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22mafeja
Posted 2020-03-06 3:04 AM (#595292)
Subject: Empty Build Sheets?Code questions des 58


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I got my Copy from Chrysler...fantastic service...
The problem is that I can`t read all rows.
Has anybody empty sheets or can anybody send a GOOD photo of a legible one to my email address so I can decode the last digits.
The car is a Desoto 1958.

These codes are not familiar to me:

431 - IPSC
531 - TIRES
544 - TIRES
562 - NCS

Explanation of the codes above would be appreciated.
In the upper left corner of the Build Sheet it says: ...CODE and a 6 above the text...I wonder what the word in front of code might be..

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frwl
Posted 2020-03-06 7:37 PM (#595332 - in reply to #595292)
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Hello Ralf. Here what I found:
431 = Safety Cushion Padded Instrument Panel (Standard on Adventurer, optional for $13.50 on all other series)
562 = New Car Service (Vehicle Preparation)

Tires = 14 (last digit of 531 and 544 columns) – no info about Code 14, but code 15 is a:
15 = 8.50 x 14 White Side Wall Rayon Tires (set of 5)

I posted a picture of 1958 Adventurer Convertible Build Sheet below
The text below number 6 in the left top corner says «CARD CODE» = no idea, what does it mean…
Looks like your car was built in Warren Avenue at Dearborn, Michigan plant – last year for 1958 DeSoto production, before it moving to Jefferson Plant







(Adventurer Convertible Build Sheet.JPG)



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frwl
Posted 2020-03-06 7:50 PM (#595333 - in reply to #595292)
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Correction: Page 3 of 1958 Plymouth Dealer Order Sheets, that locations here…

http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/58PlymouthOrderSheets.h...

Says that Tires Code 13 is 8.00 x 14 White Side Wall Tires
So, I guess Code 14 might be decoding as 8.50 x 14 BLACK Side Wall Tires

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Posted 2020-03-06 7:52 PM (#595335 - in reply to #595292)
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Link does not work. Try this...

http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/58PlymouthOrderSheets.h...
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22mafeja
Posted 2020-03-06 9:18 PM (#595338 - in reply to #595335)
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Thank you for this piece of information!
I guess the " CARD CODE 6" tells only that it is card version 6...
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Posted 2020-03-06 9:27 PM (#595339 - in reply to #595335)
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Link does not work. Try this...
http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/58PlymouthOrderSheets.h...


Igor: That link works great. Now where is the link to the 56 Dodge Order Sheets??

(I'm kidding - but I really do wish somebody had 56 Dodge order sheets that they could/would post up).



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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-01 2:49 AM (#596322 - in reply to #595292)
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I can`t believe nobody has an empty broadcast sheet or a really good one from a car (has to be Detroit desoto 1958)?
Since mine is really faint I would "paintshop" a sheet and fill in my data. This would be just for me and others in the same situation , I would not get any money from this.
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frwl
Posted 2020-04-03 4:39 AM (#596379 - in reply to #595292)
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Hello Ralf.

I have choose a couple most readable pictures
Hope it maybe helps you…

I have same sample of picture that I posted above (58 Adventurer Convertible), but it has high resolution (399 kB)
I cannot post it here…





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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-03 10:36 AM (#596390 - in reply to #596379)
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Thank you Igor , but it would have to be either an empty IBM card (if there is in the whole world , is there?) or an original min. 1 Mega picture of a perfecty sharp and flawless
card. From that it would be possible to start.
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wizard
Posted 2020-04-03 1:03 PM (#596399 - in reply to #595292)
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Ralf all depends on what you would like to do and what you could accept.

I made a template for the IBM cards 1960 and 1961. This template is made in Microsoft Excel.



(IBM-rez.png)



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-04-03 1:06 PM (#596401 - in reply to #595292)
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Could you email me a copy of that excel file Sven? I would like to modify it to use with '57 Chryslers.
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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-03 1:36 PM (#596403 - in reply to #596399)
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Yes Sven , that looks nice. You have surely spent some time with your laptop before that was done. I would like to make something like that for a Desoto 1958.
Could you possibly sent a link to the file? That would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted 2020-04-03 3:19 PM (#596406 - in reply to #595333)
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frwl - 2020-03-06 7:50 PM

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Correction: Page 3 of 1958 Plymouth Dealer Order Sheets, that locations here…

http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/58PlymouthOrderSheets.h...

