RE: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs
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RE: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs





Any automotive machine shop that does engine machine work will have an assortment of those plugs.  You cannot install new cam bearings with that plug in place and I'm certain that they would replace them from their own parts stock.
------------MGoodknight
 


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From: "'Richard Vitek' rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 14:06:32 -0400

 

It looks like Summit sells the Melling MEP-14 that should be a disc type 1 5/8 for the block. I'll order a set and find out. Also available in brass. This does not however solve my problem of finding the plug for behind the camshaft that I understand is a Welch plug also. Any leads on that would be appreciated.

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ronald Kurtz mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ray Jones
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs

Thanks, John, for your input.

I installed the plugs several years ago. They are holding up. My '64 Newport was a project car, to be sure my 300E would get the best equipment and parts. I am not going for points. But, I am a believer in doing what is right in my restorations. Can you send me a source where I can get the correct plugs?

Best,
Ron Kurtz
E #292

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On Sat, 10/21/17, John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs
To: "Ronald Kurtz" <mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ray Jones" <1970hurst@gmailcom>
Date: Saturday, October 21, 2017, 8:17 AM

I think to do this right you have
to machine the block to remove the lip the flat stock discs
sit on . Just putting GM style cups in the holes does not
work correctly . They need to go in flush all the way .
Maybe you did this machining? If not they will not grab as
designed .precision size of hole too ?
I am
a big believer in the hot heads aluminum plugs held with a
stainless steel bolt and toggle bolt like strap . This
cannot come out . The bolts from hot heads are slightly too
short aggravating putting them in , unbelievably so , inside
parts can drop into water jacket . You are done for . I had
a bare block got the toggle bar out of top of block. Get 1/4
longer bolts . Made for 392 , may be same size as B , and a
bolt in . The o ring sits on the block lip. Which must be
clean . lost a disc one on first trip on 392 ,huge hassle
you get 2 minutes to boiling in head. very tricky to get
in right with stock , but stock works. A skill issue . No
one does this in 2017, they do not have the experience . But
stock rusts too . On heads maybe cups are a good answer ?
Machining them anyway at a rebuild.
Bottom
line hot heads bolt in plugs end this problem on block.
And can be done without machining . Need to check if 413?and
392 same size . A good machinist can make this too . John G

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> On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Ronald Kurtz
mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Copper cup
plugs are available from Summit Racing . I installed them on
my '64 361.
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Best,
> Rom Kurtz
> E
#292
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> On Fri, 10/20/17, Ray Jones 1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject:
Re: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs
> To:
"Richard Vitek" <rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Intl 300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Ray Jones" <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>
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I used Marine Brass cup plugs.413 is a very popular
> engine, so they should be readily
available, in steal or
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