Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..

In a message dated 6/20/2008 1:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

NO, Mark's saying that the tar-toppers like the one he has come with
screwed-in caps.

NO, you're not a lawyer, you're an actor posing as a lawyer.
Who's your defendant? What's your proof? How do you know what a '57 came
with? Vas you dere, Cholly?

Seems to me, at some past point in time when you were waxing ewloquent about
this wonderful time capsule, that you said it would be a perfect example of
an unmolested car. Now you're challenging it's authenticity.

--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66
Plymouth, '41 Dodge

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Services" <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..

> Hey, Mark; are you saying that your-guy can modify a Tar-Topper to accept
> real screw-in caps?
>
> I would like to send him my T-T, for that work to be done.
>
> The fact that a cap can be unscrewed might just fool a 'judge' into
> accepting the T-T as being a
> part of a real-battery, once he casually turns one or more of the caps,
> and finds that they're
> removable (and are real 3-D caps, too).
>
>
> And, on another matter :
>
> Because Ms. B's battery has no raised-or-embossed branding on it, because
> the battery caps, too,
> have no (MoPar) logos on them , at all, and the fact that the caps
> appear to be white
> colored (they would have had their color be molded-into their
> composition, proves by a preponderance
> of evidence, that the battery, your Honor, is NOT in fact, the one which
> was installed at the factory, but is,
> in fact, a sub-quality GENERIC battery!
>
> On that basis in Fraud-theory, my client, The Forwardlook Network,
> representing TENS of persons, worldwide,
> is pleading for reasonable and just compensation , for mental anguish
> and lost work productivity, subject to
> actual loss verification, of Ten million dollars, plus costs, from the
> providing-dealership, in the above-entitled action.
>
> Neil Vedder, Esq.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark H wrote:
>> Obviously, I have no idea if it was a "generic" battery or otherwise - I
>> just saw no logos. One could've been there and covered in muck colored
>> grime, for all I know. I didn't mess with it too much - didn't want to
>> get in trouble - since we weren't supposed to touch her at all, and the
>> security guards were flitting all around us. We've all seen the pics
>> that show the caps to be whitish. I was amazed how easily the caps spun
>> off and back on. The real caps are not glued into the fake plastic
>> tar-toppers. They are screwed in just like for real. The guy I bought
>> the plastic case from makes appropriate sized holes in the top of the
>> repop battery case, and you just screw those caps on as if they belonged
>> there! The same guy also supplied me with my supply of authentic Mopar
>> brand caps. Don't know where he gets 'em, but I make it a point to stop
>> by his booth at every Portland Swap Meet to ask him if he has found any
>> more . . . .
>> Mark   mjh
>> 57 Fury
>>
>> */eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>>
>>    Mark, it seems weird that there would be a completely "generic"
>>    battery
>>    built by some company without any logos on it, unless, Chrysler
>>    had some
>>    sort of contract with that company which would have stipulated that
>>    there be no advertising on it, for installation in line-production
>>    vehicles.
>>
>>    Any idea/opinion what color the generic battery caps were?
>>
>>    Any tricks involved in cutting out the fake-caps and gluing-in real
>>    battery caps, into the Tar Toppers?
>>
>>    Neil Vedder
>>
>>
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>>    Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:35:21 -0700
>>    From: Mark H <pizoboom@xxxxxxxxx>
>>    Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..
>>    To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>    This is one detail I actually paid pretty close attention to in
>>    Tulsa. A coupla years ago I bought one of those Ultima batteries
>>    for Mr. Finzzz and one of those plastic repro battery cases that
>>    supposedly look like the actual batteries from the fifties, so you
>>    can fool the car show people into thinking you have a real fifties
>>    battery (right!). Anyway, one of the nights when our small group of
>> vandals broke in
>>    and took pictures with Miss B and the security guards at the
>>    indoor car show, I was curious as to whether my repop battery case
>>    looked like a REAL original, so I peeked into the engine
>>    compartment to look at Miss B's battery. I moved it around a
>>    little - and saw no logos anywhere. I spun off one of the plastic
>>    filler lids (I found actual real Mopar lids for use on the repop
>>    plastic - adds to the authenticity!) and was surprised to see no
>>    names or logos on it either!
>> It made me question whether the Mopar filler lids I have were true
>>    to the cars, or some sort of battery accessory - you wouldn't
>>    think they would've put many dealer add-on accesories to the car
>>    they were going to bury . . . .
>> Mark   mjh
>>    '57 Fury
>>    Sutherlin, OR
>>
>>    */Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>>
>>    I sincerely doubt that Pic #3 is the identical replacement
>>    battery for a '57
>>    Dodge or Plymouth. Why?
>>
>>    [1] The curved "m" emblem for MoPar wasn't used until later.
>>
>>    [2] The book from which you took the photo says Pic #1 for
>>    1956-58 Chrysler
>>    Prod.
>>
>>    [3] My 1955-58 Parts Book already has a superceded number for
>>    the 1956-58
>>    Dodge/Plymouth/DeSoto 50 amp battery, 1818959 [wet] and
>>    1818932 [dry].
>>    That, coincidentally, is the number for the 1956-58 Chrysler
>>    50 amp battery.
>>    In other words, replacement # does not match original #.
>>
>>    In addition to the parts book, I looked thru my '58 DeSoto and
>>    '56 Plymouth
>>    FSM's; the battery pix are the same as the Parts book, none of
>>    which show
>>    the label.
>>
>>    So, for those who strive for absolute authenticity...
>>    fughettabouttit !!!
>>    Or maybe buy one of the #1 batteries from Neil's vendor pic.
>>
>>    --Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56
>>    Plymouth, '66
>>    Plymouth, '41 Dodge
>>
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Services"
>>    To:
>>    Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:18 AM
>>    Subject: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..
>>
>>
>>    >I think that George McKovich PM'ed me, to say that the MoPar
>>    logo, on
>>    > Ms. Belvie's battery (as depicted on the attached Antique
>>    Auto battery
>>    > folder)
>>    > was seen to have been placed/oriented toward the fender,
>>    instead of its
>>    > facing
>>    > inboard, toward the engine compartment.
>>    >
>>    > BTW, Style-3 is OEM-correct for Group 24 1957+ cars.
>>    >
>>    > The placement of the battery terminals pretty much
>>    determines how the
>>    > battery
>>    > is to be installed, on the inner fender.
>>    >
>>    > Ron Water's pics, from last week, clearly(?) showed that
>>    there was no
>>    > visible
>>    > logo facing the engine compartment, AND(??) that the battery
>>    caps may have
>>    > been white-colored.
>>    >
>>    > I'm wondering what color to re-paint the yellow "Delco"
>>    fake-caps which
>>    > appear on the Tar-Topper-fake-battery-lid, after I remove
>>    the "Delco"
>>    > embossments FROM the fake-caps.
>>    >
>>    > Neil Vedder
>>
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