RE: RE[Chrysler300] 300 Starter and Generator Rebuilder

["'David Schwandt' finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Agreed, Ray

And now, sadly, many young folks don’t even want, just a job, doing anything!!

 

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray Jones 1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 3:48 PM
To: Ray Melton
Cc: Chrysler 300 Club; dverity@xxxxxxxxxxx; Steve Albu; Mark Souders; rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx; travisbaker4@xxxxxxxxx; Ray Jones
Subject: Re: RE[Chrysler300] 300 Starter and Generator Rebuilder

 






Hi Ray;

Well said!
 As an old retired Auto Tech, I know just what you're talking about, the loss and/or  lack of knowledge.

Not to mention the curiosity that leads to discovering the ins and outs of how things work, and what leads to what works well.

I had many apprentices who just wanted to rip things apart and throw parts at it until it was fixed, instead of finding out just what part was needed. I learned quickly, not to give them a car with a problem to solve, because I'd come back and find the bench covered with parts.

Asked what was the problem, the answer was "Not sure, might be  this or that"  
I'd  tell them, "Now the car won't run, so you have no way to test those parts or to solve the problem."

I eventually gave up the apprentices and just mentored as needed, so as to not hurt MY productivity. 

Teaching just cost too me much money.

That might not have been helpful for the future, but the kids I got just weren't into cars like we were. It was just a job to them.

Ray

 

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Ray Melton rfmelton@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

  

Hello All -

I was deeply saddened to learn of the passing of Glenn Cheaney, who did such a beautiful job of RESTORING (not just rebuilding) the starter and generator for my 1957 300C (also re-calibrated the points in my original voltage regulator to match the output of the restored generator).    He and I did indeed lament the fading away of the old-school expertise (and indeed the interest) in bringing these old electrical parts back to life, especially with the opportunity to upgrade the internal functions (like 50% more starter power with additional field coil windings), but also the correct paint colors, plating on various parts, rubber boots, etc.  He had an enormous stockpile of old parts to cannibalize for many new jobs, but also said he just never could find a co-worker who was interested in all that "old stuff" and had the appropriate "old school" work ethic, so he just worked there at Ace as an independent contractor, dedicated to those small, but special jobs.  He said he already had enough money, so didn't need to charge painfully high prices, and enjoyed working with like-minded customers who appreciated not only his talent, but also his approach to work and life in general.  I may never need his expertise again, but I miss not only the man, but also the way of life he represented.

Ray Melton

 

On 2/3/2017 12:26 PM, Michael Moore wrote:

That’s the one. Weighs 18# and is slightly longer.  

1.8Kw vs 1.5 Kw. Terrific upgrade.p/n 3258 at Autozone.

Mike Moore

30oH

On Feb 3, 2017, at 11:17 AM, scooter465@xxxxxxx wrote:

 

Chrysler had a 1.5 hp version of the gear reduction starter . It was introduced around 1974 for big blocks. It later became standard on all 8 cylinders. It is a great upgrade looks the same slightly longer.

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On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Michael Moore mmoore8425@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

  

Don, I used a ? after I said Hemi because I knew it was for a HP later engine,  and thought it was a later  Hemi. 

 

It is physically larger and heavier than what was specified for the car, and as I recall, it doesn’t have a reduction drive.

 

In any event,  in 50 years of owning that car, it has NEVER turned over like it does now. 

 

It also seemed much more difficult to install than when I was in my 20’s. I am surprised that a 426 Hemi starters won’t fit a 426 wedge engine.  

Best,

  

Mike Moore

300H

 

On Feb 3, 2017, at 9:42 AM, <dverity@xxxxxxxxxxx> <dverity@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Completely different starter. Early Hemi starters are not available at any parts store.

Don

 

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Subject: Re: RE[Chrysler300] 300 Starter and Generator Rebuilder

 

John,

When I replaced the starter on my 300H last year, my friend Chuck Hill suggested I install the larger  starter used for the hemis (?), which I did.

I bought t from AutoZone and it was the largest Mopar starter they sold.

