Re: [Chrysler300] Resending Gasohol additive article

[Keith Boonstra <kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

And here's the clincher on the havoc that ethanol is visiting upon your 
vintage fuel system.  Watch the video in this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqWT8ZfG5Y

Keith Boonstra

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On 11/1/2011 7:27 PM, Tony Rinaldi wrote:
>
>
> Hope this comes thru:
>
> COMPARATIVE EVAULATION OF PREVENTION OF GASOHOL PHASE SEPARATION BY FUEL
> ADDITIVES
> by Benjamin Kellogg
>
> October 31, 2011
>
> The Lundt Brothers gas station in Blair, Nebraska, in 1934. Their sign
> emblazoned with ³Buy Corn Alcohol Gas Here² proves that gasohol is an idea
> that has been around for quite some time, at least in Nebraska!
>
>
> Do ethanol fuel additives really deliver what they promise and help save
> your engine from the ravages of E10? In this article, some popular fuel
> additives are put to the test.
>
> Did you know that certain fuel additives can increase the stability of 
> fuels
> containing ethanol?  Author and chemist Benjamin Kellogg discusses several
> readily available additives and how they can make modern fuels less 
> harmful
> to your historic vehicles.  This article, which first appeared in the Fall
> 2011 issue of Army Motors, presents the results of an objective experiment
> designed to prove or refute the benefits of ³fuel stabilizers.²  --The
> Editors
>
>
> Introduction:
>
> To design a simple, yet reproducible experiment to test the ³storage
> enhancing² properties of fuel stabilizers, I decided to test the 
> ability of
> these additives to alter phase separation points. Two additives were
> compared by a simple titration experiment.
>
> Background:
>
> E10 gasohol is an inherently hygroscopic (absorbing and retaining water)
> solution due to the chemical nature of the ethanol (ethyl alcohol) 
> added to
> the petroleum gasoline. The hygroscopic character of the ethanol means 
> that
> gasohol will contain water. The actual amount of water that can be held in
> solution in E10 varies directly with temperature. At 20° C, E10 can 
> contain
> as much as 0.5 ml of water per 100 ml of E10. At -10° C, E10 can only hold
> 0.3 ml of water per 100 ml of E10.
>
> Once the water content exceeds these limits, the phenomenon of ³phase
> separation² will occur. Gasohol phase separation happens when the ethanol
> and water components separate from the petroleum gasoline; i.e., the
> ³phases² of the E10 gasohol solution ³separate.²
>
> During phase separation, the more dense ethanol and water components 
> settle
> to the bottom of the container (i.e., the fuel tank), while the less dense
> gasoline components rise to the top. The process is essentially
> irreversible. If phase separation happens in a fuel tank, corrosion can
> occur in the lower aspects of the tank exposed to the ethanol and water
> component. Fuel stabilizers purportedly allow a greater amount of water to
> remain in solution in the gasohol before phase separation occurs. This 
> claim
> could be tested.
>
> Methods:
>
> Two Eastwood ³Fuel Guard² products were obtained for these tests: Fuel 
> Guard
> Protection formula to be used for every fill-up and Fuel Stabilizer 
> formula
> for fuel stored up to 12 months. These fuel additives were mixed 
> separately
> and in combination into 50 ml of E10 gasohol according to manufacturer¹s
> instructions. The amounts of each that were added to 50 ml of E10 are 
> given
> in the following table:
> CONTROL
> No additive
> Fuel Protection Formula
> 0.15625 ml
> Fuel Stabilization Formula
> 0.15625 ml
> Fuel Protection Formula
> and
> Fuel Stabilization Formula
> 0.15625 ml and
> 0.15625 ml
> Additive total = 0.3125
>
> These solutions were placed in flasks and cooled to 10° C in an ice bath.
> The solution in each flask was stirred with a magnetic stirrer while
> distilled water was titrated in. The end point of each titration was
> visually determined upon noting the occurrence of phase separation.
>
>
> Results:
>
> E10 with no additives underwent phase separation with the addition of 0.30
> ml water. In contrast, addition of either the Fuel Protection or Fuel
> Stabilization formulas delayed phase separation until the addition of 0.50
> and 0.49 ml of water, respectively. Finally, the addition of both the Fuel
> Protection and Fuel Stabilization formulas to 50 ml E10 delayed phase
> separation until 0.69 ml water was added.
>
> Discussion:
>
> When used separately, either the Eastwood Fuel Protection Formula or Fuel
> Stabilization Formula increases the amount of water that can be 
> retained in
> solution by E10 gasohol by 66% before phase separation occurs. 
> Furthermore,
> the combination of both additives in E10 increases resistance to phase
> separation by 133 percent; a significantly better result than when either
> product was used alone.
>
> These results demonstrate that the risk of phase separation is reduced 
> when
> these products are used in E10 gasohol. The reason for the increased
> effectiveness of the combination of the two formulas is unclear. Product
> information available to the consumer states that both additives contain
> exactly the same chemical ingredients: napthenic oil, hydroethylated
> aminoethylamide, and petroleum naptha. The proportions of these 
> ingredients
> in the different products are not given (nor were they provided to me
> despite a direct request to Eastwood). It is possible that the advantage
> derived from combining the Fuel Protection and Fuel Stabilization formulas
> represented a mere doubling of the ingredients rather than some other
> enhancement derived from combining the two products.
