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frwl
Posted 2020-02-14 4:02 PM (#594264 - in reply to #555178)
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Unfortunately the picture only. No info about the car.
It’s interesting for myself…
And another picture of ’56 DeSoto, if you need. Bad to see, but probably SG4 car too. No info about this car too…





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Posted 2020-02-14 4:23 PM (#594265 - in reply to #594264)
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Thanks, first big car with M8 = 3.
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Posted 2020-02-14 4:29 PM (#594267 - in reply to #555178)
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Do you have a data plate (or info like in your table) of cars with manual trans?
Can you show me a full row for A/C cars in your table? (highlighted in yellow)





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Posted 2020-02-15 12:18 PM (#594312 - in reply to #594267)
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De Soto https://desoto.org/community/discussion/new-desoto-owner-with-questi...

SG 4
M5 2
M6 2
M8 4
M9 3

SCHED 1011
NO 4015
MODEL S23
BT 026
PT 411
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Posted 2020-02-15 12:23 PM (#594313 - in reply to #594267)
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frwl - 2020-02-14 10:29 PM

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Do you have a data plate (or info like in your table) of cars with manual trans?
Can you show me a full row for A/C cars in your table? (highlighted in yellow)



sorry, no info about the manual trans

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56D500boy
Posted 2020-02-15 2:08 PM (#594315 - in reply to #594313)
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sorry, no info about the manual trans


I am in contact with two people with real D500-1 "race" cars, i.e. heavy duty chassis, 5.5 x 5 hubs and real Imperial brakes and manual transmissions (with overdrive). I have seen both of the IBM cards and can confirm that their transmission code is "2" as in 332 on the IBM card. I think that "1" as in 331 = 3 spd manual but no over drive.

The problem is both of these D500-1s are Detroit cars, i.e. VIN 35......, and therefore their cowl data tag is different than the LA tags that you two (Igor and Robert) seem to have found the most.

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Posted 2020-02-15 4:08 PM (#594321 - in reply to #555178)
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Thank you Robert, I got your excel table.
Are you sure 100% about this Plymouth (row#14) has equipped with A/C?
I have a picture of cowl tag of this car (see picture below), but no info about equipment…

Some correction to DeSoto in row# 16:
You forgot to note Power Seat in «other option» column;
Sched No. 0227 must be 4028 instead 4026 in «info» column (see picture below)
That is a question: Power Seat option is not stamped on the cowl tag…




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Posted 2020-02-15 4:26 PM (#594323 - in reply to #555178)
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Robert:
A well equipped DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman to your «collection»…
Of course with cowl tag and serial number pictured…

Power Steering
Power Brakes
Power Windows
Power Seat
Heater
Air Conditioning
5 Push Button Radio with Rear Shelf Speaker (bad to see behind rear seat on the picture# 4)
Dual Rear Antennas
Solex Glass at all window areas plus Windshield Upper Molding
Dual Clock – on the dash panel and in the steering wheel hub
Dual Outside Rear View Mirrors and Inside One
Kelsey Hayes Wire Wheels, etc…

The pictures says for itself…




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Posted 2020-02-15 4:42 PM (#594325 - in reply to #594323)
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Igor and Robert: To be clear, that beautiful Desoto (some woman must have picked the colours, etc), did *NOT* leave the factory with Air Conditioning. The A/C compressor and air distribution system (hanging under the dash) are NOT OE. Makes me wonder what else was/is NOT OE.

Look behind the steering wheel.



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RDP
Posted 2020-02-15 4:55 PM (#594326 - in reply to #555178)
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thanks, I corrected mistakes



frwl - 2020-02-15 10:08 PM

.Are you sure 100% about this Plymouth (row#14) has equipped with A/C?
I have a picture of cowl tag of this car (see picture below), but no info about equipment…



I'm not sure. it's a Daryl car, you can ask him

dludvik76 - 2019-01-28 5:18 PM

Right now, I only know it's a v8 auto car, AC, NO PS. I'm picking it up in a couple of weeks and doing some pre-research. You guys are correct, it is a white / pine green car as well.



Beautiful De Soto, I'll add to the list
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Posted 2020-02-15 4:59 PM (#594327 - in reply to #594325)
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Igor and Robert: To be clear, that beautiful Desoto (some woman must have picked the colours, etc), did *NOT* leave the factory with Air Conditioning.




you're right, Dave
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frwl
Posted 2020-04-03 5:58 PM (#596409 - in reply to #555178)
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I looking in old thread and found this:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23448&...

The man who bought Golden Royal Lancer describes his car:

«It has no radio, thus a radio delete plate, no power steering or no power brakes. Does have a heater/defroster and that is about it.»
«It is indeed the powerflite 2 speed automatic.»