It made a HUGE difference, Starting the car now is like turning n a switch for an electric motor. I am not a fan of non-stock, but that is the best mod I’ve ever made to that car.

 

Mike Moore

300H

 

On Feb 3, 2017, at 7:52 AM, 'John Grady' jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

 

Sorry to hear about that passing ..those guys are so special..what they know goes with them…..

On the starter,, I wanted to second Bob J’s comment that various starters are used and fit mechanically, but have trouble cranking 392 especially when hot. . Can drive you crazy as nothing is wrong except somewhere along the trail it acquired a ? more common Dodge V8 starter .

Why I post is Hot Heads sells a ‘replacement” rebuilt 57 or 58 392 starter ..apparently the correct one. I bought one from them, it seemed noticeable heavier than others I have seen,  but not a parts book guru guy. Looks new!! Reasonable $ too. Not used in car yet. 

They also sell modern small gear reduction starters that fit if that is of any interest. 

John

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Subject: Re: RE[Chrysler300] 300 Starter and Generator Rebuilder





In regard to having vintage components rebuilt, I just wanted to inform the group that Glenn Cheaney at Ace Alternator and Starter Exchange in Wichita, KS passed away recently after a bout with cancer.  When I called the shop, it was clear that the owner missed his business partner for over 20 years very much. 

He did recommend another shop that he is referring people to who need vintage electrical items restored:

Dan Smith

617 680-1557 

1223 Main Street, 

Ashby, MA 01431

You must mail them the part and they will reply back with a quote to rebuild it to show specs.  

Steve Albu

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Ray Melton  <mailto:rfmelton@xxxxxxx> rfmelton@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] < <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

  

I had excellent results having the starter (and generator and voltage regulator, too) on my 1957 Chrysler 300C restored (not just rebuilt!) to beautiful original appearance, PLUS he installed extra-heavy field coils (I believe it entailed an entire additional field winding unit).  The fellow's name is Glenn Cheaney at Ace Alternator and Starter Exchange in Wichita, KS.  He is independently employed there to do custom restorations on vintage electrical components.  Glenn's phone numbers are  <tel:%28239%29%20821-6548> (239)821-6548  and  <tel:%28316%29%20529-8854> (316)529-8854, and his e-mail is  <mailto:gcheaney@xxxxxxx> gcheaney@xxxxxxx.    The website is   <http://www.acewichita.com/> www.acewichita.com.   Very reasonable prices and an interesting fellow to work with!
 
Ray Melton
1957 Chrysler 300C  convertible
White/Gauguin       3N572517
Las Cruces, NM
 


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:22:57 -0500
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300G Starter

  

When I restored my H, I had the original starter rebuilt at a reputable shop in Florence, SC. The third time I fired it up, the starter quit. So, instead of spending more money on another rebuild (without a warranty), I went to Auto Zone and bought a "Lifetime Warranty" starter. Thirteen years and 17,000 miles later it's still performing as it did when I first installed it. Just sayin'.

Happy Moparing,

Mark

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From: 'Bob Jasinski'  <mailto:rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx> rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] < <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Fri, Feb 19, 2016 1:12 pm
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300G Starter

Travis,

The starter shouldn't be too difficult to find, as it was used over many years on many vehicles.  Having written that,  I would first consider having my original rebuilt, if you still have it.  There is one issue worth mentioning, that is there were at least two, if not three field windings available for the starter.  You want the heavy duty winding installed, as it provides the most torque for overcoming "heat soak", hard turnover, after the car is run and turned off then restarted..  I fought with the problem for several years until my rebuilder told me I had the light duty winding in it.  He sourced and installed the heavy winding and I haven't had an issue with hard turnover since.  Check for local rebuilders, they may also have the starter if you don't have one.

Bob J

From:  <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?> mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?] On Behalf Of Travis Baker  <mailto:travisbaker4@xxxxxxxxx> travisbaker4@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:11 AM
To: Chrysler300
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300G Starter

  

Hello Group,

Does anyone have a bead on a starter for a 300G?

Travis





 

 

 

 

 

 




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