Says that Tires Code 13 is 8.00 x 14 White Side Wall Tires
So, I guess Code 14 might be decoding as 8.50 x 14 BLACK Side Wall Tires

:)


Yes. 14 is 5 Rayon Blackwall 8.50 X 14 tires

Greg
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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-06 12:47 PM (#596504 - in reply to #595292)
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My IBM card has a couple of cells which are impossible to read. It is the second row , cell between BODY and PAINT and two cells between ACC and TOP.
Some assistance would be appreciated...
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Posted 2020-04-07 1:44 PM (#596549 - in reply to #595292)
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There is a «STYLE» located between «BODY» and «PAINT». It means Paint combos:

1 = Single Paint
2 = Two Tone Paint – Standard
3 = Two Tone Paint – Special
4 = Two Tone Paint – Deluxe
9 = probably a Spring Special Paint

1_AAA = Black Roof – Black Body – Black Insert
2_XAX= White Roof – Black Body – Black Insert
3_AAX = Black Roof – Black Body – White Insert
4_XAA = White Roof – Black Body – White Insert

The first cell between «ACC» and «TOP» is a «CUSTOM TRIM» and second, probably «GLAMOUR GROUP» (hard to see)
But the codes in order in that part of the build sheet:

311 = Accessory Group No. 1
312 = Accessory Group No. 2
313 = Accessory Group No. 3
314 = Spring Special Package
316 = Glamour Group No. 6
317 = Glamour Group No. 7
319 = Custom Trim Package
321 = Convertible Top Color – Black
322 = Convertible Top Color – White
323 = Convertible Top Color – Blue
324 = Convertible Top Color – Green
327 = Rear Seat Speaker
331 = Manual Antenna
333 = Dual Manual Antennas
334 = Power Antenna
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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-07 3:28 PM (#596555 - in reply to #596549)
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Thanks Igor , that was helpful.
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Posted 2020-04-08 3:29 AM (#596575 - in reply to #595292)
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Forgot to add:

STYLE (ST) also shown on the cowl tag, between BDY (BODY) and PNT (PAINT)
AG (ACCESSORY GROUP) and GG (GLAMOUR GROUP) shown below as well…





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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-08 6:57 AM (#596577 - in reply to #596575)
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I think you happened to write wrong about the paint combos. I have XHX which is white roof-seacoast aqua body-white insert.
That would make it a 2 as combo digit. But there is nothing under ST on the body plate on my car. Seems like that wasn`t always stamped.

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frwl
Posted 2020-04-08 8:10 AM (#596580 - in reply to #595292)
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It seems so…


Thanks for the correction
I found the picture of the cowl tag, where ST=8, but the paint scheme is monotone black (AAA)!!!
So, what is it?

By the way this car has rare manual transmission (code TR=1) in right upper corner of the tag…





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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-10 4:23 AM (#596644 - in reply to #596580)
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This is what I have done. Not by far perfect but at least I could fill in all data from the original IBM card. Puh ...this was not easy...for me .



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wizard
Posted 2020-04-10 5:34 AM (#596645 - in reply to #595292)
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That's nice Ralf - good work!
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sermey
Posted 2020-04-10 10:30 AM (#596647 - in reply to #596644)
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This Link, Ralf, may be helpful for you to create your own template. Scan your Original as reference in the background. All done in Photoshop.

Good Luck  - SERGE -      

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23691&start=212

Another question: Why the link doesn't appear "red"?



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56D500boy
Posted 2020-04-10 10:55 AM (#596649 - in reply to #596647)
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http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23691&...

Another question: Why the link doesn't appear "red"?


I'm not sure how you are posting Serge but when I quote you I see way too much html formatting (which is unnecessary here)

All I know is when I post links, all I need to do to turn the links "hot" is place my cursor at the end of the link and hit ENTER and go down to the next line.

