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Neil,
I have written many times to this list about the 60 Fireflite crossram 3-speed car I once owned. It was a brute, and I well recall many of the details regarding that trans. However, it was simply what came in the car and I never did much with it besides rebuild it. The non-synchro 1st and reverse were a real bitch in Seattle traffic. 1st was kind of lame, but 2nd got you out of the hole like a slingshot.
I have the 55-8 parts book, and maybe this would shed some light on the subject ? That is one place I have never gone in that book.
I can relate that when I started the rebuild of this car, I was told by some major players that the 3-speed put into 60-61 cars was the "old bulletproof unit used in trucks since the war", and was used as a recall solution to the failed Pont-a-Mousson 4-speed introduced in 1960. No one recognized that the 3-speed might have been modified or different applications existed.
I enjoyed opening that car up on a regular basis once I cured a chronic breaking of the clutch problem. It was plenty beefy to take those crossrams.
I will try to find some time to pourover the trans section in the book and see if anything jumps off the pages. I am busy as hell right now, so keep bugging me.
B
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> A week or so, ago, I'd asked if anyone had a definitive listing of the
> various iterations, or applications, or part numbers for the 3-speed
> transmissions that went into the FWDLK'ers.
>
> Sports Cars Illustrated (3/58) has a very complimentary review of the
> '58 Fury, and states : " The '58 Fury's manual transmission
> is smoother in its opeation than that of the '57.
> It's still on the heavy side, though, and requires prior engagement of a
> synchronized gear if clashing is to be avoided on engagement of low or
> reverse. But, its crossover (fore and aft motion in the neutral
> position) and up and down shifts between second and high are smoother.
> This transmission has undergone !
two re-
designs dictated by increasingly
> powerful engines. In the course of making the gear teeth
> huskier, low's ratio has gone from 2.58 to 2.50 to 2.33, and second's
> from 1.83 to 1.68 to 1.55 .
> In the '58 Fury with 3.73 axle gears, it is possible to wind out to 54
> mph in low and 85 mph in second.
>
> Rear axles have undergone a similar beefing-up, with the result that the
> choice of optional final drive ratios now has dropped to two. They are
> 3.73 for the stick and 3.36 for the Torqueflite torque converter
> transmission."
>
> Nothing was said about the 350 c.i. Golden Commando engined 58 Fury
> being so much slower than the 295 c.i. 1956 D-500-1 ( with its own
> 'beefed'-3-speed, which allowed it to exceed 100 mph, in the quarter
> mile, right?) , but the article concludes : " As for sheer go, it far
> outstrips the already hot '57 Fury."
>
> !
The '58
Fury only managed a paltry 15.5 second quarter mile, at 86 mph
>
> Interestingly, the Fury got to 80 mph in 13.2 seconds, so, it took about
> 2 seconds longer to get to 86 mph.
>
> The '56 D500-1 broke 14 seconds in the quarter mile, huh? Must be the
> power to weight ratio.
>
> The '58 Fury weighed 3830 lbs; the mythology on the D500-1 would have it
> weigh around 3400 lbs in order to reach 15 second quarter mile times,
> IIRC.
>
> ANY WEIGHT, does anyone know/have the model/part numbers for the various
> 3-speed transmissions, that were produced in the 50's, and what ratios
> they may have had, in them, and what their applications may have been?
>
> Neil Vedder
>
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