[FWDLK] Body Mounts (pics)

To supplement Jim's email: I just happen to have the front clip off my '59 Coronet 2 door hardtop while Im detailing the firewall and engine compartment, so I was able to easily look and snap some photos of the passenger side. I got this car from the 2nd owner (who bought it in '68 when it was traded in on a new car at his dealership) and I am confident this body has not been off the frame..

If anyone wants larger pics, email me off-list.

bodybolt1-top.jpg This is the one under the firewall/cowl. You can easily see a thick flat washer, a star lock nut, then the nut.

bodybolt1-bottom.jpg Same one but the bottom part under the mount (side view). Starting at the bottom, I see a nut, a flat waster (no lock washer), a square spacer or shim that looks welded in place, thee support, another flat washer (not cupped) them a rubber insulator, then the body (no top cupped washer either)

bodybolt2.jpg This is a side view of the next mount back (under the door hinge area). From the bottom up, I see a nut, a thick flat washer, a rubber insulator, another thick flat washer. the support, and then a rubber insulator squished in between the mount and the body, Again, no cupped washers.

I wonder though, if cupped washers are a better idea, no matter what the factory did, as they would help the rubber insulators stay captive and in shape (no "blowouts") over the years. Or maybe it was just a shortcut during assembly. ("Oh darn, I ran out of cupped washers. Oh well, none for THIS car!")

Lou

On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Jim Rawa wrote:

I've been writing replies on this a few times, but finally went out in the 25 degree environment of my garage and looked at several [which counts out as 13 out of the following: 16 2drht 57/8 plymouths, 1 57 2dr sedan, 1 57 2dr wagon, 57 and 58 firedomes, and 2 59 dodge hardtops, 59 new yorker hardtop]- of my fwdlk collection of only 57-9 models

now i won't say in rebuttal, because literature and manuals printed 50 years ago may say otherwise, or other than what you have in reality- and some will beg to argue.. but i have had - plymouths alone [57-58] about 60 to date.. and though I only looked at the body mounts or cared enough to on a solid 40 or so... i can say i have never seen a 2dr hardtop, 4dr hardtop, or any sedan configuration WITHOUT solid cupped washers at the cowl mount position-
[clipped quote]:
Only convertibles used cupped washers and they were used without rubber mounts.
on all models. Is yours a convertible?
The front mount is attached directly to the frame without cups or rubber mounts
i included in an email to Alan- 3 photos taken 10 min ago of 2drht body mounts on cars that have never been apart from the factory- using solid cupped washers at the cowl- his question was what order/configuration do they go in?? THE ANSWER IS NO 2 ARE ALIKE! depending on who the tech on the assembly line was that day, the accuracy of construction/tolerances of both frame and body, will all affect how many cups, shims, washers.. etc... its up to you to understand body mechanics after aligning all soft mounts to then determine the height of the solid mount, which when shimmed, should give a 1/32" gap with all other mounts laid in place, not tight.
i've only put about 8 or 9 plymouth bodies back on frames with excellent results, including beng a part of the SEMA-bound 58 "christine clone" currently under construction by the owner of the CCC website.

the following cars were viewed in my collection to validate that [all] plymouths in question use solid cowl cup mounts: 57 savoy 2dr sedan 13xxx actual miles, 57 Fury, 57 Fury, 57 Savoy, 68xxx mile all orig, 57 savoy parts car- but 78xxx unmolested miles, 58 golden commando savoy, 58 belv, 58 belv, 58 belv, 57 belv, 57 Firedome [since it was in the lineup], 58 savoy, and last a 57 belv...

i'll try to fwd a photo of the survivor 57 fury photo body mount as it is the best... in a different email

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