Re: IML: Cranked Windows/Difficult to believe, Why????

[<50scars@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

What I said was "IF POWER WINDOWS WERE STANDARD, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO
BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD HAVE THE OPTION OF DELETING THEM".  Since they were
not standard but cranked ones were, then obviously you could have the
option of not having power windows.


> What is there to believe? Power windows were optional and crank windows
> were standard equipment on Imperial Customs from 1957 through 1963.
> There are examples of cars built with each. There have been several on
> Ebay with crank windows over the last couple of years. I have made a
> point of posting a note each time I see one. If rarity was the only
> criteria for car values, Imperials with crank windows would be at the
> top of the list. They are out there, but very few.
>
> Paul W.
>
> In an email dated 12/8/2005 9:01:20 pm GMT Daylight time,
> <50scars@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
>>I would find it difficult to believe that if power windows were
>> standard on Imperials that you could have the option of deleting them.
>> ?Something like a heater or radio would not be too difficult, but since
>> crank windows would require a totally different window mechanism and
>> door panel from power ones, and crank windows were not offered
>> otherwise, I doubt you could delete them.
>> ? As far as "stripper Imperials", ?all that is is the car with
>> standard
>>equipment but no extra cost options. ?In the normal meaning of the
>> term, no Imperial would be a "Stripper". ?A stripper would be something
>> like the lowest line Plymouth Plaza, stick 6, no options, like no
>> radio, no heater, sunvisor and door armrest on the driver's door only,
>> rubber mat not carpet, black tires, poverty hubcaps not wheel covers.
>> They came with no side chrome, no chrome around the windows.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello All;
>>> ? I suspect that an Imperial with crank windows would likely have
>>> been a special order car regardless of model. In the case of the year
>>> of my car, 1954, power windows, power steering, heater, radio, dash
>>> clock, automatic transmission, and tinted windows were all standard
>>> in the Custom series. What was not standard was A.C, twin outside
>>> mirrors, the Ausco Lambert Disk Brakes, and spoked rims, I don't know
>>> about the power bench seat. Likely there were some options on
>>> upholstery and paint schemes as well. I can't speak for a later model
>>> Imperial but to leave out any of the standard items listed, like a
>>> radio or power windows, would be a delete option.
>>> Best Regards
>>> Arran Foster
>>> 1954 Imperial Newport
>>> Needing A Left Side tailight bezel and other trim parts.
>>>
>>> ? ----- Original Message -----
>>> ? From: Crownking
>>> ? To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> ? Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:25 PM
>>> ? Subject: IML: Cranked Windows
>>>
>>>
>>> ? I have seen a '61 in Katy, TX without power windows. ?I do not know
>>> what trim level car was involved but the windows were definitely the
>>> old wind-up style.
>>>
>>> ? Kenyon Wills <imperialist1960@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> ? ? OK.
>>>
>>> ? ? Tell ya what: I'll retract the word "stripper" and I
>>> ? ? do apologize if it offends, and no, I didn't stop to
>>> ? ? consider that your car has a feminine name when I
>>> ? ? chose that word.
>>>
>>> ? ? What I don't see, Hugh, is a better definition of what
>>> ? ? a custom is in your letter. OK. Fine.
>>>
>>> ? ? I'm not writing this to push your button, but if
>>> ? ? you're going to disagree with a definition, the least
>>> ? ? you could do is offer a correction/corroboration for
>>> ? ? your position after pointing out something that you
>>> ? ? consider inaccurate, right? I try to, anyway.
>>>
>>> ? ? SO:
>>> ? ? Chrysler, it seems to me, would have had reason to
>>> ? ? have created three model lines, however closely
>>> ? ? related, so as to differentiate different price
>>> ? ? points/choices/trim & accessory levels.
>>>
>>> ? ? If a Custom has the same stuff that a Crown or LeBaron
>>> ? ? did (besides the rear glass), why bother with the
>>> ? ? model names at all? Riddle me that, Batman.
>>>
>>> ? ? If there are three models, that are somehow sold as
>>> ? ? being in order of good-better-best, then based on my
>>> ? ? experience in our free-market system, one of the three
>>> ? ? different models has to be the "base" or "least fully
>>> ? ? optioned" or something akin to a upper car but without
>>> ? ? the options (or "stripped of options" or "stripper",
>>> ? ? an industry term that is relative to other similar
>>> ? ? models, implying lower profit due to lower markup),
>>> ? ? right? That's what I was getting at.
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? Last but not least: 1967 saw MANUAL cranks on the vent
>>> ? ? windows on some "base" model Imperials, and I'm
>>> ? ? talking about the general run of cars here, not just
>>> ? ? the incredibly lovely 1957-59's.
>>>
>>> ? ? I called Lowell, praying that he'd have a 57-59 in his
>>> ? ? yard with a crank in it so that I could send you a
>>> ? ? picture, but he agrees that no cranks were offered
>>> ? ? till 1967.
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? -Kenyon Wills
>>> ? ? instigator of the great window crank debate of '05
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? --- Hugh & Therese wrote:
>>>
>>> ? ? > Kenyon wrote:
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? > Customs were stipper cars that had most extra-cost
>>> ? ? > things deleted. There are cars running around with
>>> ? ? > manual windows and no AC and so forth, which
>>> ? ? > generally
>>> ? ? > are the base models. Most dealers would not order
>>> ? ? > something like this for stock on their lot, so those
>>> ? ? > cars are the mark of someone that wanted the image
>>> ? ? > but
>>> ? ? > was VERY cost conscious - to the point of waiting
>>> ? ? > for
>>> ? ? > a car to be built to their specification to save
>>> ? ? > money
>>> ? ? > in many cases.
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? > With all due respect, I could not disagree more.
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? > My base model has everything a LeBaron has,
>>> ? ? > including front and rear air.
>>> ? ? > It is hardly a "stripper." The idea of a stripper
>>> ? ? > Imperial is oxymoronic.
>>> ? ? > The company would have frowned at the concept of its
>>> ? ? > ultimate "desire"
>>> ? ? > vehicle being built in this way. The original owner
>>> ? ? > of my car hated
>>> ? ? > leather, as well he might in Texas. I heard this
>>> ? ? > from his niece. He had
>>> ? ? > issues trying to get a Cadillac without leather plus
>>> ? ? > the Mopar dealership in
>>> ? ? > the small town, Seguin, supplied him with other
>>> ? ? > vehicles for his several
>>> ? ? > businesses plus a truck to pull his Tennessee
>>> ? ? > "Walking Horses." To avoid
>>> ? ? > leather, he purchased the base model. Otherwise it
>>> ? ? > is one of the most
>>> ? ? > loaded 58s ever made. Cost was not the issue at
>>> ? ? > all.
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? > I have heard about manual windows but not during the
>>> ? ? > 57 / 58 / 59 era. I'd
>>> ? ? > be very interested to know who might have one or
>>> ? ? > have seen one.
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? > Hugh
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? >
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