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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-04-29 3:56 PM (#629253)
Subject: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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AS I'M GETTING OLDER NEARING 79, I'M CONSIDERING SELLING A MECHANICALLY RESTORED 58 DODGE LANCER 2 DOOR HT WITH 325 V8 AND PUSH BUTTON AUTOMATIC - AFTER MARKET A/C - TWO TONE CRIMSON RED & GLACIER WHITE - RECENTLY OUT OF A LOCAL RESTORATION SHOP IN CONROE TEXAS - RUNS & DRIVES GREAT - COMPLETELY NEW INTERIOR - DOES NEED MINOR BODY/COSMETIC WORK BUT I CALLED A HALT WHEN MY BELOVED WIFE RECENTLY PASSED. I WAS GOING TO DRIVE IT AS IS IN HER MEMORY BUT LOOSING INTEREST. LET ME KNOW IF INTERESTED OR FOR MORE INFO AND PHOTOS - EMAIL ME AT frank_van_de_velde@hotmail.com - THANK YOU!
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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-05 11:43 AM (#629333 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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No idea how to post photos but here's a link https://youtu.be/_E36p77Q1C8
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-06 9:11 AM (#629346 - in reply to #629333)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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Nice!





(1958 Coronet Lancer coupe 050623.JPG)



(1958 Coronet Lancer coupe 2 050623.JPG)



(1958 Coronet Lancer coupe 3 050623.JPG)



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ram250098
Posted 2023-05-06 3:31 PM (#629356 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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Why do I have to be in Canada, sharp car Frank, sorry for your loss very understandable.
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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-06 4:34 PM (#629357 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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ram250098 - thank you for posting photos - the video was taken just after the windshield was installed with surround trim installed later - Frank.
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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-06 4:35 PM (#629358 - in reply to #629346)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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Thanks for posting photos
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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-15 5:19 PM (#629573 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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This is Frank, the Owner setting the buy it now price of $25K OBO
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Powerflite
Posted 2023-05-15 7:26 PM (#629575 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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Very nice! Can you post a photo of the body tag please?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-16 8:52 AM (#629585 - in reply to #629575)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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It's the cowl tag just to the inside of the passenger side hood spring.  Posting images here can be a challenge. You can email them to me and I can post them here if you want.  Just click on my user name and you will see my email address.

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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-16 12:06 PM (#629588 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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Emailed tag to Lancer Mike to post - thanks for the interest
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Powerflite
Posted 2023-05-16 6:23 PM (#629597 - in reply to #629588)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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Here is the tag. Thanks for sharing it with us!
It shows a late build, scheduled for June 19, 1958. So likely an original spring special car. My '58 Coronet was scheduled on March 7, 1958, but it didn't receive any unique spring special elements on it that I am aware of.

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(58Coronet Body Tag.jpg)



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-17 12:18 AM (#629610 - in reply to #629597)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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Thank you, Nathan and Frank:

Lettuce decode! I'm not very good at this anymore

Starting from bottom left:

A = almost ubiquitous - unknown

0619 = Built June 19, 1958 (on or around)

17006 = schedule number, order of build

3 = Dodge

3 = Coronet

2 = Lancer coupe

4BBA? = Wedgewood Blue and Black?  I don't think I'm reading that right!

145 TRM code = new one on me!

OPTIONS:

3 in the first position = Torqueflite 3 speed automatic transmission

5 in the secont position = heater / defroster

3 in the 18th position = real spring special from the factory

5 in the 20th postion = solex windshield

1 in the 22nd position = undercoating

I can't read the 27th (last) position number.   3 = customer pickup, 5 = truck delivery, 6 = truck and drive, 7 = dealer's own truck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Powerflite
Posted 2023-05-17 2:14 AM (#629612 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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What is the 733 at the top?
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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-17 9:14 AM (#629614 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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Thanks to all for decoding the tag and for multiple interested buyers! I was told by the previous Owner (now deceased) that the car was a "spring special" edition, which I did not appreciate at the time.

Edited by PLYMOUTHEMI 2023-05-17 9:19 AM
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-17 9:55 PM (#629626 - in reply to #629612)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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Powerflite - 2023-05-17 12:14 AM What is the 733 at the top?

Never seen numbers up there!  I'm not sure I'm seeing one on this tag either?  Maybe something is there?  That would be a first for me.

 

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-17 9:59 PM (#629627 - in reply to #629626)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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Frank, another interesting thing with your car.  It is coded as a Spring Special from the factory, which is great.  It seems to be missing a few components though - the fin end caps and the license plate escutcheon.  Also, the center grill medallion appears to be upside down.  We have all learned with Mother MoPar - never say never!  It could be it came from the factory without those pieces?  Seems unlikely though...





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-17 10:18 PM (#629628 - in reply to #629627)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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Maybe the PNT code is 4 RRA!  Saddle two-tone, Poppy Red roof, Poppy Red lower, and Black fins and deck.  That would be a sharp car in a spring special color!

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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-18 1:34 PM (#629640 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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Mike, thanks for the info......the fin end caps are present unless I don't know what I'm looking at? there is a red license plate escutcheon on the trunk lid. I bought the car As Is out of an estate sale.
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Powerflite
Posted 2023-05-18 8:51 PM (#629649 - in reply to #629627)
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Lancer Mike - 2023-05-17 6:59 PM

...It seems to be missing a few components though - the fin end caps and the license plate escutcheon.....



