RE: 1962 413?

[Bill <hemirr@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Excellent information Lupe.  And I know Bill Watson will always come through 
with some good information for us too.  Whenever members of this group see 
claims about '62-'65 cars, we often debate the possibilities and try to 
figure out things.  We had quite a thread some time ago about a claim of a 
'65 max wedge car for instance.  The question I personally wondered about 
your auction was whether there were factory installed 413 inline 2X4 
engines, or whether they were dealer installed as Mr. Govier said, and 
whether you had documentation or were going by anecdote.  I figured Mr. 
Davis would have an opinion.  I know Mr. Govier has made mistakes, for 
example he had the wrong '62 max radiator part number in earlier editions of 
his part number book, and corrected that in later editions.  Of course Mr. 
Davis might make a mistake too.  Lupe you have documentation already and are 
going for more, that's great.  The Car Life article described by both you 
and Bill W. seems to imply that they had factory installed engines like 
this, so I wonder if we are still going to have some mystery for now.   Lupe 
you said that you believe you have a car with a dealer installed engine.   
Just sifting all these things, I'm not sure that Mr. Davis' reply 
contradicts that, he seems to be saying that there weren't such engines 
factory installed.   With regard to him saying that there were still cars 
being discovered not in his new books, he told me a few months ago that he 
looked at every '62-'65 record, and every max car is listed in his books.  
He seems to reiterate that in his reply I posted.  But it would seem that a 
dealer installed engine is not going to be documented on the card or data 
plate anyway.  So, the key is that you have some hard information on your 
car.  And to me, that makes it a rare, interesting, and authentic car of its 
type.  What the heck, I just went to the eBay auction you mentioned and 
bought the magazine, I love collecting stuff like this, especially anything 
about '62's.
    I know it took me several years to reach the point I am now on my car 
with provenence; to begin with I had only the anecdotal information from 
Roland Osborne, first when he published the articles on the car in his 
magazine back in '93, then when I met him in '95 at Rick Allison's shop near 
Indy to buy the car from him.  He had no actual documentation of any kind, 
so I reckon I took a chance on it.  I tried to write the son of the guy who 
had been said to have owned it through the '60's and '70's, but got nowhere. 
 Next, I got the data plate and VIN decoded by Mr. Govier.  At first I was 
satisfied, then thought what if someone merely put the plate on another car? 
 In '62 the VIN wasn't on the data plate of course.  Even though all the 
equipment was there, etc etc I still wondered.  In '99, when I began 
restifying the car, I stripped the engine compartment to bare metal and had 
a chance to look at and photograph the order number stamped into the 
radiator support, and it matched the number on the data plate, so that 
seemed satisfactory to me.  Then I bought Mr. Davis' '62 book and VIN book, 
and found my VIN.  Its the last one for '62 plymouth max cars, which agrees 
with the scheduled production date being the last one listed for '62.  I 
still wish I had been able to make contact with that reported owner's son 
just to get what would probably be some great history on it.
   You mentioned Indiana trooper cars, I had a little experience with one.  
I parted out such a '62 back in 1971, which had a 361.  From this car I got 
the big block engine brackets, transmission, and radiator I needed to 
convert my first '62 from a 318 poly to a big block.


Bill & Kathi Parker, South Central Indiana
'60 Chrysler Saratoga kustom; '62 Plymouth Max Wedge; '64 Dart convertible; 
'65 Barracuda \6; '65 Imperial; '68 Barracuda FB 340-S; '69 Barracuda FB now 
360; '70 Challenger now 440; '72 Cuda '340

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