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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185    Location: Lower Mainland BC | . For reasons, not 100% clear, I want to annotate the illustration below with the 19 body/model codes that were supposed out there. I have collected a few codes from 57 Dodge Cowl Tags and Build sheets and can find more by searching the archives of this forum. However, it would be way easier if some one can point me to a previously consolidated list of the four digit 57 Dodge body/model codes.  This is what I want to annotate: (57DodgeCompleteLine_Trimmed_Annotated1.jpg) Attachments ----------------  57DodgeCompleteLine_Trimmed_Annotated1.jpg (116KB - 379 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1906   Location: Ontario, Canada | Here is a pretty much complete list. Charts I made in the 1980s. Greg (image.jpg) (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (194KB - 358 downloads) image.jpg (152KB - 350 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | LD3 Greg - 2020-08-07 6:36 PM Here is a pretty much complete list. Charts I made in the 1980s. Greg Thanks Greg. I had seen those before, but after recently going through both the 1955 and 1956 Dodge body codes, I can see much clearer how and why your charts work. I will try confirming some of the cowl data tags that I have for 1957 Dodges against your chart(s) to get an even better feel for it tomorrow. I can see a big table (chart) with 1955, 1956 and 1957 Dodge body codes in my near future (if it is rainy tomorrow here in the Vancouver BC area) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1906 Location: Ontario, Canada | 56D500boy - 2020-08-07 11:33 PM LD3 Greg - 2020-08-07 6:36 PM Here is a pretty much complete list. Charts I made in the 1980s. Greg Thanks Greg. I had seen those before, but after recently going through both the 1955 and 1956 Dodge body codes, I can see much clearer how and why your charts work. I will try confirming some of the cowl data tags that I have for 1957 Dodges against your chart(s) to get an even better feel for it tomorrow. I can see a big table (chart) with 1955, 1956 and 1957 Dodge body codes in my near future (if it is rainy tomorrow here in the Vancouver BC area) Confirm away! Send 'em to me. Been doing this for longer than I can easily remember! This 57 stuff is crazy difficult!! Greg | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Old Ray - 2020-08-08 6:35 AM LD3 Greg - 2020-08-07 10:22 PM This 57 stuff is crazy difficult!! Greg Hi Greg, (and Dave) would you be so kind as to offer your opinion on why this over complication / confusing situation happened in 1957 ? Thanks, Ray. I have the same question(s). One question that I will add right now is "Why would they bother with the "1" Make Code for 118 inch wheel base cars? All the US-built Dodges were 122 inch. Are we talking Plodges built for Canada?" See below: Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-08 11:55 AM (57DodgeModelNumbers.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57DodgeModelNumbers.jpg (108KB - 354 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029  | . I have following information: 1957 DODGE LINEUP CORONET L6 2112 = 2door Sedan 2115 = 4door Sedan CORONET V8 2142 = 2door Sedan 2145 = 4door Sedan 2146 = Lancer 2door Hardtop 2149 = Lancer 4door Hardtop 2143 = Lancer Convertible 2167 = Suburban 2door Station Wagon, 6P 2168 = Sierra 4door Station Wagon, 6P 2368 = Sierra Spectator 4door Station Wagon, 9P ROYAL V8 2175 = 4door Sedan 2176 = Lancer 2door Hardtop 2179 = Lancer 4door Hardtop CUSTOM ROYAL V8 2285 = 4door Sedan 2286 = Lancer 2door Hardtop 2289 = Lancer 4door Hardtop 2283 = Lancer Convertible 2298 = Sierra 4door Station Wagon, 6P 2398 = Sierra Spectator 4door Station Wagon, 9P  | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Maybe it is not important, but DeSoto Firesweep was built in Dodge Main Plant at Hamtramck also and had similar body codes… 1957 DESOTO FIRESWEEP L6 3115 = 4door Sedan Taxicab 1957 DESOTO FIRESWEEP V8 3145 = 4door Sedan 3146 = Sportsman 2door Hardtop 3149 = Sportsman 4door Hardtop 3148 = Shopper 4door Station Wagon, 6P 3348 = Explorer 4door Station Wagon, 9P | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2020-08-08 1:05 PM I have following information: 1957 DODGE LINEUP Igor: Very good. Thanks for that. I checked your list against some of the 57 Dodge build tags and/or IBM cards that I have collected (images) and your list works well. Thanks. The only thing that I am not 100% sure about is the wagons, particularly the Spectator 9 passenger wagons, and the "3" chassis code and the 6 vs 9 passenger capacity. According to your list, the only thing that distinguishes a 6P from a 9P wagon is the chassis code, i.e. "2" = 6P and "3" = 9P. (??) I am also surprised that there isn't a 6 cylinder 2dr Coronet wagon, e.g. a 2117. Some of the tags/IBM cards that I have, that aren't on the list, include: 2543 = Dodge, HD V8 chassis, V8 Coronet, convertible (known D500 with KD500-11819) 2546 = Dodge, HD V8 chassis, V8 Coronet, 2dr Hardtop (Lancer) 2568 = Dodge, HD V8 chassis, Sierra, 6P 4 dr wagon, possibly D500 but the engine was missing in action. 