Re: IML: Planned Obsolesence.

[randalpark@xxxxxxx]

Notice they are called Atlas Obsolete.

Paul W.


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From: randalpark@xxxxxxx
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Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 5:04 am
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer won't work on a '90s Imperial


I couldn't have said it better myself, although I have in the past by 
only using the two words that it is called. Apparently, that wasn't 
enough to do the trick. Now its been explained. Its an important part 
of our national economy, almost as much so as the fact that 1957 and up 
Imperials have superior handling due to the torsion bar front 
suspension system. I just had that rebuilt on my '65 Crown. Boy, what a 
difference! Got the parts from Atlas Obsolete, expensive, but fast and 
good. 
 
Paul W. 
 
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From: Andrew A. <canafornia@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 3:33 pm 
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer won't work on a '90s Imperial 
 
 
All right, I've been trying to keep quiet when I saw this subject come 
up a few days ago, as it's one of my biggest pet peaves, but I keep 
seeing comments on it and I just can't hold it in any longer!..So 
excuse me while I rant a little to get it off my chest so that I can 
sleep better tonight! ;-) 
 
  
 
It's called "planned obsolescence" and it's the Multi-national 
Manufacturing industry's best invention. It's purpose it to re-sell us 
the same product over and over again just as you have finished paying 
for it..They know exactly how many times a part can go through it's 
duty cycle and then break, they have it down to a absolute science. 
Gone are the days that things were built to last. Now they are built to 
last just beyond the warranty!..And the worst part is that they have 
convinced the public through relentless marketing ploys, that this is 
absolutely normal! They have convinced us that after a certain number 
of years, their product is no longer reliable and in fact could be 
dangerous!!.So you better go out and buy a new one! And we have 
accepted this!!!...Look at refrigerators: they are good for about 7-10 
years..Well in my house I have 3 refrigerators and they are a 1948 
Philco (painted black with flames for my "liquid refreshments"), 1954 
Westinghouse and a 1949 Philco...All of them work perfectly and have 
NEVER been serviced!...So don't tell me they can't make a refrigerator 
that can last 50 years!.They used to do it over 50 years ago! It's that 
they don't WANT to!.it would be bad for business to only sell you one 
every 50 years!...Cars are the same, after 10 years they don't want to 
service them so that you don't feel that you will have any support if 
you break down anywhere, all of a sudden it doesn't feel reliable 
anymore, you feel unsafe, so you might as well buy a new one to feel 
reliable again. And if you ask the average Joe, they will just say that 
"that's just the way it is"..Well think about it: Aren't you angry that 
you spend $50,000 on a product and it is obsolete and unreliable after 
only 10 years, and the dealer doesn't even want to service it 
anymore??.I know it makes me mad and that's why I refuse to buy into 
their marketing and I don't buy anything "new"!!!...I broke down and 
bought a new home Stereo system 10 years ago that blew up on me 4 years 
later!...I refused to buy another new one. Instead I had my old 
faithfull Tecnics system from the 1970's repaired for $125 and have 
been listening to it everyday since then without a hitch.My Kitchen 
stove is a 1951 Moffat electric that not only works but the back panel 
looks like the dash of a 50's Imperial ( <---Imperial content here), 
which gives me pleasure everytime I look at it!...My fridges are old 
and my everyday summer car is a 1969 Olds, (winter time I drive a $1000 
scrapper)...I have a 1923 Band saw and a 1930's drill press which all 
work flawlessly...So long live the old solid technology and I say to 
the New product manufacturers: "In your face!" 
 
  
 
Whew!...now I feel better! ;-) 
 
  
 
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From: Marcos del Castillo 
 
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:13 PM 
 
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer won't work on a '90s Imperial 
 
 
 
On the contrary, modern cars are the ones that are disposable.  You get 
it new and it's got lots of features, which is nice, but once things 
start to fall apart or you get in a little fender-bender, the cost of 
repairs is too high and there are so many specialized parts and 
computer modules that suppliers stop producing them sooner than they 
would have in the past b/c it's not cost effective, so you may not even 
be able to get the parts to fix it...  
 
So it's just easier and cheaper to go out and buy a new car, which is 
just fine with the automakers and the dealerships.  And since they know 
this, well then, why should they bother building a product to last 10 
or 20 years, when they know you'll trade it in in 3? 
 
I'd say mid 90's was the point where cars stopped being serviceable 
enough that you could keep repairing them and putting them back on the 
road, to where they started becoming disposable. 
 
 
 
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From:  jrgrestini@xxxxxxx 
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To:  mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject:  Re: IML: Dealer won't work on a '90s Imperial 
Date:  Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:47:28 -0400 
 
 
I was in Daytona Beach Florida last year had a problem with my security 
system not shuting off.The dealer told me that these cars are throw 
away cars. I stay in the parking lot about 2 hours finally was able to 
fix it myself.         John 
 
 
 
 
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From: Tony Dzik <folkbluesman@xxxxxxxxx> 
 
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
 
Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 4:19 pm 
 
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer won't work on a '90s Imperial 
 
 
 
 
 
Last winter our local Toyota dealer did an il change on my 86 Gran 
Fury. All they asked was that I bring in a filter. Also said they'd do 
most work on it if I brought in the parts. 
 
 
Jeffrey Fastov <jfastov@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
 
 
 
 
need dealer help on a 66( other brand) and the dealer said they don't 
work on cars that old. 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: sosmi@xxxxxxxxxxx 
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:24 PM 
 
 
 
 
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer won't work on a '90s Imperial 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dave, don't feel alone. Years ago my Dad had his 77 Dodge Van TOWED to 
the local Dodge Dealer, and was told the same thing, since it was an 
ignition problem every component, if replaced was maybe $200. He had to 
then tow to a small independant shop.This was in Detroit no less. Dave. 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
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From: David Whitney <hazegreen66@xxxxxxxxx> 
 
 
 
 
Went to a five-star dealer in Richmond, Calif., over the weekend with 
an electrical problem and was firmly told they do not do any work on 
cars more than 15 years old.  The rest of the conversation is 
immaterial, the service writer was adamant and told me this after 
emerging from the servive manager's office.  Does this mean we're all 
officially "orphaned" by Chrysler China? 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
Happy motoring, 
 
 
 
David 
 
 
 
'91 K-Imperial driver 200,000 miles 
 
'66 LeBaron dual air and every option known to man 
 
 
 
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