Re: IML: Painting Clear Base? Think twice!!!

["bom tie" <bomtie@xxxxxxxxxx>]

My factory paint is "deep". The old way to measure a hand rubbed job was; # of coats and how many inches could you read in the reflection on a yardstick resting on the paint. I have taken 35mm photos of my drivers door with a red truck setting 40 feet away reflecting off the paint, it is SO clear you think the photo is just of the truck. 
I want THAT depth... with out the syrup on top. 


 --- On Tue 12/06, Kenyon Wills  imperialist1960@xxxxxxxxx  wrote:
From: Kenyon Wills [mailto: imperialist1960@xxxxxxxxx]
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:17:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: IML:  Painting Clear Base?  Think twice!!!

<div id="RTEContent">I've been though this six different ways regarding what I will do on my 196o.? <br>  <br>  The current paint industry revolves around 2-stage paint.? It's  the most efficient and modern way to paint, and asking people that are  not restoring older cars, but fixing newer cars will yeild all sorts of  puzzlement about why you WOULDN'T use 2-stage.? It's your job to  discern the difference, as there is precious little help out there in  the current paint arena.<br>  <br>  <br>  Here's the reasons that I'm shooting single stage on the practice cars that I'm doing in preparation to shooting my 196o:? <br>  <br>  <span style="font-weight: bold;">Gloss/wet-look:?</span> That's  the standard of modern paint technology.? People want modern cars  to look as wet and shiny as possible, especially the hot-rods and  customs.? Guess what most people ask for at the paint  counter?? Guess what the paint guy is most used to talking 
 about?? Guess what you'll hear about?? Clear, gloss, depth,  shine, durability....? When you look at clear, you are seeing the  color reflected through an optical, clear lens of paint that looks very  glossy and "deep" as the light is refracted through the clear before it  gets to your eye.? <br>  <br>  They were spraying single stage at the factory, and your car when new  looked shiny and "hard", not deep and glossy.? If there is ANY  portion of your car that has unrusted factory paint on it, take a  buffer to it and polish it.? That's what you should be trying for  if you want period.? Chrysler paint, especially from 64-74 seems  to come back really nicely when correctly polished with a buffer.?  It does not hold its shine well without serious maintenance, which is  why so many cars don't look their best.<br>  <br>  <span style="font-weight: bold;">Over-restoration:</span>? I met a  guy with a positively brilliant 1967.? The car
 was  yellowey/parchment or some such, and was very straight and original  looking with low miles and almost no wear, EXCEPT the car had been  repainted.? He'd taken it to someone, and they had done a very  competent job of smoothing the flat sides, making it a really super  paint job that I really admired at first glance.? I think that he  said he spent around $5k.? <span style="font-weight: bold;">Problem:?</span>  The thing looked like it was covered in clear syrup and was still  wet..? To my eye, after having polished my own cars with factory  paint, the car just looked wrong.? It looked<span style="font-style: italic;"> too</span> new and <span style="font-style: italic;">too</span>  shiny.? Like it was trying too hard.? The guy was VERY happy  with it, so who am I to say, but....? The chrome wasn't redone,  wasn't bad, but had a little "patina" to it, and the paint was so busy  being brilliant and crystalline diamond reflective and
 mirror smooth,  that it looked out of place on the car and sorta took over.? Would  have looked super on a rod or custom, but looked really out of place  there.? I don't want my car's paint to shout when I arrive  someplace.? Just be shiny and nice.<br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  I bought laquer, which is correct for the car.? I shot it and  played with it on some of the doors that are off the car, and was  unable to get the results that I wanted without polishing it quite a  bit.? The old-timers say that laquer will return to the state that  it was applied (dull if it dried that way), and I tried using DuPont  Nason single stage paint on my uncle's porsche and was much happier  with that.? <br>  <br>  It's a little shiny even so, but that's OK.? At least it isn't  deep, and is close enough to the real thing (when polished).?  Laquer is not as bullet-proof regarding bird-poop, tar, and other  things, so I'm OK moving to something more modern, although
 keep in  mind that until recently (15 years ago or so) that quite a few of the  show-cars and so forth were still painted in laquer.? The paint  industry and the EPA have moved things away from the older stuff, but  that does not make it any less worthy of consideration when determining  what to do in the restoration process of an older car.<br>  <br>  I predict/aspire to have paint that is similar to Dick B's car  (WOW!? DICK, you rock!), and can't imagine ever having clear on my  car.<br>  <br>  <br>  Suggest that if you are really still concerned about this that you get  a paint shop to spray a couple of pieces of metal in single stage and  2-stage in the same color or similar and take them out in the sunlight  (!!) for comparison.? Most paint stores can help with this as  well, but be careful about opinionated folks that don't do a good job  of comparing/advocating as opposed to pushing.<br>  <br>  <br>  -Kenyon<br><br><b><i>bom tie
 <bomtie@xxxxxxxxxx></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">  <br><br>I am painting black. Does basecoat clear look right for a  50's-60's factory job. Or will single stage give a deeper gloss that  looks closer to factory look?<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com<br>The most personalized portal on the Web!<br><br><br><br><br>-----------------  http://www.imperialclub.com  -----------------<br>This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please <br>reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be <br>shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the<br>Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm<br><br></blockquote><br></div><BR><BR><DIV>
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