2583 = Dodge, HD Chassis, Custom Royal, Convertible 2586 = Dodge, HD V8 chassis, Custom Royal, 2dr Hardtop (known D500 with KD500-5484) 2589 = Dodge, HD Chassis, Custom Royal, 4 dr Hardtop (Lancer) I might have collected the above based on them being D500 related but I can not confirm the D500 codes on the cowl tags (I know that D500 = 372 and Super D500 = 491 on the broadcast sheet/IBM card but I am not sure what they end up to be on the cowl data tag(s).  Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-08 9:07 PM (57DodgeWagons.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57DodgeWagons.jpg (52KB - 343 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2020-08-08 10:32 PM Dave, I have something that confirms 2586. I also have some other numbers that are not listed here.. 2586 - Custom Royal, Hardtop 2dr, V8, KD500 . 2143 – . 2576 – . 2742 – Coronet, sedan, V8, KD500 Thanks Robert. Got the email. Great stuff. The only one that hurts my head is the 2742. The second digit, i.e. the "7" is supposed to be the chassis code. LD3_Greg's chassis list only goes to 6. No 7. So I am confused. Greg? Both the FCA Historical letter and the IBM card say 2742. Was there a 7th chassis? Is this the "Big Brake" version of the 5 or 6 code chassis? Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-09 2:37 AM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 510 Location: Invermere B.C. Canada - Rocky Mountains | No Dave, I have it on good authority that the "7" were built at Area 51 as a special secret vehicle project for the aliens to drive, this plant was staffed by the engineers from other plants that had overdosed on the LSD in the water coolers to a such a extent that they were not rehabilitate-able and were assigned to this project. (Sorry, I am trying very hard to understand / explain the cuckoo's nest ) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Old Ray - 2020-08-09 7:05 AM No Dave, I have it on good authority that the "7" were built at Area 51 as a special secret vehicle project for the aliens to drive, The 2742 car is a D500 (372 on the IBM card) (Engine KD500-12275) according to the info RDP sent me to clarify 2742. That might well be true but Greg L did hint at a "7" in page 1 of his 57 Dodge info regarding somebody named Ryan's car: Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-09 10:56 AM | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Not withstanding all the "oddballs" with the EDIT: 25 and 27 chassis designations, here is a consolidated 1955, 1956 and 1957 Dodge Model/Body code list. There are some issues that need to be resolved regarding wagons, e.g. the Custom Sierras moved up from Royals to Custom Royals in 1957 and one or two 2 dr wagons might (or might not) have been dropped in 1957. It's "Rev0" so errors can be corrected. I plan to put the "oddballs" on the side with notes. (Mostly D500s) Thanks for the input Igor, Robert and Greg Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-09 8:30 PM (ConsolidationOf55_56_and57DodgeBodyCodeInformation_Rev0.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ConsolidationOf55_56_and57DodgeBodyCodeInformation_Rev0.jpg (84KB - 354 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Hello Greg. Thanks for your response. I think the 3 chassis coded 9 passenger wagons because of the bigger weight coming on the back of the car – that's where the extra three passengers were placed. Therefore, the heavy duty rear torsion bars and springs were installed. But you are talking about Don Parke six passenger wagon… Weird. Maybe this option was standard on the 9 passenger wagons and optional on 6 passenger wagons? Can you post a cowl tag picture of this car? Dave: 1957 Dodge Royal series has not Station Wagons (2168 & 2368) – Coronet and Custom Royal have only… Not sure about Six Cylinder Coronet Suburban 2117 – there are 19 models listed above in your add… Where did you get info about this body style existence 2117? | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2020-08-09 12:23 PM Dave: 1957 Dodge Royal series has not Station Wagons (2168 & 2368) – Coronet and Custom Royal have only… Not sure about Six Cylinder Coronet Suburban 2117 – there are 19 models listed above in your add… Where did you get info about this body style existence 2117? I know that the 57 Dodge Royals didn't have any Station wagons. That is why there is "N/A" ( as in NOT APPLICABLE) in those 57 Royal cells beside the 1956 Royal wagon cells (in 1956 Custom Suburban and Custom Sierras were based on the 56 Royals). t seems like there could have or should have been a 2dr 6 cylinder Coronet-based wagon in 1957 so I made "2117" up (which is why it is highlit in yellow). But I'm probably wrong. Unless somebody can confirm 2117, I will remove that info in the next Revision of the table ("Rev1") | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | LD3 Greg - 2020-08-09 2:35 PM Dave, thanks for the chart. 