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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-30 11:29 AM (#592235)
Subject: Red '58 Fireflite 2dr Coupe



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I purchased this car from Gary Grossich to use the parts on my Turquoise car. Unfortunately, it doesn't have any of the front fender trim that I need, but all of the other trim will come in handy. I thought I would post pictures of it here to document some of the interior and other things on the car because it looks to be in all original condition. If I have enough time, can find all the needed sheetmetal, and am crazy enough, I may eventually fix the body & frame on this car to make it work again, but that is too distant to even think about at the moment. Still, I hate to see a '58 Fireflite coupe bite the dust completely so we'll see what happens. I think I have a lot of the needed sheet metal for the left rear side, but lifting the body to be able to weld it into its proper place is non-trivial because there is no solid point to lift from and no frame there to support it.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-30 11:40 AM (#592237 - in reply to #592235)
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It looks like the motor caught fire at one point, looking at the condition of the plastic parts in the engine bay. The left rear frame and body are completely missing from sitting in a pond or lake on that corner. What's left of the rear half of the leaf spring is sitting on the rear seat.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-30 11:44 AM (#592238 - in reply to #592235)
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Notice that the horizontal pleats in the interior are created by heat seaming, and not by stitching as was common on the '57 Fireflites.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-30 11:50 AM (#592239 - in reply to #592235)
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The VIN No. on it is LS3-**2073 and it does still have the body tag, but there isn't much on it. I can see a lone 2 placed in the options section. But it is hard to read.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-30 11:53 AM (#592240 - in reply to #592235)
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The right side of the car is in much better shape than the left and is keeping the structure intact. The rear window looks much better now with all the lichen cleaned off of it.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-30 12:14 PM (#592241 - in reply to #592235)
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I picked up a really rusty pair of front bumper guards that I decided to put onto the car. They were rusted through in a dozen places and had many deep rust pits on the inside of them. So I welded them up from the inside and cleaned up the weld through on the outsides. Afterward I sprayed them with clear to make them look OK. The copper plating process should be able to fill in any of the small imperfections in them, but one of them has a very small dent that needs to be corrected before doing that. It took me most of a day to complete, but I am happy with them, and now they can be removed from my garage.



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Posted 2019-12-30 12:56 PM (#592242 - in reply to #592241)
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The good news is, that trunk floor is much better than typical !
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Posted 2019-12-30 1:32 PM (#592244 - in reply to #592242)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2019-12-30 9:56 AM
The good news is, that trunk floor is much better than typical !



Yikes!!

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Posted 2019-12-30 2:02 PM (#592247 - in reply to #592244)
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So Paint = XPX = pearl white roof, holly red lower , pearl white sweep. Trim = 646







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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-30 2:22 PM (#592248 - in reply to #592242)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2019-12-30 9:56 AM

The good news is, that trunk floor is much better than typical !


Definitely saves work in removing the old one!
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Posted 2019-12-30 6:36 PM (#592258 - in reply to #592235)
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and the trunk mat can be used as a template
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Posted 2019-12-30 7:11 PM (#592259 - in reply to #592235)
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the trunk mat is the trunk... wow... if you could find a nice 4 door trunk floor, it could be saved but that thing is a ton of work
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Posted 2019-12-31 1:44 AM (#592276 - in reply to #592235)
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You can't restore that car! It's red and white and everyone knows that there were no original red and white '57-'59 Mopars!
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Posted 2019-12-31 10:13 AM (#592300 - in reply to #592235)
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Especially in '58!

The car looks better with the guards on it. The lack of chrome fits well with the dirty bumper.

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Posted 2020-01-01 1:45 AM (#592335 - in reply to #592235)
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Congratulation to your new De Soto. I wish good luck!

From what I see on the pictures of the trunk it looks like somebody cut the drivers side rear frame part.

Happy New Year!

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2020-01-01 4:46 PM (#592353 - in reply to #592335)
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Methinks the Oregon Bogmonster ate it ! The Bogmonster had a voracious
appetite for old cars all over the wet side of the west coast states. Cars with
large chunks bitten out of them like this were a common sight in the 70's.

