Roger and others,
I was involved in a transaction many years ago with a rather valuable
car that was missing its title. I remember that the car in question was
"ran through" the state of Georgia to correct this problem.
It seems in Georgia that any car pre 1985 can be bought and sold on
just a simple bill of sale. I don't remember the company that was used
for this transaction, but what happens is for a fee, the company
temporarily takes posession of the car on paper, registers it in
Georgia, and then transfers ownership to you. In this case, not only
were the proper registration papers providd to me to register the car in
my state, but valid Georgia license plates registered to the car came
along as part of the deal. Who knows, this might be enough to get you
over the border with your eBay deal.
I just did a quickie internet search and came up with this company:
http://futuretech-enterprises.com/us-auto/
It seems that they are using this method to title older cars with
missing titles.
DISCLAIMER: I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS COMPANY, IT'S PRACTICES OR THE
LEGALITY OF HOW THIS MAY PERTAIN TO YOU IN YOUR HOME STATE. But what
the heck, it may get you out of your predicament.
Anybody else on the list ever used this method?
Best Regards,
Thomas F. Miller
300C
tfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> ROGER MEISENBACH <rogrelem@xxxxxxx> 6/24/2003 12:23:10 AM >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: ROGER MEISENBACH
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:48 PM
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IML: Checking ownership
BUYER'S BEWARE............Word of caution to anyone contemplating
buying a car out of Canada. They do have a process called Registration
there, similar to our titles, providing for valid/certified transfer of
ownership. Just know that any Canadian joker/shyster can legally sell
any vehicle with a simple Bill of Sale and the agreeable VIN, WITHOUT
BEING THE CURRENT REGISTERED OWNER!!!
Believe this is true in all the provinces. Some transactions,
especially at Used Car Dealerships, may go through multiple "sales"
without Registration/Title change and the last registered owner being
maybe years back in the car's history. And unobtainable for sign-off. I
understand the locals live through this by obtaining some kind of
easy-to-get temporary license tag that does not require proof of
ownership. Sound absurd? You bet.
I speak from first-hand negative experience in an eBay deal where
policy states rather quick deposit and final payoff (also, the eBay
buyer protection plan, Safe Harbor, does not apply to deals outside the
U.S.). My "seller" delayed sending a copy of the current
Registration/Title long enough to clear my Cashier's Check and then
never provided it. It was non-existent and he knew it. But perfectly
legal in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Without proper paperwork showing a valid transfer, you cannot get
a car across U.S. customs...whether it was U.S. or Canadian built.
There's more to this story but this is enough for now. Anybody else
with crooked Canadian deals? Who would think that any civilized system
in the Western World would allow such a loop hole and opportunity for
"legal" criminal misrepresentation. I can only guess this system
prevails because it provides attorneys a cash cow. Roger K.C., MO
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Smith
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:07 AM
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IML: Checking ownership
When buying a used car, you will already need to have the title in
order to register it, so you know who that person is. As a rule,
private party sales require the current owner (or seller) to sign off on
the title and give it to you. Finding owners previous to the last one I
think was the issue.
In addition, if you buy from a car dealership you will never see the
title because the dealership is required by law to process the change of
ownership.
For vehicles purchased without a title (on a "bill of sale"), there are
companies that can obtain a good title for you at a cost but again, you
will not know who the last (or any previous) owners were.
As for it being a violation of the "Privacy Act", any public record is
not subject to any privacy act.
Regards,
Bob
"A. Foster" <monkeypuzzle1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
No Sir;
Finding former owners is pretty standard practice in jurisdictions
that
require titles for vehicle registration. If you buy a used car you need
the
last registered registered owner to transfer the title to you. In the
case
of a car that hasn't seen the road for some time it is no uncommon for
the
owner of a car not to have the title transfered to him unless he
intended to
drive it straight away.. How would you go about doing that without a
title
search of prior owners if you are not allowed to know who those owners
are?
I think someone is getting car ownership mixed up with license plate
numbers.
Best Regards
Arran Foster
1954 Imperial Newport
Needing A Left Side tailight Bezel and other trim parts.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: IML: Checking ownership
> I highly doubt that any state will give anyone information about a
car's
former owner for the simple fact that it is a violation of the Privacy
Act.
> Doug 1958 Crown coupe
> >
> > From: Bob Smith
> > Date: 2003/06/19 Thu PM 08:24:09 EDT
> > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: IML: Checking ownership
> >
> > If you know what state it was last in, some states might furnish
this
information (for a fee). In some cases, they charge for each owner
information. However, in California, no one can get information on
former
owners due to a law that was enacted about a decade ago. If you don't
know
what state it was last registered in, you are pretty much out of luck.
> >
> > JOHN FACER wrote:
> > Hi,can anyone tell me how to trace the the previous American owners
of
my 1981 Imperial.?
> > Any help would be welcom.
> > Johnny 'Jack Daniels' Facer
> >
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