Re: [Chrysler300] Whoa, Nelly!
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Re: [Chrysler300] Whoa, Nelly!





Folks

In July or August of 1972 I went into a junkyard "office" in Deer Park, LI‎. (Long Island Ave in Deer Park was a the "Miracle Mile" for junkyards on LI in those days). I was looking for a part for the 300K convert we had just bought for $600 (360hp car, white, black leather, no clue where it is now). Once the counter guy learned what the car "in need" was, he immediately brought up the "New Jersey Turnpike Pursuit Vehicles".  I had never heard of these seemingly mythical entities but his regaling on these cars was completely convincing and this current thread brought that back to me. 

Too bad "Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf" isn't still around as his Dad was the long term head of the NJ State Police (and was in charge when the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped) and could have no doubt weighed in on this.

Keith


From: 'Don Warnaar' 300country@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 7:20 PM
To: Michael Moore
Reply To: Don Warnaar
Cc: yahoogroups
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Whoa, Nelly!

 



Mike,
 
The NJ Trooper cars may very well had 300 spec. equipment, but were not 300Cs  Definitely NYers and four door.
 
Wouldn't mind having one of them now, but they must have been well used when they got done with them.
 
Don
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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Whoa, Nelly!

Rich,
Back in the the late 90’s, I was working on  a criminal case with the US Attorney and the FBI in Baltimore. I was working very closely the Agents going through tons of paperwork through some long days and nights. One man I got to know well was “Swifty.”  His dad owned a Chrysler agency and was involved  with the New Jersey police cars somehow. He had some letter car parts which he gave me (air filter housings for my H) and a Blue Streak  tire.
Swift freely dropped names like Robert Mitchum and a famous driver’s name I can;t recall at this moment who was big with racing 300’s at the time. Swifty told me he had a bunch of Blue Streak take-offs from the New Jersey cars because they had to be different Blue Streaks and had numbers burned in their. I brought one back and a few years ago gave it away to a museum owned by a member. I recall Swifty telling me that his farm had had all sorts of farm equipment and trailers wearing  Blue Streak tires which were takeoffs. He called me a few years ago and said he had found a new set  in my size and did I want them? I said no (I have to be able to drive my car) and did put him in contact with a club member who is the owner now.
I was convinced NJ State Troopers had 300 letter cars.
Mike Moore