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Posted 2020-01-01 4:47 PM (#592354 - in reply to #592235)
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The frame wasn't cut, it rusted away into dust, and took most of the rear part of the leaf spring with it.

I fixed '58 DeSoto bumper guard #3 today. This one is to replace the EXTREMELY rusty bumper guard that came with my Spanish Gold Firedome coupe, shown on the left. I think fixing the original one is beyond my abilities. Anyone care to give it a go? This replacement #3 wasn't as bad as the first two that I fixed. It only had 4 rust out spots. But the sides were very thin with many deep pits so it needed to be reinforced. This creates some weld through along the sides that I now need to clean up. But it's pretty easy to do and the shape remains unaffected, which is the important part.



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Posted 2020-01-01 5:12 PM (#592358 - in reply to #592235)
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Posted 2020-01-01 9:21 PM (#592365 - in reply to #592354)
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I think you are trying to corner the market on 58 DeSotos. But you do such good work, I'm okay with that.
I wish you stamina and good luck on all of your projects. Happy 2020.
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Posted 2020-01-01 11:00 PM (#592370 - in reply to #592235)
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Thanks Carsten & Kurt! I'm hoping my stamina lasts me at least another 15 or 20 yrs. Maybe enough time to get some of these done. These cars are like toys because I have no plans to work on them yet, so I just play with them as a diversion when I feel like doing something different for a while. The new bumper guard looks a lot better on the gold Firedome than the horribly rusty one did, and the new re-drilled Chrysler hood & trunk lid are big improvements over the original ones. I've come to the conclusion that I won't attempt to fix this one until I have a solid donor 4dr body to repair it with. It's too much work to try to patch it everywhere.



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Posted 2020-01-02 12:58 PM (#592384 - in reply to #592235)
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Nathan, it's good to have some toys you can play with.....congrats.
I am sure I have to visit your place (sooner or later)
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Posted 2020-01-02 2:30 PM (#592393 - in reply to #592235)
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Thanks, Tom. You are welcome to drop by anytime.
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Posted 2020-01-06 10:53 AM (#592528 - in reply to #592370)
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Man... the fire under the hood and the missing rear fifth of the car kind of relegate this one to parts car status. Sure was a beautiful car when new. Oddly, you don't see as many red '58s as you do '57s.
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Posted 2020-01-06 6:27 PM (#592551 - in reply to #592235)
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I had it lined up for another Fireflite i am still onto with a great body . But as i wont be taking on a 58 project now , it was great to be able to put Nathan onto it as he will make good use of whatever he can for his other one . Apparenly the car wasnt to bad before the fire and sat in a creek or ditch that rotted that whole side out after that . I agree Red 58 fireflites are pretty rare , it seems more domes were in Holly red .

Nathan your place looks so col littered with all these fine automobiles . You may have the biggest 58 Desoto collection besides Arne now !


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Posted 2020-01-06 6:27 PM (#592552 - in reply to #592235)
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I had it lined up for another Fireflite i am still onto with a great body . But as i wont be taking on a 58 project now , it was great to be able to put Nathan onto it as he will make good use of whatever he can for his other one . Apparenly the car wasnt to bad before the fire and sat in a creek or ditch that rotted that whole side out after that . I agree Red 58 fireflites are pretty rare , it seems more domes were in Holly red .

Nathan your place looks so cool littered with all these fine automobiles . You may have the biggest 58 Desoto collection besides Arne now !


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Powerflite
Posted 2020-01-06 11:22 PM (#592569 - in reply to #592235)
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Thanks again James! My '58 DeSoto collection doubled in the last month. I hope I can get to them all before I die. But hopefully the turquoise one should be relatively quick. I don't think the engine fire is a big deal. Most of the stuff would end up being replaced anyway, and I'm sure I can salvage the motor once I tear it apart. No chance of getting it running without a tear-down though. I'm not really a fan of red cars, but if I do restore this car, I will keep it red & white as it came from the factory.