25 is not HD. It is standard chassis for the particular model and signifies the only optional engines. D500 or Super D. Greg: I have edited my comment regarding 25 and 27 being HD chassis. More to come. While we are talking 25, say I am looking at a 2576 car. I know now that it should probably be a D-500 or Super D-500 car. I know that one the broadcast sheet and/or IBM card, D500 = a 2 punched in the 37th card column as in 372 and Super D-500 = a 1 punched in the 49th column as in 491. I know that 323 = Torqueflite on the 1957 Dodge broadcast sheet translates to 293 on the 57 Dodge cowl tag. BUT I do *NOT* know how the 372 or 491 translates to the 57 Dodge cowl tag to confirm the D500 (or Super D500) engine. Please help me understand. Example (courtesy of RDP (Robert)). In this case 372 = the "2" in the fifth spot from the upper right corner of the IBM card. Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-09 10:07 PM (57Dodge_2576_D500_IBM.jpg) (57Dodge_2576_D500_CowlTag.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57Dodge_2576_D500_IBM.jpg (104KB - 332 downloads) 57Dodge_2576_D500_CowlTag.jpg (132KB - 337 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Didn't want to spoil the body codes listing, but this is a new «oddball»… Drum roll... Body Code 2558… Looks like that is Custom Sierra Station Wagon (according to the trim code 231…) Greg: what do you think? The crossed out MODEL CODE column 5 in your «1957 U. S. – BUILT DODGE – BODY CODES» list is still relevant… (1.jpg) (2.jpg) (3.jpg) (4.jpg) (5.jpg) (6.jpg) (7.jpg) (8.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (22KB - 333 downloads) 2.jpg (32KB - 334 downloads) 3.jpg (24KB - 335 downloads) 4.jpg (22KB - 333 downloads) 5.jpg (29KB - 331 downloads) 6.jpg (24KB - 346 downloads) 7.jpg (37KB - 340 downloads) 8.jpg (152KB - 336 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . 395 on the tag = 395 on the IBM card = Solex Tinted Glass with Shaded Windshield 469 on the tag = 339 on the IBM card = Power Brakes 485 on the tag = 675 on the IBM card = Delivery Route (no idea what) 502 on the tag = 332 on the IBM card = Accessory Group No. 2 – Radio Group 513 on the tag = 333 on the IBM card = Accessory Group No. 3 – Convenience Group 585 on the tag = 335 on the IBM card = Accessory Group No. 5 – Deluxe Appearance Group (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (22KB - 348 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Igor: Can you post an image of the IBM card for that 2558 car to confirm the KD500 engine? Greg: So just so I am clear, the break down for 2558 is: 2 = 122 inch wheel base 57 Dodge 5 = Chassis for D500 and Super D500 (engine bay seems to show a KD500 but only the IBM card can confirm that) 5= D70 Suburban (which somehow is different than the "6" = D70 Suburban and Sierra (??)) 8 = 4 dr "Suburban" (which is generally confusing because in 1955 and 1956 Suburban = 2dr wagon and Sierra = 4 dr wagon) I am a bit surprised that it isn't 2598 because I see grill/bumper teeth which I thought = Custom Sierra. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Dave, Greg: Unfortunately, there is no IBM card for the model 2558 – I would post it right away. I'd like to see it myself. Another car I posted below has IBM card, but has not a cowl tag. This is a 9-seat Custom Sierra Spectator model 2398 (with HD chassis = code 3) to confirm body codes list. Notice the car has trim code 231 as the model 2558 shown above… (1.jpg) (2.jpg) (3.jpg) (4.jpg) (5.jpg) (6.jpg) (7.jpg) (8.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (120KB - 346 downloads) 2.jpg (113KB - 332 downloads) 3.jpg (138KB - 332 downloads) 4.jpg (127KB - 335 downloads) 5.jpg (150KB - 330 downloads) 6.jpg (120KB - 330 downloads) 7.jpg (137KB - 330 downloads) 8.jpg (142KB - 324 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Looks like it has equipped with aftermarket Air Conditioning - no coded in the Broadcast Sheet... | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Greg: I have some delivery codes (so far). Can you confirm, deny or add something to this list (of course if you know)? 481 on the tag = 671 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – By Boat (need to confirm) 482 on the tag = 672 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – ? 483 on the tag = 673 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – ? 484 on the tag = 674 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – ? 485 on the tag = 675 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – By Truck 486 on the tag = 676 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – ? 487 on the tag = 677 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – By Dealer’s Own Truck | ||
