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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909     Location: Lower Mainland BC | . In my so far never-ending quest for a 56 Dodge Car Production Broadcast sheet and/or 56 Dodge dealer order code sheet, I keep bumping into posts with 57 Dodge Car Production Broadcast sheets, sometimes with directly associated cowl data tags that can be used to interpret missing broadcast sheets. I don't think I have seen a broadcast sheet, cowl data tag and an IBM card for the same car. That would be a gold mine of information. I have decided to consolidate some of the information that I have bumped into for future searches of 57 Dodge information. In the past LD3_Greg (Greg L) and D500Neil (Neil V -RIP) put together and posted this info: and Subsequently, folks bought 57 Dodges and were encouraged to look for their car's broadcast sheets. In two cases that I found, they were lucky enough to find the sheets and kind enough to post them to the forum. Like this somewhat flawed but readable (mostly) one from John D (ictfatboy): And sideshow_bod's (Robert S) post with broadcast sheet and cowl data tag: and From sideshow_bob's cowl data tag I can see 293, 421, 469, 485 and 491. Based on guidance from LD3_Greg that indicated that we need not try to convert a cowl tag number like 293 directly to 293 on the broadcast sheet. Instead, Greg suggested that it was the single digit that is important, i.e. 293 on the tag = 3 = 323 on the broadcast sheet = Transmission option 3, which in 1957 was Torqueflite Similarly 421 = 1 = Either (and I expect to be correct by those more knowledgeable than I) 401 on the sheet = under coating or 331 on the sheet = Accessory Group 1 469 on the tag = 9 = 339 on the sheet = Power Brakes 485 on the tag = 5 = 675 on the sheet = delivery route (5 is probably trucked to the dealer in question) 491 on the tag = 1 = Either (and I expect to be correct by those more knowledgeable than I) 401 on the sheet = under coating or 331 on the sheet = Accessory Group 1 I have NO IDEA why 338 on the sheet didn't translate to some 8 on the cowl tag. Same for 362 (=2) and 363 (=3) on the sheet are not to be found on the cowl tag. In poking around my archived images, I found a high res image (like 1 Mb) of ictfatboy's broadcast sheet that I apparently DID NOT use when I tried to fix the lower res image of his broadcast sheet that he originally posted. REFERENCES for keeners: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=71004&... http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=70311&... ictfatboy's higher res image (actually half-sized to fit here) and my "fixed" version of his lower res image: (JohnDsictfatboys57DodgeBuildSheetHighRes_medium.jpg) (ictfatboys57DodgeBuildSheet_CleanedAndAnnotated.jpg) Attachments ----------------  JohnDsictfatboys57DodgeBuildSheetHighRes_medium.jpg (148KB - 75 downloads) ictfatboys57DodgeBuildSheet_CleanedAndAnnotated.jpg (230KB - 75 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 56D500boy - 2023-04-02 3:14 PM. I don't think I have seen a broadcast sheet, cowl data tag and an IBM card for the same car. That would be a gold mine of information. Turns out that I lied.  I do have more info from John D. (ictfatboy) that I had squirelled away, including his 57 Dodge's IBM card and cowl data tag. (see below) I have tried to interpret/consolidate the info in one table. I am quite confident about the broadcast sheet and IBM card interpretations but translating that info to the cowl data tag - not so much. 13 numbers on the broadcast sheet and IBM card only generates 5 numbers on the cowl data tag. Houston, we have a problem. Edited by 56D500boy 2023-04-02 9:43 PM (Summary of John Ds 57 Dodge IBM CardBroadcastSheetAndCowlDataTagInfo.jpg) (JohnDictfatboys57DodgeIBMCard.jpg) (JohnDs57DodgeBodyPlateCowlTag_Enhanced.