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Location: North Australia | Looks like a fun car. Steve.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Dodge-Phoenix-D-500/284158354283?hash=...
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Location: northern germany | The original owner of this car was only 20 years old when he hotrodded it in 1960 or 59. I heard about a lot of people who were in its teens or early 20s (like Buddy Arrington with a 60 383 Sonoramic) who bought or got these high performance cars. I bet they had a lot of fun!!! |
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Location: Alaska | It's a good story about the car but I don't believe it. I owned a 60 Plymouth with the 361 GC and factory 3 speed still on the column. The HD trans. is a Borg Warner T-85 and yes it was the basis for the T-10 4 speed but it definitely did not have the chev bolt pattern. I know because I had it in and out several times putting engine and trans. in my 57 Fury. It had a long input shaft like a typical mopar trans. but I believe the bolt pattern was closer to Ford than Chev. As to switching input shaft with a T-10, not sure. I bet if you look under this car you would find a bell housing adapter and modified drive shaft. I will agree it would be a fun car to drive. |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | 58coupe - 2021-01-24 6:26 PM
It's a good story about the car but I don't believe it.
I don't know but the part list looks pretty convincing:
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Location: Lubbock, TX | This car sold just a few weeks ago for $33k at Mecum Kissimmee.
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Location: christchurch New Zealand | its interesting looking through the parts list for the 4 speed conversion. 6 x flywheel bolts and 6 x nuts, the 383 as with all engines to 1961 are 8 bolt not 6, and of course if they needed nuts this confirms its a long crank, surprising they only used 6 attaching bolts on an 8 bolt and 8 bolt flywheel. ????
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Location: Alaska | Because most of the early Chrysler standard flywheels only used 6 of the 8 holes. Not to cause an argument but I have never seen an early Chev. T-10 with a bolt pattern even close to what Chrysler used. Maybe they redrilled the bellhousing. Not to mention the longer input shaft. I would love to see this conversion.
Just a note of trivia, Chrysler did use the BW T-10 in 63 only but behind its smaller engines before they developed the 833.
In looking at that list again there is no mention of a bell housing so it must use a special aftermarket one not factory Chrysler.
Edited by 58coupe 2021-01-25 11:51 AM
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| Chrysler offered a T-10 from the factory for six months starting in 1963. It had its own clutch, bell housing, flywheel. and shifter...how do I know? I owned a 63 Sport Fury 383 Golden Commando so equipped.https://www.ebay.com/itm/rare-mopar-borg-warner-T10-transmission-1963-polara-savoy-fury-belvedere-4-speed-/233653190672 |
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This:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/rare-mopar-borg-warner-T10-transmission-196...
Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-25 3:43 PM
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Location: Alaska | That is a very rare trans. If you notice the bolt pattern, it is nothing like a Chevy. As I mentioned earlier, you could not get this trans. behind the max wedge as it wasn't strong enough, not sure why Chrysler decided to use the BW T-85 as it was no stronger IMHO. |
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