretty early in the model run. Bruce Faulkner has 35045683 in his data base as built on Dec. 12, 1955. I have 35052811 with a Dec 16, 1955 build date in my D500 data base. As a result, the green on green 35047838 Coronet should have been built sometime between Dec. 12 and Dec. 16, 1955. The "funny" thing is 35052811 (the Dec. 16th car) had D500-1003, i.e. the third D500 engine ever built, yet this green on green Coronet VIN 35047838 supposedly has D500-1735 (or 1765 (can't tell for sure)). Bruce Faulkner has D500-1732 in his data base as being in a car built on Feb. 1st, 1956. Something is starting to smell.

The Green on Green Coronet, if it was an early build and not a later build like my May build D500, should have had the heavy duty six-leaf taxi cab rear springs. I only count 4 leafs in the photo (?? - Even mines got 5 leafs for heavens sake)



And now we turn back to the engine. The stamping on the Green on Green 35047838's "D500" engine is unlike anything that I have seen before. All the ones that I have images of (some of those shown below) are stamped D500-nnnn, no dash between the D and the 500 like this one. Furthermore, the stamps used seem to be different than most of those that I have seen. That said, the D500-1003 stamps are similar. Still that D-500 instead of D500 seems off-putting (to me).

Which leads me to conclude this green on green Coronet is an imposter of some type. Buyer beware.



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CaprockClassics
Posted 2019-12-18 9:43 PM (#591793 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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You're right, the typeface is different on this green car compared to the others you show, it's possible the factory had to switch out their stamp for some reason, but that D looks practically carved into the block, your points on Engine #s vs Serial #s also correspond with my research. Very odd.

For posterity, this car sold at BJ 2011 for $41,800: https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1956-DODGE-CORO...
BJ 2018 for $31,900: https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1956-DODGE-CORO...

And is now for sale online for $56,000

Asking price is certainly not reflective of the market value or of it's own previous sales...

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ABloch
Posted 2019-12-18 9:50 PM (#591794 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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What I noticed, aside from what has been pointed out, was the short oil filler tube. Also no heat. For $56,000 you'd think they could get the heater to work. sheesh.

That D looks like a zero punched at an angle.

As Peter says, price does not reflect market demand.

This one was brushed off the block last time it went across.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0519-371664/1956-dodge-coronet-d500/

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-18 11:13 PM (#591795 - in reply to #591794)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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ABloch - 2019-12-18 6:50 PM
What I noticed, aside from what has been pointed out, was the short oil filler tube. Also no heat. For $56,000 you'd think they could get the heater to work. sheesh.


Heaters and Defrosters were separate options. This one should have at least the heater because the fan is there (but it looks like the heater core and the hoses and such are missing).

The current owner must be in Colorado or Washington state where wacky tobacky is legal cuz he definitely must be smoking something to figure US$56K is going to sell.

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ABloch
Posted 2019-12-19 1:01 AM (#591799 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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"(but it looks like the heater core and the hoses and such are missing)" my point exactly.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-19 1:15 PM (#591810 - in reply to #591793)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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CaprockClassics - 2019-12-18 6:43 PM
You're right, the typeface is different on this green car compared to the others you show, it's possible the factory had to switch out their stamp for some reason, but that D looks practically carved into the block, your points on Engine #s vs Serial #s also correspond with my research. Very odd.


I could possibly "buy" the change in the stamping tools and the - between the D and the 500 but there is no way to argue around the Dec. 55 VIN and the February 56 Engine number. This is some kind of clone, not a real D500 car, at least based on the evidence that has been presented.

ABloch - 2019-12-18 6:50 PM
That D looks like a zero punched at an angle.


To me it looks like a "D" that was faked using a "0" punched on an angle to create the curved belly of the D and then a second tool of some kind to create the vertical bar of the D. It wasn't just one "D" tool. Again, fishy.





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CaprockClassics
Posted 2019-12-19 2:13 PM (#591811 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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Yeah, wouldn't take much to tig weld the old number full and then machine it back smooth. Super sketchy though, not sure I know of anybody who would even think to fake engine numbers when a check with the punch card tells all.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-19 3:09 PM (#591812 - in reply to #591811)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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CaprockClassics - 2019-12-19 11:13 AM
Yeah, wouldn't take much to tig weld the old number full and then machine it back smooth. Super sketchy though, not sure I know of anybody who would even think to fake engine numbers when a check with the punch card tells all.


Or come in contact with some idiot (or idiots) who have/has been keeping track of engine numbers and VINs and who can spot something fishy fairly easily.

As it is, I think that I can see file or grinder marks above the "500" on the block. More fishiness.

If any of the owners got a copy of the IBM card, I would suspect that the engine was NOT stamped D500. (But then again that could be faked too).

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RUSTORICHES
Posted 2019-12-20 2:19 PM (#591835 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500


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Just buy the car it looks really neat and then negotiate with me for my real D-500 engine completely original...... That was easy!!!
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-20 3:57 PM (#591841 - in reply to #591835)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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RUSTORICHES - 2019-12-20 11:19 AM

Just buy the car it looks really neat and then negotiate with me for my real D-500 engine completely original...... That was easy!!!


As long as FCA will still provide IBM cards based on the VIN and proof of ownership, it will NOT be possible to randomly "clone" a D500 of any year, based on stuffing a D500 engine into a non-D500 chassis.

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RUSTORICHES
Posted 2019-12-20 4:11 PM (#591845 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500


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"Clowning not Permitted".... GM lovers would not survive. Obviously the seller knows very little or is trolling for an unsuspected buyer. It's been said before .....money makes strange bedfellows and this listing definitely has some untold stories beneath the sheets
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-20 4:42 PM (#591847 - in reply to #591845)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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Glen: If I had to guess, I would think that the current owner/seller wasn't the person who futzed with this car, trying to make it a D500. I think that he/she might have gotten suckered by the previous owner/seller up the line.

I also suspect (but can not prove) that the engine might be either a 270 or a 325 hemi, only seeing the casting number would start to answer those questions.

*FURTHERMORE*, from what I can see, I don't think that the 2 x 4bbl manifold on the car is the proper 1733 878 intake. (But I can't see enough to confirm/deny that thought):(

You have more experience with those manifolds than I do, so what do you think?



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RUSTORICHES
Posted 2019-12-21 9:03 AM (#591866 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500


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The intake is an Offey the seller does mention it in the ad I'll attach a photo here when I find one



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-21 12:23 PM (#591873 - in reply to #591866)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500



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RUSTORICHES - 2019-12-21 6:03 AM
The intake is an Offey the seller does mention it in the ad I'll attach a photo here when I find one


Okay. At least he is honest about that (I guess I missed the "confession" on my first read through the text (most of which was BS))

"The car is equipped as follows: 315CI "Super Powered Super Red Ram" Hemi, Engine stamp # 1765, Push button Power Flite transmission, dual Carter 4bbl with progressive linkage, Offenhauser intake manifold, dual Red Ram air cleaners, radio delete."

As opposed to the real OE D500-1 manifold:

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RUSTORICHES
Posted 2020-01-06 11:41 PM (#592570 - in reply to #591773)
Subject: Re: 1956 Dodge Coronet Lancer D500


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It made Pick Of The Day today

https://journal.classiccars.com/2020/01/06/56-dodge-d-500-is-street-...
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