>
> Conclusions:
>
> Eastwood Ethanol Fuel Protection and Fuel Stabilization formulas
> significantly increase E10 gasohol resistance to phase separation and
> decrease the probability that phase separation will occur in the fuel tank
> of stored vehicles.
>
> Epilogue:
>
> Given the results of the foregoing experiment, I will incorporate the fuel
> additives into the gasohol that goes into my HMVs. The additive¹s cost 
> will
> be insignificant compared to the cost of repairs that could result 
> from the
> use of E10. In addition, tanks of fuel last a long time in my historic
> military vehicles and thus increases the risk of gasohol related problems,
> so I have decided to keep a minimal amount of fuel in their tanks so that
> the fuel is replenished frequently with new fuel and the
> now-proven-effective anti-alcohol additives. The fuel additives worked in
> the lab, so they should work in the tank.
> Results:
>
> E10 with no additives underwent phase separation with the addition of 0.30
> ml water. In contrast, addition of either the Fuel Protection or Fuel
> Stabilization formulas delayed phase separation until the addition of 0.50
> and 0.49 ml of water, respectively. Finally, the addition of both the Fuel
> Protection and Fuel Stabilization formulas to 50 ml E10 delayed phase
> separation until 0.69 ml water was added.
>
> Comments
> . Steve Beurkens
> Grand Rapids, Michigan
>
> Great news. I have been using Stabil in my 1973 Triumph TR6 for the 
> past 15
> winters. The car is stored from mid-October until the snow/salt is
> gone...usually the first week of April. I have NEVER had a starting 
> problem
> in the spring...1 turn of the key and away we go! I have great faith 
> in fuel
> stabilizers, so it's nice to know that faith is scientifically founded!
>
> . Paul Aruda
> Cedar Hill TX.
>
> I use a product called Sea Foam and it has worked very will in my cars. I
> put it in every 3-4000 miles. Ethanol is not a good product for any of our
> cars. It may help the farmer but not our cars. Paul Aruda
>
> . landis aden
> mesa, az
>
> How about high temps like here in AZ? any studies done on that? Also, 
> folks
> have claimed that marvel mystery oil can do much the same any research on
> that thx
>
> . Brian R Adams
> Reno, NV
>
> It seems likely the two products are largely the same, and all you did was
> double up the dosage. Presumably this will do no harm. Why didn't you run
> the same experiment using only a double-dose of either one of the products
> to prove they are equivalent? Why couldn't someone set up a sort of 
> settling
> still, where on could add water to E10 until phase separation occurs, then
> drain the ethanol/water out the bottom, leaving 99+% gasoline behind?
>
> . Alex
> Seattle, WA
>
> Better than additives, why not get ethanol free gasoline? pure-gas.org 
> is a
> website that list stations selling ethanol free gas
>
> . Rocky Faulconer
> Yakima, WA 98902
>
> There are so many fuel stabilization additives out on the market from
> sta-bil Eastwood, and many more. Eastwood is a mail order thing for us and
> freight is costly - and just remembering to order it is hard. Does 
> Benjamin
> have a suggestion for a fuel stabilizer that is more common and easyer to
> get at the local part store? like sta-bil Rocky
>
> . Todd
> VA
>
> Good article!
>
> . Ron Maurer
> Iowa
>
> I run an auto repair shop and occasionally I see older cars that have been
> stored for years and won¹t run. I will end up with the carburetor apart &
> cleaning & the fuel tank off and cleaning. I have found all the ones I 
> have
> seen with bad problems had Sta-Bil fuel preservative and E-10 fuel (90% of
> the fuel sold in Iowa) and have been stored for several years. The tanks
> look like they have a growth in them. I have seen Microbial growth in 
> Diesel
> fuel tanks and it may be somewhat similar but different. I had to 
> throw some
> tanks away. I had a Dodge with a plastic fuel tank that the brass float on
> the gas gauge sender was ate away. Draw your own conclusions. I have been
> storing my Grand Prix for the winter for 25 years and put it away with 
> very
> little fuel and NO additive and have never had a problem. When I drive 
> it in
> the summer I add only enough fuel that I think I will use for the day in
> order to keep the fuel fresh. Ron Maurer ASE Master Tech
>
> . bluen0te
> Ct.
>
> I'm wondering if the writer has any connection to Eastwood. I'd feel a lot
> stronger about these results if a few more products such as Startron and
> Staybil had been mentioned in the test.
