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British Columbia is a little tighter
with its registration process than Alberta.
In B.C. a buyer must produce the Owner's
Certificate of Insurance and Vehicle Licence (APV). They will not
transfer a vehicle to another owner without it. It is not a title in
the American sense, but close to it.
Each vehicle is issued a registration
number. This number is unique for each vehicle, and is the means
each vehicle is recorded in the system. As the government
issues each vehicle a registration number, it is rather difficult to forge
documents for a vehicle. If the information on your paperwork to
transfer a vehicle does not match the data in the government's computer, too
bad. You have to have your information match their
data.
At present I am in a situation
with a 1964 Studebaker. The fellow has had the car for twenty-some
years, stored in a shed behind his home. Unfortunately, there are no
records in the system for this car - have checked the vehicle by its serial
number and owner's name. The owner is presently digging for some
proof of ownership - to be precise some form of government-issued
registration. Otherwise I will have to go through a long, drawn out
process to have him prove his legal ownership of the vehicle before I can
transfer ownership.
I also own a 1962 Dodge Lancer GT which
is in Alberta. I bought it before I moved the Vancouver in 1994. I
do have a bill of sale from the previous owner which is enough to register it in
Alberta. Which I will have to do as B.C. will not recognize the bill of
sale without some proof of ownership (ie., registration slip) issued by the
government of Alberta. So, before I can move the Lancer to Vancouver, I
will have to register it in Alberta, somehow.
With my 1983 Imperial, I was more
fortunate in that although the owner had not driven the car in almost two years
and had let the registration lapse, she did have a copy of the last valid
registration form. That was acceptable to the B.C. bureaucrats,
along with a properly exceuted transfer form.
Do not know about the other provinces,
but in Canada, as in the U.S., the rules vary from one jurisdiction to
another.
Bill
Vancouver, BC
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: [FWDLK] Fw: IML: Checking
ownership
----- Original Message -----
From:
ROGER MEISENBACH
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:48
PM
Subject: Re: IML: Checking
ownership
BUYER'S BEWARE............Word of caution to anyone contemplating
buying a car out of Canada. They do have a process called Registration
there, similar to our titles, providing for valid/certified transfer of
ownership. Just know that any Canadian joker/shyster can legally sell
any vehicle with a simple Bill of Sale and the agreeable VIN, WITHOUT
BEING THE CURRENT REGISTERED OWNER!!!
Believe this is true in all the
provinces. Some transactions, especially at Used Car Dealerships, may
go through multiple "sales" without Registration/Title change and the
last registered owner being maybe years back in the car's history. And
unobtainable for sign-off. I understand the locals live through this
by obtaining some kind of easy-to-get temporary license tag that does not
require proof of ownership. Sound absurd? You bet.
I speak from first-hand negative experience in
an eBay deal where policy states rather quick deposit and final payoff
(also, the eBay buyer protection plan, Safe Harbor, does not apply to deals
outside the U.S.). My "seller" delayed sending a copy of the current
Registration/Title long enough to clear my Cashier's Check and then never
provided it. It was non-existent and he knew
it. But perfectly legal in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Without proper paperwork showing a
valid transfer, you cannot get a car across U.S. customs...whether it was
U.S. or Canadian built. There's more to this story but this is enough
for now. Anybody else with crooked Canadian deals? Who would
think that any civilized system in the Western World would allow such a loop
hole and opportunity for "legal" criminal misrepresentation. I can
only guess this system prevails because it provides attorneys a cash cow.
Roger K.C., MO
----- Original Message -----
From:
Bob Smith
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:07
AM
To:
mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IML: Checking
ownership
When buying a used car, you will already need to have the title in
order to register it, so you know who that person is. As a rule,
private party sales require the current owner (or seller) to sign off
on the title and give it to you. Finding owners previous to the last
one I think was the issue.
In addition, if you buy from a car dealership you will never see the
title because the dealership is required by law to process the change of
ownership.
For vehicles purchased without a title (on a "bill of sale"), there
are companies that can obtain a good title for you at a cost but again,
you will not know who the last (or any previous) owners were.
As for it being a violation of the "Privacy Act", any public record
is not subject to any privacy act.
Regards,
Bob
"A. Foster" <monkeypuzzle1@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
No
Sir;
Finding former owners is pretty standard practice in
jurisdictions that
require titles for vehicle registration. If you
buy a used car you need the
last registered registered owner to
transfer the title to you. In the case
of a car that hasn't seen the
road for some time it is no uncommon for the
owner of a car not to
have the title transfered to him unless he intended to
drive it
straight away.. How would you go about doing that without a
title
search of prior owners if you are not allowed to know who those
owners are?
I think someone is getting car ownership mixed up with
license plate
numbers.
Best Regards
Arran Foster
1954
Imperial Newport
Needing A Left Side tailight Bezel and other trim
parts.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent:
Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: IML: Checking
ownership
> I highly doubt that any state will give anyone
information about a car's
former owner for the simple fact that it is
a violation of the Privacy Act.
> Doug 1958 Crown coupe
>
>
> > From: Bob Smith
> >
Date: 2003/06/19 Thu PM 08:24:09 EDT
> > To:
mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: IML: Checking
ownership
> >
> > If you know what state it was last
in, some states might furnish this
information (for a fee). In some
cases, they charge for each owner
information. However, in
California, no one can get information on former
owners due to a law
that was enacted about a decade ago. If you don't know
what state it
was last registered in, you are pretty much out of luck.
>
>
> > JOHN FACER wrote:
> >
Hi,can anyone tell me how to trace the the previous American owners
of
my 1981 Imperial.?
> > Any help would be welcom.
>
> Johnny 'Jack Daniels' Facer
> >
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