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Summary of John Ds 57 Dodge IBM CardBroadcastSheetAndCowlDataTagInfo.jpg (122KB - 71 downloads) JohnDictfatboys57DodgeIBMCard.jpg (148KB - 71 downloads) JohnDs57DodgeBodyPlateCowlTag_Enhanced.jpg (145KB - 76 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892   | . OK Houston: Here what I have: (1.jpg) (2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (146KB - 75 downloads) 2.jpg (98KB - 78 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | . In a upper row shown a data plate codes (started at 29); While in a middel row shown an actual order codes; Bottom row shows a description. Can't post a whole table (it's more than 250 kB)... Sorry  | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | . (1.jpg) (2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (112KB - 76 downloads) 2.jpg (88KB - 72 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | . Correction: I never seen a stamped “6” in column “59” – Safety Accessory Group 336 on the cowl tags – so that’s my guessing; If the groups 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 are existing (stamped), so why did not stamp group 6? There is no Coronet Texan Group 338; the order code 388 is meaning a Power Steering actually…  | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | . 293 – Torqueflite 421 – Undercoating 485 – Delivered by Truck 502 – Accessory Group – Radio 524 – Accessory Group – Appearance SCHEDULE 0823 – August 23, 1957 BDY 2175 – Dodge (2), Standard Chassis (1), Royal Series (7), Four Door Sedan (5) PNT 4AMA – Paint Scheme – Deluxe Two Tones (4) Jewell Black – Roof Color Turquoise – Upper Body Color Jewell Black – Lower Body Color Jewell Black – Fins Color TRM 114 – Gold Vinyl and Black Sutters’ Gold Fabric (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (145KB - 76 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2023-04-03 11:24 AM code 338 is right 338 = Power Steering shows up on the Broadcast sheet and the IBM card (but no where on the cowl data tag example). So your table could be labeled like this:? (Fantastic job there Igor - finally the "Black Magic" is disappearing )Edited by 56D500boy 2023-04-03 2:39 PM (Igors57DodgeCowlDataTagAndOrderCodeMap_1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Igors57DodgeCowlDataTagAndOrderCodeMap_1.jpg (142KB - 75 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | frwl - 2023-04-03 2:34 PM . 293 – Torqueflite 421 – Undercoating 485 – Delivered by Truck 502 – Accessory Group – Radio 524 – Accessory Group – Appearance 293 – order code 323 – Torqueflite Transmission 421 – order code 401 – Undercoating 485 – order code 675 – Delivered by Truck 502 – order code 332 – Accessory Group – Radio 524 – order code 334 – Accessory Group – Appearance | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | . Plus: B – 3.18 to 1 Rear Axle Ratio 338 – Power Steering 362 – Air Foam Rear Seat Cushion 366 – Padded Instrument Panel 382 – Right Outside Rear View Mirror 405 – Variable Speed Windshield Wipers 07 – 8.00 x 14 White Side Wall Tires (2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 2.jpg (190KB - 83 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Igor: Here is another 1957 Dodge to test your knowledge and skill: From the build sheet (See below): 323= Transmission (Torqueflite) 401 = Undercoating 675 = Route 5 331 = Accessory Group 1 338 = Power Steering 339 = Power Brakes 362 = Airfoam - rear seats 363 = Bump(er) Vert ??? 398 = Plastic Steering Wheel 402 = Wheel Cover(s) Tires = 07 Axle = C Same car, cowl tag (see below) (Did I get them right??) 293 = TorqueFlite Transmission 421 = Undercoating 469 = Power Brakes 485 = Delivery Route 5 491 = Accessory Group 1 I still am confused as to why 13 numbers/letters on the build sheet becomes ONLY 5 items on the cowl data tag. (???) REFERENCE: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=70311&... | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | 56D500boy - 2023-04-03 5:24 PM Same car, cowl tag (see below) (Did I get them right??) 