I have come up with a plan to possibly fix the trunk of this car. I am thinking that I could weld a couple of cheap slotted "C" channel from the bottom of the right side trunk drop down to multiple flat extensions spot welded on the left side quarter panel. This would put the structure completely below the frame. If I did this in a couple places on the quarter, keeping the bars at the same height from the fins, it would give it enough strength to lift it; to get a new trunk floor, wheel lip, wheel well, and frame welded in place there. I have good wheel lips & wells from the 57 New Yorker I parted out so it would be nice to use them here. Cut the spot welds of the outer wheel wells and plug weld them in place on this car. I have the frame from that car too, but unfortunately, that's right where the '57 and '58 frames differ, so I can't use it here. I'll have to get another section or whole new frame from a '58 or '59. That's my plan for now, but I'm not sure when it will happen - probably long after I get the turquoise car on the road.

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Posted 2020-01-07 3:40 AM (#592572 - in reply to #592235)
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Good on you Nathan , i know whatever you do it will be the right thing , and i agree i dont like them in red either . Bracing is a must they are very weak i the back so i found out when i did my trunk floor .
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Posted 2020-01-07 6:14 PM (#592614 - in reply to #592235)
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For those interested, the trunk mat in this car appears to be black. I couldn't clean the topside to figure out if it was the same as the bottom or not, it just looked faded and brown.

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Posted 2020-01-08 1:24 PM (#592646 - in reply to #592569)
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Nathan,

Don't remember if we discussed it or not, but I have a 58 New Yorker frame that I had saved in case I wanted to do something with the Fireflite 2 door ht. The frame is in good shape, $300.
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Posted 2020-01-09 4:26 PM (#592695 - in reply to #592614)
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Hi, Nathan!  Way to go on those De Sotos!  Regarding the trunk mats, I think the '57s were supposed to be light gray, the '58s were supposed to be a speckled dark gray, and the '59s were supposed to be black?

There's a thread here somewhere.  In regards to what the factory actually did, I wouldn't be surprised if some black mats made it into '58s and some speckled mats made it into '59s!

What side is that rusted ol' bumper guard for?  I have one and need to get the other.

 

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Posted 2020-01-09 7:41 PM (#592705 - in reply to #592695)
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It's the right side. If you want it, pay shipping and it's yours. But fair warning that it would take a magician to fix it.
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Posted 2020-01-09 11:21 PM (#592715 - in reply to #592705)
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The right side (passenger side) is the one I'm missing.  Let me know what shipping is to 80206.  I'll try to find a wizard.

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Posted 2020-01-09 11:23 PM (#592717 - in reply to #592235)
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OK, I'll send you a PM once I get it quoted.
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Posted 2020-01-10 8:38 AM (#592734 - in reply to #592646)
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netparts - 2020-01-08 6:24 PM

Nathan,

Don't remember if we discussed it or not, but I have a 58 New Yorker frame that I had saved in case I wanted to do something with the Fireflite 2 door ht. The frame is in good shape, $300.


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Posted 2020-01-20 3:58 PM (#593234 - in reply to #592235)
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This car has the exhaust still routed through the bumper ports. You don't get to see original systems like this still in place very often so I took a couple of photos of it. The inside pipe in the ports is blocked off. I wonder if they did this to prevent exhaust flowing back into the trunk area, or if it was just a matter of difficulty in making a Y connection in the small space available.



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Posted 2020-01-21 6:09 AM (#593258 - in reply to #592235)
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Unreal to see the body rotted worse than the exhaust. Maybe this car got driven on a beach?
Neat to see the exhaust, thanks Nathan. I have seen parts etc, but not the routing. Incredible they thought this design was good and it made production. It must have been very high maintenance.
I can only think that it made production because it looked cool. I have seen the exhaust through bumper on Cad's, but the Desoto designers took a leap with the Desoto's quad exhaust outlets!
Steve.

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Powerflite
Posted 2020-01-24 1:31 PM (#593378 - in reply to #592235)
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Yeah, that design is pretty unique. I am going to try and reproduce it on my turquoise Fireflite, but with larger diameter pipes and in stainless.

I picked up the correct air cleaner for this car from Ebay. Now I can at least keep the critters from storing their winter's supply down the carb.



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