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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196    Location: Lower Mainland BC | . One of if not THE first things I bought for my 56 Dodge D500 (with the single 4bbl Carter WCFB) was a chrome aftermarket air cleaner (paid US$20 for the air cleaner WITH the paper element). (My car had come with a 57 style "side saddle" air cleaner - which I hated). In order to run the chrome air cleaner, I had to create a "Franken" adapter using Mr. Gasket 2082 air cleaner adapter (5 1/8" to 4 7/32") and a Mr. Gasket 9341 1" high spacer (for 5 1/8" air cleaners) glued together. Wasn't pretty but it worked (for a while) and allowed me to create a "315 Hemi Head" sticker (modelled on the OE "426 Hemi Head" sticker, as shown below: From a few years ago (lots of changes/improvements in the engine bay since then): At some point in time, I must have over tightened the wing nut on the top of the air cleaner and overstressed the thin edge of the 2082 portion of the "Franken Adapter". The edge cracked. I tried glue and metal foil tape but it was just not going to work well again. In the meantime, I did oil bath to paper conversions of a real OE D500 air cleaner and a "Ram Air" adaption of a Golden Lion 413 air cleaner. So the chrome air cleaner stayed on the shelf. Recently, I decided that I wanted to run the chrome air cleaner again. About the same time, I found a machined telfon adapter on eBay: The text of the auction said: "Very quality heavy Teflon material machined out of stock to fit the top of an Edelbrock or aftermarket Carter AFB series 4 barrel (5-1/8" inlet) carburetor and then allow the original factory 4 barrel (4-7/32") air cleaner to fit. There's a bunch of the cheap adapters that go the other way to put an aftermarket air cleaner on the stock old carburetors but couldn't find any to do this way. Notice the smooth radius edges to not restrict any flow. Made to sit on the Edelbrock and Carter AFB carburetors but will not fit a Holley because of all the choke housing in the way. It does increase the air cleaner height 1" so you guys with low hood clearance, this can be an issues." Sounded good. Maybe too good. So I bought one. Just picked it up today. Now that I have it, I have realized that it is a male/female thing. The 5 1/8" end does fit nicely into the chrome after market air cleaner but the 4 7/32" end is mean to fit *INTO* a 4 7/32" throat air cleaner, NOT OVER the air horn of a 4 7/32" nominal carb top. As Maxwell Smart used to say "Missed by that much" (holding two fingers close together). Ironically, the only way to make the eBay Teflon adapter work would be to cut off the 4 7/32" lip and Franken-add a 2082 adapter.  Where is that guy with a CNC lathe and chunk of aluminum when you need him??  This is the situation: Edited by 56D500boy 2023-07-26 9:35 PM (eBayTeflonCarbAdapterEdelbrockCarbToOldSchoolAirCleaner.jpg) (TargetAfterMarket5Point25ThroatChromeAirCleaner_Top.jpg) (TargetAfterMarket5Point25ThroatChromeAirCleaner_Bottom_WithTelflonEbayAdapter.jpg) (MrGasket2082AirCleanerAdapter.jpg) (MrGasket9341AirCleanerSpacer.jpg) (MrGasketFrankenAdapterBasedOn2082and9341_GluedTogetherOnCarterWCFB.jpg) (MrGasketFrankenAdapterBasedOn2082and9341_GluedTogetherAndEbayTeflonAdapter.jpg) (eBayTelfonAirCleanerAdapterOnCarterWCFB.jpg) Attachments ----------------  eBayTeflonCarbAdapterEdelbrockCarbToOldSchoolAirCleaner.jpg (148KB - 90 downloads) TargetAfterMarket5Point25ThroatChromeAirCleaner_Top.jpg (145KB - 96 downloads) TargetAfterMarket5Point25ThroatChromeAirCleaner_Bottom_WithTelflonEbayAdapter.jpg (147KB - 87 downloads) MrGasket2082AirCleanerAdapter.jpg (122KB - 96 downloads) MrGasket9341AirCleanerSpacer.jpg (143KB - 84 downloads) MrGasketFrankenAdapterBasedOn2082and9341_GluedTogetherOnCarterWCFB.jpg (149KB - 91 downloads) MrGasketFrankenAdapterBasedOn2082and9341_GluedTogetherAndEbayTeflonAdapter.jpg (128KB - 85 downloads) eBayTelfonAirCleanerAdapterOnCarterWCFB.jpg (148KB - 96 downloads) | ||
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| Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9912   Location: So. Cal | I made my own adapter for my '57 Windsor. I modeled it up and had it 3D printed. Pretty easy that way. This was to put a small air cleaner on a big carb. But if you want to go backward, you could model it up and 3D print it just like I did. Just keep in mind that 3D printing tends to shrink dimensions by around 2%, depending on which printer & material you are using. So it would be best to get that information from the printer before you finish the model. Edited by Powerflite 2023-07-26 9:31 PM (AirCleanerAdapter.jpg) Attachments ---------------- AirCleanerAdapter.jpg (107KB - 95 downloads) | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Nathan: What you did (which is great) is exactly what the machined eBay Teflon adapter is supposed to do (now that I figured it out). Live and Learn.  | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . In the interest of moving this issue along, to remake what I made before, I have purchased a Mr. Gasket 2082 size adapter and ordered a 9341 spacer (not in stock at the moment - maybe tomorrow). In the interim, I went into my big box of air cleaner stuff and pulled out a spacer that I made to run the "Ram Air" Golden Lion air cleaner. It was actually a section of 4" nominal PVC pipe coupler (I must have thrown the other bit out - like a fool). Anyway. I tried it over the Carter WCFB. Fits like a dream (better fit than the Mr. Gasket 2082 at the top of the WCFB). As it happens, the machined Telfon eBay adapter fits into the PVC coupler quite nicely (a tiny bit of sanding on the inside of the coupler will improve the fit some more). So I have options: Now to buy another PVC coupler (so I can adjust the height of the assembly so the bottom of the air cleaner clears the choke housing on the carb). Edited by 56D500boy 2023-07-28 9:54 AM (4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_2.jpg) (4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_1.jpg) (4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_WithEbayTeflonAdapter_1.jpg) (4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_WithEbayTeflonAdapter_2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_2.jpg (146KB - 93 downloads) 4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_1.jpg (144KB - 97 downloads) 4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_WithEbayTeflonAdapter_1.jpg (146KB - 90 downloads) 4inchNominalPVCCouplingSectionOnCarterWCFB_WithEbayTeflonAdapter_2.jpg (149KB - 88 downloads) | ||
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| Mopar1 |
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Mopar1 - 2023-07-29 6:15 AM The decal in the various Hemi sizes would probably find a market.... That might be possible, but not easy (it took 12 steps to convert the two 426s to 315s - because of the angle of the numbers) That said, it might not be as hard now that I have the angles worked out. What numbers would be popular (not 241)? 270? 325? 330? 331? 354? 392? Here is the start of a 426 to 392 sticker (I really need to start over with a better quality base image) I was wrong. It still needs the 12 steps. Edited by 56D500boy 2023-07-29 2:13 PM (HemiAirCleanerSticker_426to392_TrialExample.jpg) Attachments ---------------- HemiAirCleanerSticker_426to392_TrialExample.jpg (119KB - 89 downloads) | ||
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| Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9912 Location: So. Cal | |||
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| Mopar1 |
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Expert Posts: 3077 Location: N.W. Fla. | 56D500boy - 2023-07-29 12:52 PM Depending on price I like one for the 331! Mopar1 - 2023-07-29 6:15 AM The decal in the various Hemi sizes would probably find a market.... That might be possible, but not easy (it took 12 steps to convert the two 426s to 315s - because of the angle of the numbers) That said, it might not be as hard now that I have the angles worked out. What numbers would be popular (not 241)? 270? 325? 330? 331? 354? 392? Here is the start of a 426 to 392 sticker (I really need to start over with a better quality base image) | ||
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| chipplake1 |
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Veteran Posts: 143 Location: Chippewa Lake, OH | Thank you for information about the Teflon adapter on eBay- bought one so now I can finally use my Golden Commando air cleaner on my 59 Sport Fury with the Edelbrock carb! Attachments ---------------- IMG_0898.jpeg (213KB - 99 downloads) | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Mopar1 - 2023-07-30 5:29 PM Depending on price I like one for the 331! *Somebody* (unknown to me) has already done this for a 331 installed in a 57 Dodge Coronet. Looks way better than my less than perfect attempt. Edited by 56D500boy 2023-08-02 6:47 PM (Dodge_1957_Coronet_WithChrysler331_AirCleanerSticker.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Dodge_1957_Coronet_WithChrysler331_AirCleanerSticker.jpg (149KB - 87 downloads) | ||
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| Mopar1 |
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Expert Posts: 3077 Location: N.W. Fla. | 56D500boy - 2023-08-02 5:45 PM yes, I've seen that before, but don't recall getting a response to similar comment....Mopar1 - 2023-07-30 5:29 PM Depending on price I like one for the 331! *Somebody* (unknown to me) has already done this for a 331 installed in a 57 Dodge Coronet. Looks way better than my less than perfect attempt. | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | chipplake1 - 2023-08-02 2:25 PM Thank you for information about the Teflon adapter on eBay- bought one so now I can finally use my Golden Commando air cleaner on my 59 Sport Fury with the Edelbrock carb! I hope that eBay Teflon adapter worked for you because I just (finally) tried mine (with a section of 4" nominal PVC coupling) and I am not as happy as I thought I should be. Ended up that the wide end of the Teflon adapter does NOT fit into the base of the chrome 14" air cleaner. I thought that it did. It DOES NOT. The air cleaner base sits *ON* the adapter. Before I got there, over