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Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | Is it even possible? (haha) Between the block, exhaust pipe, frame, and torsion bar, the ultra-heavy starter motor is wedged in like a g-string in Kim Kardashian's butt crack. The repair manual is of no help whatsoever. Do you have to disconnect the exhaust pipe from the manifold? Those bolts weren't budging - even with a breaker bar. Anybody done this? | ||
mstrug |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6571 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | https://www.web.imperialclub.info/Repair/Electrical/starter.htm Spray ex. nuts. with PB Blaster or Mouse milk or acetone mixed with trans, fluid. wait. Add heat. try.... | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | Not a great design. There was a thread once about what design changes people would make to the FL cars. I think the master cylinder beneath the brake booster was the most vexing. I'd have to put this in as well! (04 reduced.jpg) (02 reduced.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 04 reduced.jpg (208KB - 77 downloads) 02 reduced.jpg (224KB - 61 downloads) | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7536 Location: northern germany | I have medium length headers and I can remove it w/o ex pipe removal but have to disconnect the cooling lines. Don't you have a transmission cooler? The pipes should be there, under the starter. | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7536 Location: northern germany | Lancer Mike - 2024-04-04 6:07 PM Not a great design. lol, takes a few minutes with a torch to remove the ex pipe, another few for the starter. Have you ever worked on a new car? Chances are, you have to pull the engine with gazillions of wires, pipes and whatever. Not rarely a 4-digit bill at the dealer, just labor. Gotta love the old cars Edited by 1960fury 2024-04-04 8:01 PM | ||
Powerflite |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10033 Location: So. Cal | Mike, in my thread on my '58 Fireflite, I describe the same issue. This is what I wrote: "I finished swapping the starter out of the car. It took me a while because once I disconnected it, I couldn't figure out how to get it past the torsion bar or exhaust. Both options were quite painful for a typical R&R of a starter, in a field of dirt. Instead, I removed the master cylinder & throttle linkage. Then I was able to pull it out from the top." So that's what I did, and was definitely the quickest method, but also still painful. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | Thanks Sid and Nathan. I'll figure out a way. The worst of it is, I think the starter works fine. I want to replace the solenoid! I should have looked at your thread, Nathan! I did a search in titles and couldn't get a hit. I'll put in a link to your thread, just in case anyone else is having the same problem. Bottom of page 1
Do you think removal of the access panel under the brake pedal would allow me to get it out through the passenger compartment? Edited by Lancer Mike 2024-04-05 3:47 PM | ||
Powerflite |
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10033 Location: So. Cal | That might be a good way, but I'm not sure. I didn't think of that at the time. The screws for that panel would have required a torch to remove, so that's likely why I didn't consider it. Edited by Powerflite 2024-04-05 5:15 PM | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | Hallelujah! I took Marc's advice and soaked the exhaust pipe bolts with PB Blaster and hit em with a big ol' breaker bar and got both bolts off. I was able to move the exhaust pipe just enought that I could BARELY squeeze the starter motor out. Removing the MC and linkage looked really difficult, but that was plan B. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | I bought a new solenoid and plunger kit from Vintage Auto Garage. It didn't come with any instructions. Edited by Lancer Mike 2024-04-10 11:09 PM (new solenoid and plunger kit reduced.jpg) Attachments ---------------- new solenoid and plunger kit reduced.jpg (206KB - 73 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | A few questions:
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22mafeja |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 717 Location: Finland | yes-no-yes , IMO Edited by 22mafeja 2024-04-11 2:31 AM | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | Thanks, Ralf. I will assemble and bench test. I didn't know if there was some sort of electrostatic grease, but I'll go bareback and see what happens. A bit better assembly diagram: Edited by Lancer Mike 2024-04-11 9:04 PM (plunger assembly revised.jpg) Attachments ---------------- plunger assembly revised.jpg (33KB - 59 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Centennial State | Thanks everyone for your help. 'Twas still a huge pain to get the motor back in and tighten the mounting bolt and nut, but it's done and the De Soto is running and driving again. One curious thing: the negative battery kill switch seems to have failed during the process. I'm not sure if it is related to the coil problem or just coincidence. I did not know those things could malfunction or break! At any rate, I hope that's the last time I will ever have to remove the starter motor. One more spring to add to the diagram. Edited by Lancer Mike 2024-04-17 6:24 PM (plunger assembly revised.jpg) Attachments ---------------- plunger assembly revised.jpg (38KB - 64 downloads) | ||
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