293 = TorqueFlite Transmission 421 = Undercoating 469 = Power Brakes 485 = Delivery Route 5 491 = Accessory Group 1 Yes Sir, you are absolutely right! | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | . Rear Vertical Bumper Guards - code 363: (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (8KB - 72 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | . The old thread about '57 Dodge Royal 4-Door Lancer with rare DUAL AIR CONDITIONING option - order code 352 (column 302 on the data plate) http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=52115&... (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (145KB - 71 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Below is a beautiful scan of an actual 1957 Dodge IBM card that I have lightly annotated in order to show the punch lines (get it??). Going across the top and then the second row, we get this: Shipping Date: 12 19 (Dec. 19, 1957 Order 10050 Dealer Code (not printed but punched) = 55273 Order Number (not printed but punched) = 011 Body Model 2586 = 57 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer 2 dr hardtop with D500 chassis enhancements Reference: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=74433&... Paint = 1 LLL where 1 = 1 and X3 = L, LLL = All Glacier White https://vintagepaint.biz/images/source/Chrysler/Dodge/1956_spring_19... Trim Code 218 = Pellon Vinyl and Staccato Fabric – Blue Reference: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=74465&... Axle = C = Column 66 = R3 (I don't know what the ratio is. frwl might know) Route 5 = Column 67 = 675 323 = Column 32 with a "3" = TorqueFlite 3 spd auto transmission 332, 333, 335 = Column 33 Accessory Groups 2, 3 and 5 338, 339 = Column 33 with 8 = Power Steering and 9 = Power Brakes 341 = Aerials, Option 1 352 = Air Conditioning, Option 2 363, 365 and 365 = 363 = Bumper Vertical Bars, 365 = Electric Clock, 366 = Padded Dash Crash Pad 372 = D-500 engine (But not the Super D-500 engine Code 491 (or 492?) 382 = Outside Right side mirror 384 = Power Front Seat 394 = Tinted Solex Glass 401 = Undercoating 511, 512 = 1,1 = Tire Option 803 = Tracer number = 3 Original(ish) scan of the IBM card in question and then my lightly annotated version (so it is easier to see the punch holes) Edited by 56D500boy 2023-04-04 4:27 PM (ScanOfActual57DodgeIBMCard.jpg) (ScanOfActual57DodgeIBMCard_Large_AnnotatedBase_medium.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ScanOfActual57DodgeIBMCard.jpg (135KB - 72 downloads) ScanOfActual57DodgeIBMCard_Large_AnnotatedBase_medium.jpg (149KB - 66 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2023-04-05 10:03 AM Axle = C = Column 66 = 663 = 3.36 to 1 Rear Axle Ratio Route 5 = Column 67 = 675 = Delivered by Truck 511, 512 = 11 = Tires – 8.50 x 14 – White Side Wall (but not sure) Minor clarification: Column 66 on the 57 Dodge IBM cards is for the rear axle ratio. In contrast to the 1956 Dodge IBM cards that used two columns, 31 and 32, to punch two numbers to designate the rear axle ratio, e.g. 3 and 5 = 3.54 rear axle, the 57 Dodge IBM cards used two punches in Column 66 to designate a letter, using the universally accepted translation from punch codes to letters and numbers. In that way, Column 66 with a punch in what I have been calling the "-2" position (which might actually be called the "R" position) and a punch in the "3" position (in the same column, 66) equals the letter "C", which apparently means a ratio of 3.36. Similarly, a -2 (or R) and a 2 = B which frwl has previously suggested meant a 3.18 ratio. It would be nice to know what the other letters (A = -2, 1 and D= -2, 4) mean ratio-wise (Igor??) An example 56 Dodge IBM card (look at columns 31 and 32 and then up at the top row for 3,5) The universal IBM card punch hole translator: Edited by 56D500boy 2023-04-05 3:41 PM (IBMPunchCodeCharacterSetKey.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IBMPunchCodeCharacterSetKey.jpg (125KB - 78 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Powerflite - 2023-04-05 1:49 PM I just figured out what the "Add Codes" and "Remove Codes" are there for. In case the customer or dealer changed their minds, or corrected an error in the codes, they could write or stamp it in those boxes. Can't disagree. That is what I thought when I went through Tim Dupont's 56 Dodge D500-1's IBM card in 2021. His card had a "REMOVE" 344 and "ADD" 345 stamped on his card (See below). I think I've seen another card where add and remove codes were written in pencil. (??) Where: " 344 = 34 = Power Equipment, 4 = Power four-way seat. Other 34 codes included 341 = Power Steering, 345 = Power Brakes, 346 = Power Seat and Power Brakes, 347 = Power Seat, Power Steering and Power Brakes, 348 = Power Steering and Brakes and 349 = Power Steering and Power Seat. Your (Tim's) car’s IBM card punches only shows the Power Seat." REFERENCE: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23917&... Edited by 56D500boy 2023-04-05 6:16 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9674 Location: So. Cal | I thought they were the same thing. You step on the brake and the seat moves you forward so you can apply more power - i.e. power brakes! That must be what code 346 means.  