So, let’s see to the attached picture of the cowl tag: SG=1, M2=4 and M8=3 (see picture below)
We are discussed above SG=1 (Solex Glass) and guessed that M8=3 (Powerflite)…
Maybe M2=4 is a Heater? I compared 4 to 1956 Plymouth Codes sheet… The Heater has code 354!!!

I do scroll down this tread and found another else Golden Lancer cowl tag: SG=1, M2=4 and M8=3 (M9=3 too)
Again: No PS, no PB, but it has Tinted Glass (SG=1), Powerflite (M8=3) and Heater… M2=4

Take a closer look to Dave’s cowl tag: SG=1, M1=8, and M2=empty; and South Carolina cowl tag: SG=1, M1=7, and M2=empty
Both cars have heaters, but M2 is empty: they should be M2=4. But Dave’s car has three accessory groups, one of these (Basic) includes a heater. It has power steering and power brakes also, as a South Carolina car. So, maybe M1=8 means PS, PB, and three accessory groups, and maybe M1=7 means PS, PB, and two accessory group (one of these should be Basic)

I am continuing and now… Kelly’s (aka Rusty Fender) cowl tag: SG=1, M1=5, M2=4 and M8=3 (M9=8 too)
I have no photo of engine bay, but I think the heater is present: M2=4. Now about M1=5 (Any accessory group, as I guessing above): Why do they stamping M2=4, if Accessory Groups M1=5 are present?
Answer is simply: The car has accessory group (or groups) but not including a BASIC group with Heater… It has Convenience or Appearance group.

Thus, if this is not PS and PB car – column M1 is empty
M1=empty and M2=4 is a heater only
M1=5 and M2=4 is a Convenience or Appearance Group singly or both and Heater (no Basic Group)
M1=7 and no M2 is a Basic Group and one of two: Convenience or Appearance
M1=8 and no M2 is a Basic Group, Convenience Group and Appearance Group

By the way: M1=7 and M1=8 cars have equipped with PS and PB both
M1=5 – hard to see, although on the steering wheel in the cabin picture, just on the right to Dodge badge we can see a Power Steering script… so my theory is confirms. Anyway: need to see a picture of the engine bay…




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Posted 2020-04-03 6:41 PM (#596410 - in reply to #596409)
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Igor: I will need to take some time to digest what you said.

In the meantime, I need to add that the SC 56 D500 Custom Royal Sedan (twin to mine, including colours and LA build) differs from mine on one important thing: it has Air Con.

Not sure what that does to your interpretation but there it is.

Good luck






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RDP
Posted 2020-04-04 4:14 AM (#596422 - in reply to #555178)
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Igor, if your theory works, it should be assumed that the cars from columns 8 and 11 do not have PB and PS?
It doesn't seem to work for Plymouth



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Posted 2020-04-04 5:52 AM (#596423 - in reply to #555178)
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Dave: since 1953 and until 1958 model year, Heater and Air Conditioning options had separate columns in the cowl tag. I don’t know why, maybe because AC was a separate unit which located in the trunk. At least it is correctly with reference to Chrysler cars. It sounds absurd, but the presence of heater not affects the presence AC. Just since 1958, the heater and AC option have united in single column and have had codes 341, 342, 343, 344 and 345.

Yes, South Carolina car has AC and it may be stamped in the M1=7 column. But your car has M1=8 (PS, PB and all Accessory Groups) while SC car has M1=7 (same options like your car plus AC) it is not logically. It should be M1=9, at least because AC has code 369 in the ’56 Plymouth sheet… It might be stamped in the M3=7 column, not in the M1=7. And, are you sure that SC car has FACTORY installed AC? Could the AC and rear seat speaker have been installed in the FACTORY together?

Robert: the cars that have empty M1 column do not have PS and PB
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Posted 2020-04-04 8:21 AM (#596426 - in reply to #596423)
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Ok, I get it now. PB+PS+AG it makes sense, but how about it:
I think the same scheme should be used for all brands. Not only Dodge. Am I right or wrong?
So, standard equipment probably doesn't appear on the plate. I marked the stantard eq. in the table (s).
New Yorkers have PB as standard, so M1 is empty. Windsor M1=1 (PB+PS). But PS in NY is not a standard.
There is another situation in DeSotos. All cars have M1 empty. But most have PB, some cars PS.



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Posted 2020-04-04 9:40 AM (#596428 - in reply to #555178)
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I understood what you are talking about. I don’t know exactly – this is just my guessing based on first picture I posted, where M2=4 and M8=3 and further confirming by next pictures (options). The one thing is important: standard ’56 Dodge equipped with tinted glass, heater and automatic transmission only, has SG=1, M2=4 and M8=3 codes – these facts stated by his owner. No PS and PB. This is the starting point for determining further options for decoding other cars.

I am just assuming, that M1 column is an Accessory Groups Code, because cars equipped with heaters and having an empty M2 column may have a group of accessories where it is (heater) already included.