the winter I bought another set of TransDapt 2082 and 9341 bits and remade the Franken adapter that I had done back in the fall of 2016. Not real happy with that either. I can NOT get the air cleaner to sit parallel to the intake manifold. I also bought a PCV vapour adpater for the base of the 14" chrome air cleaner and some nominal 3/4" Vinyl hose to vent the PCV valve into the chrome aircleaner. Here are photos of the new Franken adapter and the modified/reinforced eBay Teflon adapter. Either/both need work. (Brain: Start working on that) (Including lowering the spacer (making it less thick) - have too much clearance above the choke mechanism) Edited by 56D500boy 2024-08-16 9:31 PM (SecondFrankenSpacerWith2082and9341_Aug2024_1.jpg) (SecondFrankenSpacerWith2082and9341_Aug2024_2.jpg) (TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_1.jpg) (TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- SecondFrankenSpacerWith2082and9341_Aug2024_1.jpg (122KB - 32 downloads) SecondFrankenSpacerWith2082and9341_Aug2024_2.jpg (150KB - 33 downloads) TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_1.jpg (144KB - 34 downloads) TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_2.jpg (147KB - 31 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Anybody see the simple (STUPID) mistake that I made? I just saw it now (at 11:38 PM). Have to wait to the AM to rectify (2 minute job). | ||
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| 56D500boy |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Anybody see the simple (STUPID) mistake that I made? I just saw it now (at 11:38 PM). Have to wait to the AM to rectify (2 minute job). | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 56D500boy - 2024-08-16 11:41 PM Anybody see the simple (STUPID) mistake that I made? I just saw it now (at 11:38 PM). Here's your hint.  Now the teflon adapter (with PVC reinforcement/adapter) works perfectly. After I have breakfast, I need to move that PCV port to inner side of the base plate. (TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_BasePanInstalledProperly.jpg) Attachments ---------------- TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_BasePanInstalledProperly.jpg (152KB - 30 downloads) | ||
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| Mr. Bob |
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Regular Posts: 71 Location: Ferndale, WA 98248 | I just had the same problem trying to fit my stock 1960 Plymouth Fury air cleaner on an Edelbrock AVS carb with 5 1/8" top. I stumbled across a post on for B-Bodies Only where the guy "cut a 1 foot piece of 5" exhaust pipe and flanged it out slightly to just fit on the air horn of the carb. Cut out the old center section and welded in a 1" piece of the flanged end of the foot long pipe." See the photos below. My shop said they could fab this up in an hour. Attachments ---------------- Air cleaner conversion 1.jpeg (83KB - 56 downloads) Air cleaner conversion 3.jpeg (97KB - 34 downloads) Air cleaner conversion 2.jpeg (88KB - 30 downloads) Air cleaner conversion 2.jpeg (88KB - 33 downloads) Air cleaner conversion 2.jpeg (88KB - 30 downloads) | ||
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| Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9912 Location: So. Cal | If you want to go from small to large on your air cleaner, it's pretty easy to do without fabbing anything. Just purchase dual carb plates from Summit and you get two of them to play with to weld to your air cleaner. I've done it multiple times on my oil bath air cleaners. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g3008-1 Edited by Powerflite 2024-08-17 3:33 PM (Air Cleaner Base.jpg) (sum-g3008-1_w.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Air Cleaner Base.jpg (149KB - 31 downloads) sum-g3008-1_w.jpg (6KB - 28 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10196 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 56D500boy - 2024-08-17 8:11 AM After I have breakfast, I need to move that PCV port to inner side of the base plate. Did that. Now there are two remaining issues. 1. I need to shorten the hold down rod 2. I need to find a 90 deg rubber boot to connect the PCV components But first a photo of how a 1/2" section of the 4" nominal PVC coupling raises the Teflon spacer just enough to avoid issues with the WCFB carb. Edited by 56D500boy 2024-08-17 5:56 PM (TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_HalfInchSectionOf4inchPVCCoupling.jpg) (TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_BasePanInstalledProperly_FilterAndTopOn.jpg) (TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_BasePanInstalledProperly_FilterAndTopOn_PCVConnectionIssue.jpg) Attachments ---------------- TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_HalfInchSectionOf4inchPVCCoupling.jpg (101KB - 32 downloads) TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_BasePanInstalledProperly_FilterAndTopOn.jpg (170KB - 31 downloads) TeflonSpacerWithPVCCouplingReinforcement_BasePanInstalledProperly_FilterAndTopOn_PCVConnectionIssue.jpg (141KB - 30 downloads) | ||
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