No Mike. I have seen a number of original '58 Dodge spring specials. They almost never came with every single spring special do-dad on them. I'm not sure how it worked if the customer got to pick and choose, or if it was different for each dealer, or what. But it's clear that those things were selective. Even the side trim was selective because I can think of a couple of examples that came with the standard '58 Dodge side trim on them.

It turns out that my '58 Coronet was ordered in March of '58, so it should be a spring special too right? Being a Los Angeles build car, I would have to order the IBM card to find out what it says for it. But it didn't have any spring special parts on it - which is fine by me.

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Viper Guy
Posted 2023-05-19 8:43 PM (#629662 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER



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"It turns out that my '58 Coronet was ordered in March of '58, so it should be a spring special too right?"

If I remember correctly from my Dad being a dealer back then, not all cars built after a certain date were Spring Specials. The Spring Specials all had certain options, colors, and trim that were ordered as a package but a standard car could also be ordered during that period of time as well.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-19 10:06 PM (#629665 - in reply to #629662)
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Hi, Frank (not J.F.) :

The fin end caps are funky doo-dads on top of the tail light but under the fin - somewhat predictive of the 1959 Dodge fin (see image below of my own car - NOT a coded spring special, but one I built because I kind of like those flashy doo-dads).

 

Nathan:

I thought the cars coded with a 3 in the 18th position would get all the doo-dads and most likely have the saddle scheme, unless they were monotones.  But as J.F. Frank notes, not all Dodges built after a certain date were springies, just the special ones coded so.  Still, not all true spring specials had the spring paint colors!  With sales slumping, Dodge sent out all the spring doo-dads to dealers to help move cars that had been sitting on lots all winter.  The dealers would gussie up the cars with bits and pieces of what they felt like installing, resulting in the the bewildering variety of trim, paint scheme, and colors of basically original 1958 Dodge cars.  I don't know these things though.  I'm basing all this off of Jeffrey I. Godshall's article in Collectible Automobile August 1993 Vol. 10, No. 2.  He's a fella who probably knows. 

Still, I believe you about seeing coded spring specials without all the trim, as Frank's car illustrates.  



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-19 10:28 PM (#629667 - in reply to #629665)
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one thing's for shizzle: in today's America, ain't NO WAY a big company like Chrysler would let things get outta hand the way they did with the 1958 Dodge trim!

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-19 10:31 PM (#629668 - in reply to #629626)
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Lancer Mike - 2023-05-17 7:55 PM

Powerflite - 2023-05-17 12:14 AM What is the 733 at the top?

Never seen numbers up there!  I'm not sure I'm seeing one on this tag either?  Maybe something is there?  That would be a first for me.

 

Frank is there really a number on that top row???

 

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PLYMOUTHEMI
Posted 2023-05-20 3:00 PM (#629674 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: Re: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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Mike, yes but barely visible. I'll ask my mechanic to clean the tag and take a photo and let you know next week as he's out of town.
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Powerflite
Posted 2023-05-20 3:30 PM (#629675 - in reply to #629253)
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If he can take it off and photograph the back side, that would be great!
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Powerflite
Posted 2023-05-24 7:13 PM (#629810 - in reply to #629675)
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Here is a better picture from Frank. It looks like there isn't a number below the 73 column. It's probably just an imperfection in the paint. The other numbers are more visible now too.



(58Coronet Tag.jpg)



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-24 9:55 PM (#629813 - in reply to #629810)
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Nice work Nathan and Frank!  Definitely a squiggle up there though! 

That would have been totally new to me to see a number in the top row!  The color combo of poppy and black would be really cool and explains why we are seeing the black original color of the data plate.  TRM code 145 must be the spring poppy and black interior, which is very unusual too.

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frwl
Posted 2023-05-25 1:36 PM (#629818 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: RE: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS

STANDARD TRIM

110 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue
111 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green
112 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Beige and Tan
113 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black
115 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black

CUSTOM TRIM

140 = Vinyl and Frost Web Fabric – Blue
141 = Vinyl and Frost Web Fabric – Green
142 = Vinyl and Frost Web Fabric – Beige and Tan
143 = Vinyl and Frost Web Fabric – Ivory and Black
144 = Vinyl and Frost Web Fabric – Red and Black
145 = Vinyl and Frost Web Fabric – Red and Black
146 = Vinyl and Frost Web Fabric – Black

No idea what the difference between trim 144 and 145… it might be used as an early trim (code 144) while the code 145 as later…



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frwl
Posted 2023-05-25 1:49 PM (#629819 - in reply to #629253)
Subject: RE: 1958 DODGE CORONET LANCER


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Here the link to the black and red Coronet 144 trim code:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23181&...

It's very need to figure out: what the difference between 144 and 145...

Could the owner post the images of his car trim (inside the car pictures) for comparison P L E A S E ?


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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-05-29 9:39 PM (#629880 - in reply to #629819)
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My guess is that the difference between 144 and 145 is the shade of red.  145 should be a more pastel tone.  Here are some images Frank sent of his interior.





(1958 Coronet Lancer coupe 4 050623 reduced.jpg)



(1958 Coronet Lancer coupe 5 050623 reduced.jpg)



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