>
> . Roger Sitterly
> Des Moines, Iowa
>
> It would have been nice if he'd tested the combination of "fuel 
> protection"
> and "fuel stabilization" formulas against 10% gasohol with .3125 ml of 
> "fuel
> protection" in it and against 10% gasohol with .3125 ml of "fuel
> stabilization" in it. If he found that doubling the quantity of just one
> product in the gasohol delayed phase separation until 0.69 ml of water
> content, that would be useful knowledge for those of us concerned 
> about the
> deleterious effects of using E10 fuel in our older vehicles. Has 
> anyone done
> any similar tests with other fuel stabilization products on the market 
> (ie,
> Stabil, which I use in my lawn mower over the winter and my snow blower
> during the summer)?
>
> . J.L. Hamilton
> TEXAS
>
> Wish the test had used some of the more readily available products like
> Sta-Bil or Phazer. Eastwood products have to be ordered from the 
> catalog or
> internet to get them in most of the country.
>
> . D Yaros
> United States
>
> For more info on the effects of E10 in collector cars, see the Nov 2011
> issue of Car Collector Chronicles, found online at
> http://www.scribd.com/people/view/7936333-dave
>
> . Brian tremblay
> British Columbia, Canada
>
> I've seen the effects of ehanol gasolines on related fuel parts ie; rubber
> lines, aluminium components but what about aluminium gas tanks that 
> alot of
> car builders are getting for their hobby these days?
>
> . JR.
> Greenwich NY.
>
> How about testing "Sta-Bil" fuel additive? It is much more readily 
> available
> to the consumer as they can pick it up at any auto parts and hardware
> stores. I also have a big jug on my shelf, have had no bad effects in the
> past, and was wondering if it was due to this product. Thanks, JR.
>
> . Bob Foster
> Bishop, GA
>
> All good information. There should have been a cost per tank or cost per
> gallon for the use of the additives included in the report. I guess I 
> could
> go to Eastwood and do the cost analysis myself.
>
> . Rudy Pyrek
> Warren, Michigan
>
> While I find this report most helpful, I can't stop thinking that a better
> solution to would be to offer classic vehicle owners "real" 100% 
> gasoline. I
> know that in every state there are several stations that still have access
> to this product. Ref. web-site (pure-gas.org). Not only would it eliminate
> this problem, it would also increase mileage by nearly 50%. I know this is
> true through my own records on my 2004 Buick Le Sabre with a 3800 v-6 
> engine
> (Auto-trans.) My milage has dropped from: 31mpg hwy. to 25mpg. And 25mpg
> city to 18mpg. Who's fooling who! Ethenol isn't making less dependant on
> foreign oil, it's just made us increase our use. In the long run, foreign
> oil and subsidized corn growing farmers get rich and we ,the consumers 
> take
> a bath again! I am sure that new technologies would increase milage in
> gasoline engines to a point where foreign oil dependency would not be an
> issue. Thank you for letting me vent.
>
> . C J Davis
> Central Michigan
>
> After reading this article I would surmise that a good way to help 
> save your
> fuel tank would be to litterally run your vehicle out of fuel, prior to
> putting it away for any extended period of time. [winter in the northern
> areas].
>
> . John Engfehr
> Wyandotte
>
> I'm a retired engineer who tested fuels and oils for many years. I could
> write a book on the adverse effects of ethanol on engines. The real 
> problem
> is during combustion where it forms acid in the combustion chamber and
> etches the bore and rings. It degrades oil as it gets wiped into the
> crankcase and can lead to extreme wear throughout the engine. It was only
> approved by automakers because it gave them fuel economy "credits" (CAFE
> credits) with the EPA that allowed them to sell more high end vehicles
> (profit). It is not safe to use in any engine in amounts over 15%. Oil
> change intervals must be shortened from 5000 miles to 3000 or less with
> ethanol use. There is big money pushing to hide the facts and ignore the
> long term implications.
>
> . David Allison
> St Simons Island
>
> There is a simpler way for those of us near marinas and ports.Marine 
> gas is
> offered at the marinas and in the last year or two several local gas
> stations have installed "Marine pumps" I have used this gas in my historic
> vehicles and can sleep soundly with no worries of H2o sneaking into my 
> tanks
> as this fuel is alchohol free. Check with the major fuel distributors in
> your area to find this friendlier fuel in your area.
>
> . S Mcnutt
> indiana
>
> Nice to see a correctly done scientific evaluation.
>
> . Arlene Walker
> Pasadena, Maryland
>
> I have a 1982 Corvette which I rarely drive. I usually keep a full tank of
> gas in it and occasionally use a fuel additive, so if I understand the
> article correctly should I only leave a small amount of gas in the 
> tank over
> the winter? I was always told to fill the tank so condensation does not
> form. Any advice?
>
> . Eric White
> Lapeer, MI
>
> Very informative test. My question to Mr. Kellogg is, if the two additives
> are chemically identical, why didn't he continue with his testing to
> determine if doubling the dose of each additive on its own resulted in the
> same increase of water retention as the combined effect revealed? Also, if
> doubling the dose resulted in increased retention of water in E10, would
> increasing the dosage continue to increase the effect? At what point would
> increased dosage become ineffective?
>
> . Ernie
> Atl. Ga
>
> An increase in the water content of fuel also decreases the effective 
> octane
> in the fuel, so, care should be taken on higher compression engines 
> that are
> close to the verge of octane requirements.
>
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