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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-12-27 11:10 PM (#592117)
Subject: 1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon



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Bought this on the 23rd, came home today. Really excited about this car, but one of the other Plymouths will have to go. Currently in storage at my dad's shop, more to come!



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Posted 2019-12-28 4:02 PM (#592140 - in reply to #592117)
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Cool

I would love one myself

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oldwood
Posted 2019-12-29 12:07 PM (#592179 - in reply to #592140)
Subject: Re: 1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon


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Jon has gone off the DEEP end. Now your gonna have to fill it with more Chill-rens
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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2019-12-29 1:53 PM (#592191 - in reply to #592117)
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Cool! Merry Christmas to you! What engine does she have? Is that little scoop an indication of something big? What are your plans
for her?

I've always loved the 61 Plymouths the most, but I've really grown fond of my '60 Plymouth wagon, something about those fins!
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oldwood
Posted 2019-12-29 7:32 PM (#592217 - in reply to #592191)
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I here its going to get a LS swap.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-12-31 12:45 AM (#592272 - in reply to #592117)
Subject: Re: 1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon



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No engine in the car, someone made a very poor attempt to install a smog era short deck Oldsmobile 350 in it. Motor came out as part of the price negotiation. Hood scoop is from a late 1950s to early 1960s Ford Super Duty truck (F-700 or larger) as identified correctly by my dad.

Looking to install a 1973 440 in this car, gathering parts. Looking for a driver side exhaust manifold from a 413. I have the passenger side manifold and 413 engine mounts.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-01 9:20 PM (#592364 - in reply to #592272)
Subject: Re: 1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon



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Here are some more parts showing the car's general condition, which I think is pretty good. Can anyone help with the data tag?



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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-01 9:26 PM (#592366 - in reply to #592364)
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Based on the oil change labels in the driver door jamb and the mileage on the odometer, the car was parked around 1976.



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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-01 9:30 PM (#592367 - in reply to #592366)
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Here is what happened under the hood. Pretty much everything is still there other than some additional brackets being welded to the original motor mount pads and the center link being cut up.



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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-01 9:34 PM (#592368 - in reply to #592367)
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Here are a couple more shots of the interior. Going to let it air out and do some serious cleaning.



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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2020-01-02 5:40 PM (#592396 - in reply to #592117)
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Nice! She does appear to be in good shape. That headliner looks perfect! The bumpers look nice and straight, even has both rubber
steps on the rear bumper, and the chrome/plastic speedometer frame looks intact. Very nice.

I'm a little surprised to not see the 'grab' handles on the sides of the rear window, I would have thought those to be standard with the
9-passenger. Regardless, she's a great start.
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Posted 2020-01-02 6:47 PM (#592397 - in reply to #592396)
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SavoyPlaza - 2020-01-02 2:40 PMI'm a little surprised to not see the 'grab' handles on the sides of the rear window, I would have thought those to be standard with the
9-passenger. Regardless, she's a great start.


At least the foot pads are there on the bumper:



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Ev's62Chrysler
Posted 2020-01-02 10:57 PM (#592400 - in reply to #592396)
Subject: RE: 1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon



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SavoyPlaza - 2020-01-02 5:40 PM

Nice! She does appear to be in good shape. That headliner looks perfect! The bumpers look nice and straight, even has both rubber
steps on the rear bumper, and the chrome/plastic speedometer frame looks intact. Very nice.

I'm a little surprised to not see the 'grab' handles on the sides of the rear window, I would have thought those to be standard with the
9-passenger. Regardless, she's a great start.
Pete


"Assist Handles" were optional on my 62 9 passenger. Likely the same for the 61 Plymouth.
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oldwood
Posted 2020-01-02 11:09 PM (#592401 - in reply to #592400)
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I have some arm rests
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Posted 2020-01-02 11:32 PM (#592404 - in reply to #592364)
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jboymechanic - 2020-01-01 9:20 Pms Can anyone help with the data tag?


Jon,

Here’s some info on the fender tag codes

367
3= Plymouth with V-8
6= Belvedere station wagon
7= St Louis MO assembly plant

It looks as though the trim and paint codes might be reversed (stamped in wrong location). The reason for this statement is that Paint codes are usually “letters” and Trim “numbers”

This would actually make sense as the codes translate as follows if switched:

TRM 341 = blue interior
PNT code WDW =
W = oyster white roof
D = twilight blue metallic - body
W = oyster white - not certain but believe this is referring to white coves on front fenders

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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-02 11:43 PM (#592405 - in reply to #592117)
Subject: Re: 1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon



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Thank you for the data plate info, any way to tell if this was a Poly or a big block?
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Posted 2020-01-02 11:46 PM (#592407 - in reply to #592404)
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The wagon seems really solid and has some nice options on a 9 passenger

One other note the radio knobs look to be from a 1961 Dodge / 1960-61 Desoto model
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Posted 2020-01-03 7:24 AM (#592416 - in reply to #592117)
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9 passenger Custom Suburban, ultra rare back in the day and probably only a few left. Congratulations! I'm glad it got in good hands.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-03 9:35 AM (#592419 - in reply to #592117)
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My dad says he "thinks" he remembers seeing this car at the drag strip in the 1960s. Car appears like it might have been at the strip at one point given the gauges and the overall look. The front tires are taller than the rear, perhaps a poor mans gasser setup?