Maybe the column M1 is not show PS and PB at all. With reference to Chrysler models – it maybe focus contains in the next codes: M3=5, M5=1 or M5=2 – I don’t know. Same situation with DeSoto. Anyway: need more pictures of LA-built cowl tags…
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Posted 2020-04-09 2:51 PM (#596631 - in reply to #555178)
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another NY

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Chrysler-New-Yorker/223972433883?hash=...

oops I see that Igor found it too

SG=5, M3=5, M8=4 just like in a Dieter's car. Only M9 is different

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Posted 2020-04-09 6:36 PM (#596633 - in reply to #555178)
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So, if I have seen correctly:
Schedule 0502 0201 – May 02, 1956
Mode C72 – New Yorker
Body Type 045 = New Yorker 4 Door Sedan
Paint – Cloud White (code 41)
Trim – Black Nylon and Turquoise Brocatelle (Code 49) – non-leather interior

That’s true Robert – it is like a Dieter’s car.
So, what they have in common except body type, paint scheme and trim material:

Arrived car: SG=5, M3=5, M8=4, M9=3
Dieter’s car: SG=5, M3=5, M8=4, M9=8

Power Steering – both have
Power Brakes – both have
Heater – both have
6 Button Radio – both have
Antenna – both have
Rear Seat Speaker – ???
Solex Glass throughout – both have
Sun Cap Visor above Windshield – both have
Windshield Washer – Dieter’s car only
Left Outside Mirror – both have
Right Outside Mirror – probably non-factory item on the arrived car
Inside Mirror – not seen on the Dieter’s car… arrived car only

So, what the difference between these cars?
Dave, Robert, Nathan… any ideas by your opinion?

Something wrong with the antenna in this car… Maybe it is optional EXTRA LONG antenna?
If just assuming that M9 column means different combinations of the RADIO – ANTENNA – REAR SEAT SPEAKER:

Radios: 6 Button or 5 Button
Aerials: Manual, Extra Long, Dual or Power assisted
Rear Seat Speaker: Yes or No





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Posted 2020-04-15 2:37 PM (#596875 - in reply to #555178)
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Posted 2020-05-07 5:50 PM (#597913 - in reply to #555178)
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Found this 1956 Dodge cowl tag picture here…

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47333&...

SG=1
M1=8
M2=4
M8=3
M9=4

Model D631 – Coronet
Looks like Coronet Lancer Hardtop Coupe with V8 engine (Body 816)
Couldn’t see a Paint Code…
It has Deluxe Black Trim (Code 531)





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Posted 2020-05-13 8:48 AM (#598185 - in reply to #555178)
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This is a cowl tag picture of LA-build 1958 Coronet found here:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47333&...

D500neil interpreted code M5=1 as Left Outside Rear View Mirror option (code 401 in 1958)
Dave, your car has M5=2 option on the cowl tag;
According to your 1955 Dodge codes spreadsheet, it might be LH Mirror too – code 402 (and probably in 1956)
Robert’s Windsor Nassau does not have left mirror, but prismatic – does, and his cowl tag says M5=1 (code 401 in the spreadsheet)
What do you think?




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Posted 2020-05-13 10:27 AM (#598190 - in reply to #555178)
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His car also had power brakes, power steering, torqueflite, e-brake light, padded dash, heater, solex glass? & maybe deluxe interior. All of that just left off the data tag?
My '58 Coronet also has a lone M5=1, and it had left mirror, power steering, torqueflite, radio, heater, solex glass & deluxe interior.
Of all the options there why code just the mirror? But in comparing my car with his, we both have the same lousy information on the tag, but we have very different options on our cars, so it is obvious that LA tags in '58 became quite useless in determining what options the car has.

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Posted 2020-05-13 11:08 AM (#598192 - in reply to #555178)
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Hi Nathan! And what do you think about this:
The Spring Special 1958 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73762&...

M3=5, M4=3 and M5=1

Maybe M3=5 means spring special package? (Like on the Detroit-built Regal Lancers tag first number «5» in the paint code: 5XSX, 5SXS or 5SAS…)
While a M4=3 means Dual Antennas (code 333)?
Any thoughts?




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Posted 2020-05-13 2:25 PM (#598217 - in reply to #598185)
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frwl - 2020-05-13 2:48 PM


Robert’s Windsor Nassau does not have left mirror, but prismatic – does, and his cowl tag says M5=1 (code 401 in the spreadsheet)



Ok, says M5=1, but not 401 on the sheet
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Posted 2020-05-14 8:19 AM (#598249 - in reply to #555178)
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Robert: You are not alone
Cowl tag shows SG=3, while build sheet shows 7 (Solex Glass Code 467)




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Posted 2020-05-14 12:31 PM (#598255 - in reply to #555178)
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it doesn't make sense, but it's interesting
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