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Expert Posts: 1906 Location: Ontario, Canada | 56D500boy - 2020-08-10 1:28 PM . Igor: Can you post an image of the IBM card for that 2558 car to confirm the KD500 engine? Greg: So just so I am clear, the break down for 2558 is: 2 = 122 inch wheel base 57 Dodge 5 = Chassis for D500 and Super D500 (engine bay seems to show a KD500 but only the IBM card can confirm that) 5= D70 Suburban (which somehow is different than the "6" = D70 Suburban and Sierra (??)) 8 = 4 dr "Suburban" (which is generally confusing because in 1955 and 1956 Suburban = 2dr wagon and Sierra = 4 dr wagon) I am a bit surprised that it isn't 2598 because I see grill/bumper teeth which I thought = Custom Sierra. Dave: that's about it! Just more questions. The bumper teeth, spuds, are options and could be ordered on any car. My clue for Custom Sierra would be the trim code, as Igor mentioned. And of course the pics of the interior. Igor: that black wagon is gorgeous! Thanks for the pics. BTW. the middle seat panels are actually cloth. Same for a 57 Convert which seems odd because that cloth could get rained on!! Greg | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . And Body Code 2298 with standard chassis (code 2) – no IBM card, cowl tag only No info about engine Bad to see: is that 6 passenger or 9 passenger wagon? Looks like 6 passenger… 293 on the tag = 323 on the IBM card = Torqueflite 324 on the tag = 374 on the IBM card = Heater (?) – Greg: tell me if you know… 487 on the tag = 677 on the IBM card = Delivery Route – By Dealer’s Own Truck 469 on the tag = 339 on the IBM card = EMPTY – Manual Brakes (no power assisted) Power Steering is not stamped… (1.jpg) (2.jpg) (3.jpg) (4.jpg) (5.jpg) (6.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (28KB - 322 downloads) 2.jpg (76KB - 333 downloads) 3.jpg (68KB - 322 downloads) 4.jpg (109KB - 338 downloads) 5.jpg (105KB - 328 downloads) 6.jpg (87KB - 324 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Today is an information day… Body Code 2167 = 1957 Dodge Coronet Suburban 2door Station Wagon No pictures, description etc. Broadcast sheet only… (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (103KB - 328 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Could the Suburban be a four door? (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (201KB - 333 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Not sure if I like this or not. EDIT: I like it enough to say "My work here is done". I am not going to continue with the 57 Dodge Wagons and their many iterations. I'll leave that in the capable hands of Greg and Igor. Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-10 7:11 PM (57DodgeCompleteLine_Trimmed_Annotated_small.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57DodgeCompleteLine_Trimmed_Annotated_small.jpg (116KB - 347 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2020-08-10 12:22 PM Could the Suburban be a four door? Igor: Sorry. You need to do more research on that car. The one in the photo is NOT the 2167 car. It is actually a D500 (engines missing). 2167 = 2 dr The one in the photo has a big discussion about why it has "Suburban" on the fender when it is clearly a Sierra (even has the Sierra badge on the rear fender). Edited by 56D500boy 2020-08-10 7:12 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Another LA-build «oddball»: Equipped with a D500 engine, but body code 2146 (it should be 2546) I found it when I was looking at the ads cars for sale The owner told it was equipped with an original engine and NeilD500 helped him to decipher the tag… Dave mentioned above that the D500 engine has code 372, and the Super D500 engine has code 491 So, can the code M3 = 2 (372) be D500 engine on the cowl tag? (because body code 2146, and not 2546) Below I have given the full text of the ad for sale: QUOTE: Gentelemen, for your attention I offer a solid restoration project of unrestored D500 Coronet with rare options: - car has original number matching D500 HEMI engine and Trans - original RED/WHITE car - car is rust free and basically complete - car was built lt in L.A. and has the Custom Coronet interior motif - it has the optional carpeting (rubber floor mat was standard quipment on Coros) which is a RARE option - it has optional padded dash and a Jiffy Jet washer - the manual-brake pedal shows little wear, so this car was not subjected to much stop-and-go driving. It was built on or around 5/9/57, so it was built after a lot of early-car 'bugs' had been figured out and remedied. IBM card copy will confirm all the rest of this car's OEM options. It has damage on the right fender, i dont know the nature of it. The car is located in Ayer, MA 01432. NeilD500 helped me to decode the cowl tag. (1.jpg) (2.jpg) (3.jpg) (4.jpg) (5.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (48KB - 339 downloads) 2.jpg (53KB - 323 downloads) 3.jpg (56KB - 318 downloads) 4.jpg (44KB - 328 downloads) 5.jpg (61KB - 322 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Typical. Just when you think you have it figured out, the exception to the rule pops up. Igor: I've cross-referenced this find to the 1957 Dodge D500 body code thread as well: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=74433&... (57DodgeCoronetD500ButWith2146CowlTag_Large.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57DodgeCoronetD500ButWith2146CowlTag_Large.jpg (131KB - 343 downloads) | ||
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