How many leaf springs would this car have from the factory? This car has 9 leaves on the passenger side and 8 on the driver. I don't know the rear axle gear ratio yet or if it's a Sure Grip, but I hope to find out this weekend. The rear axle is also crooked in the car, on one side the alignment pin through the spring stack into the spring perch on the axle sheared off and the u-bolts are on an angle. Again, perhaps more evidence that someone was dragging this car?
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Posted 2020-01-03 12:02 PM (#592423 - in reply to #592117)
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Contact Chrysler for a copy of the build card for your car and maybe the selling dealer.

Danielle.szostak@fcagroup.com

Request build card with serial number (VIN) and provide proof of ownership.

Who knows how much longer this service will be available.

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oldwood
Posted 2020-01-05 12:12 PM (#592494 - in reply to #592117)
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I guess I need to get my '61 Wagon ready. Mine is going to feature the optional 413 and Aluminum TF from a '62 Imperial. Here are a couple things you need to find for your wagon. lol


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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-06 1:14 AM (#592512 - in reply to #592494)
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Put the car up on dollies today so my dad can move it around if he needs to. Checked the rear gears, with one wheel off the ground I rolled one wheel 2 full revolutions to get about 3.5 revolutions of the differential pinion, so 3.54 open gears.

Below are pictures of the floors, they are much better than they look in the pictures. They look bad, but are all very solid other than the braces welded to the underside of the floor. I will eventually clean, replace the braces, can then paint the underside with rust bullet or POR-15. The third row seat foot well will need work as well.



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Posted 2020-01-06 6:56 PM (#592556 - in reply to #592117)
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Great find! 1960 is my favorite year for forwardlook wagons. I really don't recommend running a 440 though, it will eat up so much fuel that you will rarely ever want to drive it. I am amazed at how much more fuel my 1960 413 eats compared to my '58 361 motor. A 361 would be a more practical choice. My 318 Satellite wagon has plenty of power with dual exhaust and 4bbl so a well built 361 should be more than enough. It's not like you are going to drag race it, right? But either way, it'll be great to have another '60 wagon on the road again.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-06 10:27 PM (#592567 - in reply to #592556)
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A 440 wasn't my first choice, but it is freshly built and free to me. As of now, my dad and I are planning on stick shift so I will definitely have overdrive. If I don't like it, long term I would probably find another 318 Poly as I do like those motors.

Another find in the wagon, my dad has been cleaning it out and he found these floor mats all folded up. Are these original?



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Posted 2020-01-06 10:52 PM (#592568 - in reply to #592117)
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Those look like '60 Dodge symbols. They may be original to a '60 Dodge.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-09 3:42 PM (#592689 - in reply to #592117)
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So for the sake of time and money and getting this car back on the road as soon as possible, I will most likely use the TorqueFlite that was originally behind the 440. The Imperial Services cable doesn't allow you to use park in the trans and I wouldn't have a parking brake on the trans or rear axle, so I will be abandoning the original push buttons. Is there an add-on shifter, other than the on top of the transmission floor shifter, that I can use to get the full range out of the trans? I'd really like to avoid cutting a hole in my floor if possible.

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Posted 2020-01-09 4:02 PM (#592692 - in reply to #592117)
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You can do what I did and just attach a push-pull cable to the shifter arm and run it up alongside your steering column, and mount it to the dash. Then push it in to get the different positions and pull it all the way out to go into park. You can feel the different positions as the cable moves so you don't really need an indicator for it.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-09 10:54 PM (#592712 - in reply to #592692)
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I'd rather have a shifter, just in case someone else who isn't as mechanically savvy should drive it. But this got me thinking about the conversion shift cable to use your original buttons with a 1966 and newer TF trans (like in the link below).

http://www.aandatrans.com/Products/Push-Button-Conversion-Cable-Set...

The original push button TF trans has 5 detent positions: R N D 2 1
The 1966 and newer TF trans have 6 detent positions: P R N D 2 1

With the adapter cable kit, you lose one position; Park

Would it be possible to hook up the adapter cable and lose 1 instead of P? So your buttons would be as follow:
R becomes P
N becomes R
N becomes D
D becomes 2
and then 1 isn't usable?

The buttons would have to be re-labeled, would this otherwise work? Or is there a detail I'm missing?
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-09 10:59 PM (#592713 - in reply to #592117)
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One more question about wagons. Would there be anything unique about the rear axle assembly in this wagon compared to my 1960 Plymouth Sedan? Same axle width? Same spring perch width? Are the brakes wider or larger diameter? I have an entire rear axle assembly from my 1960 Plymouth sedan with 3.31 gears and it is much cleaner than the axle in the car.
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Posted 2020-01-09 11:13 PM (#592714 - in reply to #592117)
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No, because I believe Park is farther away than just one push-button movement. It is like 1.5 or 2, so that if you did it, you would lose 2 positions, and the other positions might not be fully engaged, because it may not fall directly on top of the correct position.

Your axle should be the same width with the same spring perch location. The brakes are probably larger on the wagon though, and the springs should be stiffer. Typically, 9 passenger wagons received the good rear springs. 6 passenger wagons had rear springs that were too soft and should be replaced.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-09 11:21 PM (#592716 - in reply to #592117)
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I see what you mean on the Park detent on the valve control arm.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Torqueflite-727-904-1964-PUSHBUTTON-Control...

Thanks for confirmation on the rear axle.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-24 12:54 PM (#593377 - in reply to #592117)
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My dad has been working away on this car in his garage. He's polishing all the chrome and he mounted up my front bumper bar, I need to get over there and get some update pictures. Cleaning up under the hood and around the sub-frame as well. We're going to pull the seats and carpet to assess, patch (if needed) and coat the floors. Then we'll do brakes and figure out exactly why the rear axle is crooked. Roger at AAJ is working on my front disc kit.
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