RE: 1962 413?

[Lupe Anzaldua <gzuslvz@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello,
        I mentioned the 1962 Michigan State Police car because I owned one
back in 1971 that I bought from a local speed shop. I was 17 years old and
mostly into dirt bikes and motocross. I didn't appreciate the old cars like
most kids that age.  Anyway I bought it from the hung over counter attendant
that had won the car & title from a guy the night before in a poker game.
Said he needed to sell it right quickly so I bought it for $500.00. I drove
it home and it smoked a little but it ran pretty good. Once it was home I
found out that it was a 413 with inline dual quads pushbutton automatic 4:11
gears. I was cleaning out the trunk and noticed the State Police Blue color
on the inside of the trunk later I noticed the holes patched on the top from
the gumball and a microphone clip screwed to the dash and a cut microphone
cord hanging from under the dash. The outside of the car was black primer
with brown primer spots here and there. The first thing me and my brother
did was adjusted the carbs and linkage then we changed the plugs and put an
Accel Super Coil in it so it wouldn't foul the spark plugs as quickly. Then
we took it to the drags at Onandaga Drag Strip and I ran it through time
trials 12:90 was the best time and ended up winning the trophy in my class
in modified production because of the dual quads they wouldn't let me run
stock class. Lucky there wasn't a lot of competitors that evening. I do have
a partial picture of that car in one of my photo albums I will look for. I
ended up selling the engine to my cousin who never finished paying me for
the engine. I sold the roller body to fiend that claimed it was his old car
several years back so it wasn't him that had lost it in the card game. 
        This 62 is 4th one that I have owned, three 2dr sedans and a wagon,
this is my first complete restoration, I did 90 % of the body work and
almost of all of the painting along with the stripes. My older brother
helped out financially and with the assembly and some body work labor on
this one, oh and he also restored all of the stainless trim on the car, a
lot of work and 2 1/2 years later its done.  These are my favorite Mopars
and I have learned a lot over the years from friends, magazines, books,
Lansing Community College for all the bodywork and restoration classes and
this club has been an incredible resource for information. Gary H. is one of
my heroes for having this incredible website with so many resources for
these Mopars.  I have been a member for about 8 years now, became a member
right before I bought the 65 Dodge Coronet Salvation Racing car. Thanks Gary
for keeping this website going all these years.       

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:hemirr@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 5:40 PM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 1962 413?


Excellent information Lupe.  And I know Bill Watson will always come through

with some good information for us too.  Whenever members of this group see 
claims about '62-'65 cars, we often debate the possibilities and try to 
figure out things.  We had quite a thread some time ago about a claim of a 
'65 max wedge car for instance.  The question I personally wondered about 
your auction was whether there were factory installed 413 inline 2X4 
engines, or whether they were dealer installed as Mr. Govier said, and 
whether you had documentation or were going by anecdote.  I figured Mr. 
Davis would have an opinion.  I know Mr. Govier has made mistakes, for 
example he had the wrong '62 max radiator part number in earlier editions of

his part number book, and corrected that in later editions.  Of course Mr. 
Davis might make a mistake too.  Lupe you have documentation already and are

going for more, that's great.  The Car Life article described by both you 
and Bill W. seems to imply that they had factory installed engines like 
this, so I wonder if we are still going to have some mystery for now.   Lupe

you said that you believe you have a car with a dealer installed engine.   
Just sifting all these things, I'm not sure that Mr. Davis' reply 
contradicts that, he seems to be saying that there weren't such engines 
factory installed.   With regard to him saying that there were still cars 
being discovered not in his new books, he told me a few months ago that he 
looked at every '62-'65 record, and every max car is listed in his books.  
He seems to reiterate that in his reply I posted.  But it would seem that a 
dealer installed engine is not going to be documented on the card or data 
plate anyway.  So, the key is that you have some hard information on your 
car.  And to me, that makes it a rare, interesting, and authentic car of its

type.  What the heck, I just went to the eBay auction you mentioned and 
bought the magazine, I love collecting stuff like this, especially anything 
about '62's.
     I know it took me several years to reach the point I am now on my car 
with provenence; to begin with I had only the anecdotal information from 
Roland Osborne, first when he published the articles on the car in his 
magazine back in '93, then when I met him in '95 at Rick Allison's shop near

Indy to buy the car from him.  He had no actual documentation of any kind, 
so I reckon I took a chance on it.  I tried to write the son of the guy who 
had been said to have owned it through the '60's and '70's, but got nowhere.

  Next, I got the data plate and VIN decoded by Mr. Govier.  At first I was 
satisfied, then thought what if someone merely put the plate on another car?

  In '62 the VIN wasn't on the data plate of course.  Even though all the 
equipment was there, etc etc I still wondered.  In '99, when I began 
restifying the car, I stripped the engine compartment to bare metal and had 
a chance to look at and photograph the order number stamped into the 
radiator support, and it matched the number on the data plate, so that 
seemed satisfactory to me.  Then I bought Mr. Davis' '62 book and VIN book, 
and found my VIN.  Its the last one for '62 plymouth max cars, which agrees 
with the scheduled production date being the last one listed for '62.  I 
still wish I had been able to make contact with that reported owner's son 
just to get what would probably be some great history on it.
    You mentioned Indiana trooper cars, I had a little experience with one.

I parted out such a '62 back in 1971, which had a 361.  From this car I got 
the big block engine brackets, transmission, and radiator I needed to 
convert my first '62 from a 318 poly to a big block.


Bill & Kathi Parker, South Central Indiana
'60 Chrysler Saratoga kustom; '62 Plymouth Max Wedge; '64 Dart convertible; 
'65 Barracuda \6; '65 Imperial; '68 Barracuda FB 340-S; '69 Barracuda FB now

360; '70 Challenger now 440; '72 Cuda '340

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