> On May 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I recall that Chrysler was always careful to call this system a “Parking Brake”.  I did use my “Parking Brake” an emergency stop in a ’50 Chrysler Windsor when a brake hose popped—and got away with it at about 20 MPH.  Locked up the big 7.60 x 15’s and avoided a collision.  Parking/Emergency brakes on my other vehicles were not as effective in locking up the rear brakes, but could be applied proportionally to ease to a stop with no trauma to the drivetrain and eventually stop.
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> I also recall reading in MI or somesuch that early Chrysler 300’s were used as pursuit cars on an eastern toll road and only were outrun once—by a big Mercedes Benz.  Pennsylvania TPK or NJ TPK?  I do recall that Iowa Highway Patrol used Chryslers for a while in the late 60’s/early 70’s.  Really cool to see a huge parking lot in Des Moines full of the B&W’s—probably sold through the same Friedman Chrysler-Plymouth dealership that sold J.C. White his Platinum (“white” of course) ’55 C-300 that stoked my fires.  I have seen the Police Special brochure for ’64 Chrysler Newports that had a lot of 300 guts.  Anyone ever seen a real one?
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> Sorry about these snippets from the past.  They all tended to shape and define the mystique of the Beautiful Brutes for me.  Déjà vu, all over again.
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> C300K’ly,
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> Rich Barber
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> Brentwood, CA—heading for 87 today.
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> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray Jones 1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 7:24 AM
> To: John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>; Ryan Hill <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Don Warnaar <300country@xxxxxxx>; Noel Hastalis <cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx>; scooter465@xxxxxxx; swotring <swotring@xxxxxxx>; David Schwandt <finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Dave Dumais <dave.dumais@xxxxxxxxx>; yahoogroups <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Ma Mo <60chev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Bobby Dunn <bdunn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Donald Cole <mr300k@xxxxxxxxx>; Ray Jones <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Whoa, Nelly!
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> As I recall, probably from a MI Mag article, the California Highway Patrol held their road tests for new Cruisers.
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> As much as they wanted them for the power and speed, the Mopars failed due to the Driveshaft E-Brakes.
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> Seemed like when they were jammed on they just snapped the driveshaft or ripped off their mounts, both disabling the cars.
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> If not for that, you  left coasters would have had some awesome CHP cars...
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> Ray
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> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 9:11 AM, 'John Grady' jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Going back to 50’s when I learned to drive , and no park, (stick anyway) part of driving test and instructions prior was to always cut front wheels on a hill so it would jam to curb if it moved. Maybe  Boston thing..have a lot of hills.  My test consisted of parallel parking in a tight single car metered spot on a steep hill in Brighton , stick shift, huge stress on me, ---and failing to cut wheels, set brake  meant flunk. NEW 60 pioneer black hardtop 318 stick. Wish I had it now.
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>> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:52 PM
>> To: 'Ryan Hill'; 'Don Warnaar'; 'Noel Hastalis'; scooter465@xxxxxxx
>> Cc: 'swotring'; 'David Schwandt'; 'Dave Dumais'; 'yahoogroups'; 'Ma Mo'; 'Bobby Dunn'; 'Donald Cole'
>> Subject: [Chrysler300] Whoa, Nelly!
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>> It seems to me that the parking brake may be a little less effective in preventing my cars from rolling backwards.  Perhaps the rear brakes are more self-energizing when rolling forward.  On my vehicles, I really stomp or yank the parking brake pedal or lever when parking on an uphill grade—and I do this before placing the selector in “Park”.  This way, I can get in, stomp the brake pedal, release the parking brake and hope to easily move the selector from “Park” to “Drive” or “Reverse”.  Our little ’86 Chrysler T&C convertible (K-car) is particularly difficult to get out of Park if the proper parking brake process has not been implemented.  I know that some cars have had to get a little tug or push to take the pressure off of the parking pawl.  And with stick shifts, fuggittaboutit unless you have a competition clutch—and don’t count on that.  
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>> Way too many people have been run over by their own vehicles while the vehicle was in “Park” or at least cringed as they saw their car going out on its own to play in traffic or the neighbor’s pool.  Don’t let it happen to you.  Thanks to the members who have shared their horribles.  I’ll add that a farmer friend was run over by his own Ford 3/4T truck as it slipped out of “Park” on its own with the motor running and started backing up.  He attempted to get back in and slipped under the LF tire which cracked his pelvis.  We can and should learn from these shared horribles.
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>> Much too late for a recall on our letter cars, but the problem is applicable to ALL vehicles—new and old.
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>> Rich Barber
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>> Brentwood, CA (Kind of a belt and suspenders sort of guy)
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>> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ryan Hill ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:08 PM
>> To: Don Warnaar <300country@xxxxxxx>; Noel Hastalis <cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx>; scooter465@xxxxxxx
>> Cc: swotring <swotring@xxxxxxx>; David Schwandt <finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Dave Dumais <dave.dumais@xxxxxxxxx>; yahoogroups <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Ma Mo <60chev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Bobby Dunn <bdunn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Donald Cole <mr300k@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Setting the parking brake . 64 300
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>> Agree completely. It baffles me when I see people who should know better, not setting the parking brake before releasing the brake pedal on automatics, particularly on any sort on uneven surface. If you choose to call it an "emergency brake" and make that argument, it might not be much help in an emergency if you never use it and keep it freed up.
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>> Ryan Hill
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>> To: cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx; Scooter465@xxxxxxx
>> CC: swotring@xxxxxxx; finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; dave.dumais@xxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 60chev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; bdunn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; mr300k@xxxxxxxxx
>> From: Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:45:39 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Setting the parking brake . 64 300
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>> On any car, vintage or modern, I always set the parking brake unless on completely level surfaces, such as in my garage.
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>> It really bothers me when I see people shove the car in park and then let it roll a bit until the pawl engages.  Puts too much stress on the pawl.
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>> By using the parking brake regularly, it never corrodes in place to the point where it can't be used.  Of course, with the early 300s with no park position, it must be used.  And even then, as Dave Schwandt said, having a wheel chock handy is a good idea.
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> Ray Jones. Y'all come on down an see us. Ya hear?
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