That is what I did above (after removing all the un-wanted html BS).



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sermey
Posted 2020-04-10 11:21 AM (#596650 - in reply to #596649)
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Thank you Dave. Now I just copied the link on the upper bar (Ctrl C) and then paste it here (Ctrl V)... same . . . .

Should be somewhat more intelligent?!?!  - SERGE-

 

 

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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-10 12:27 PM (#596652 - in reply to #596647)
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Fantastic thread Serge , I get humble when I admire that car , your craftmanship and detailing skills! Oustanding...
The problem is I haven`t ever seen a 1958 detroit desoto (firedome or fireflite) sheet in decent condition. What I have done is a template anyone may change or improve for themself.
I have not even tried to get it 100% right , I accepted that wasn`t possible with my (lack of ) Excel skills.
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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-11 1:24 PM (#596679 - in reply to #596644)
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Here is the available copy..



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Chrycoman
Posted 2020-04-13 1:54 AM (#596753 - in reply to #595332)
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Hello Ralf. Here what I found:
431 = Safety Cushion Padded Instrument Panel (Standard on Adventurer, optional for $13.50 on all other series)
562 = New Car Service (Vehicle Preparation)

Tires = 14 (last digit of 531 and 544 columns) – no info about Code 14, but code 15 is a:
15 = 8.50 x 14 White Side Wall Rayon Tires (set of 5)

I posted a picture of 1958 Adventurer Convertible Build Sheet below
The text below number 6 in the left top corner says «CARD CODE» = no idea, what does it mean…
Looks like your car was built in Warren Avenue at Dearborn, Michigan plant – last year for 1958 DeSoto production, before it moving to Jefferson Plant




Actually DeSoto's Detroit plant was at 6000 Wyoming Ave., purchased from GM in 1934, and was DeSoto's main plant from 1937 through to 1958. It was located about a mile SW of the West Warren plant.

The West Warren plant was acquired by Chrysler from Graham-Paige Corp in 1948 and Chrysler modified one section of the plant in 1949 to build bodies for the Wyoming plant. In 1952 another area of the plant was used to build DeSoto hemi engines. Engine production came to an end at the end of the 1957 model year and for the 1958 model year DeSoto used the new B block V8 engine built at the Trenton engine plant.

Production of DeSoto cars was moved from Wyoming Avenue to East Jefferson for the 1959 model year. Imperial would use the West Warren Avenue plant for the 1959 to 1961 model years. The former DeSoto body line at West Warren was used to build Imperial bodies.

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Posted 2020-04-13 2:45 AM (#596754 - in reply to #596580)
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It seems so…


Thanks for the correction
I found the picture of the cowl tag, where ST=8, but the paint scheme is monotone black (AAA)!!!
So, what is it?

By the way this car has rare manual transmission (code TR=1) in right upper corner of the tag…




Transmission Codes -
291 - 3-speed manual
292 - Powerflite
293 - Torqueflite
294 - Overdrive

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56D500boy
Posted 2020-04-13 10:40 AM (#596762 - in reply to #596754)
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Transmission Codes -
291 - 3-speed manual
292 - Powerflite
293 - Torqueflite
294 - Overdrive


Bill: I am sure you are probably correct *BUT* that must be for 1957 on, right?

I am saying that because for 1956 Dodges

331 = 3 spd manual
332 = 3 spd manual with overdrive
333 = 2 spd Powerflite

(with the number, 1, 2 or 3 printed at the far left of the card above "331")

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Posted 2020-04-13 5:23 PM (#596777 - in reply to #595292)
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There are no Overdrive Transmissions on the DeSoto and Dodge after 1956… it is optional for Plymouth only
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Posted 2020-04-13 5:30 PM (#596778 - in reply to #595292)
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But still I have found 1959 DeSoto Firesweep Convertible cowl tag with code 294…
So, what is it?





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22mafeja
Posted 2020-04-14 1:06 AM (#596810 - in reply to #596777)
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The Canadian built Diplomats and Kingsways at least had overdrive 57-59. I remember several cars with od from my youth.
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