Just kidding. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Powerflite - 2023-04-05 4:22 PM I thought they were the same thing. You step on the brake and the seat moves you forward so you can apply more power - i.e. power brakes! That must be what code 346 means. Just kidding. We're straying off the 57 Dodge topic but to add to the ADD and REMOVE comments, I previously communicated to Tim Dupont this: "Your car’s IBM card punches only shows the Power Seat. However, as you previously discussed with Neil Vedder, there is a 345 “Add Code” stamp and a 344 “Remove Code” stamp. Previously, you thought that 345 Added and 344 Deleted was a running switch to Manual steering (may have initially tried to get power steering and this is not available with the Dual Four Barrel Carburetor Group). Bottomline: Based on this photo, there is no PS pump on the back of the generator or PB vacuum can or “accordion bellow” booster. Not sure if you got the power seat in the end or not (I would guess not). " I never had/found a photo of Tim's front seat to check for the presence (or absense) of the power seat controls. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1892 | 56D500boy - 2023-04-05 3:38 PM It would be nice to know what the other letters (A = -2, 1 and D= -2, 4) mean ratio-wise (Igor??) 1957 REAR AXLE RATIOS: DODGE 66B = Rear Axle Ratio 3.18 to 1 (but not sure) 66C = Rear Axle Ratio 3.36 to 1 66D = Rear Axle Ratio 3.54 to 1 66E = Rear Axle Ratio 3.73 to 1 66F = Rear Axle Ratio 3.91 to 1 (but not sure) DESOTO 662 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.18 to 1 663 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.36 to 1 664 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.54 to 1 665 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.73 to 1 666 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.91 to 1 667 = Rear Axle Ratio 4.10 to 1 CHRYSLER – JEFFERSON PLANT 230 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.15 to 1 231 = Rear Axle Ratio 2.93 to 1 232 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.18 to 1 233 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.31 to 1 234 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.54 to 1 235 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.73 to 1 CHRYSLER – LOS ANGELES PLANT 500 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.15 to 1 501 = Rear Axle Ratio 2.93 to 1 502 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.18 to 1 503 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.31 to 1 504 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.54 to 1 505 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.73 to 1 PLYMOUTH – LYNCH ROAD PLANT 114 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.73 to 1 115 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.90 to 1 116 = Rear Axle Ratio 4.10 to 1 PLYMOUTH – LOS ANGELES PLANT 504 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.73 to 1 505 = Rear Axle Ratio 3.90 to 1 506 = Rear Axle Ratio 4.10 to 1 507 = Rear Axle Ratio 2.92 to 1 Based on the above, I can assume that 1957 Dodge code 66A is 2.93 Final Drive Ratio | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9909 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2023-04-06 10:03 AM Dave, check your email, I duplicated the message Replied, just now. Nice rear axle listing Igor. (Thanks) It will come in handy in the future Just to confirm the available rear axle ratios for 1957 and 1958 Mopars: Edited by 56D500boy 2023-04-06 2:42 PM (57-58MoparRearAxelRatios.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57-58MoparRearAxelRatios.jpg (149KB - 65 downloads) | ||
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